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    Sep 01, 2009 12:58 AM GMT
    http://www.advocate.com/issue_story_ektid102115.asp

    Excellent Article!
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    Sep 01, 2009 3:24 AM GMT
    C'mon people, read. comment. lol
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    Sep 01, 2009 3:50 AM GMT
    I agree. He's being wildly negligent when it comes to gay rights, not to mention other things. He needs to take a big step to the left, where a Democrat belongs. This idea of bi-partisanship and governing from the center is alienating him on both sides, because no one's really getting what they want.

    The time for rhetoric has passed, now give us something tangible.
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    Sep 01, 2009 3:52 AM GMT
    Epiphany1882 said

    Excellent Article!


    http://www.advocate.com/issue_story_ektid102115.asp
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    Sep 01, 2009 3:58 AM GMT
    jlly_rnchr saidI agree. He's being wildly negligent when it comes to gay rights, not to mention other things. He needs to take a big step to the left, where a Democrat belongs. This idea of bi-partisanship and governing from the center is alienating him on both sides, because no one's really getting what they want.

    The time for rhetoric has passed, now give us something tangible.


    But the journalist was stating that we, as the gay community, need to back him up. I agree with the observation that many are sitting back and not fighting for it. He cant go to the Hill and not have visual support from us. That's what happened when Clinton went in the 90's. We have to show our presence.
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    Sep 01, 2009 4:00 AM GMT
    *Bitch slaps Epiphany* WTF Link.. How not lazy do you think I am? srly!!!!!

    *cuddles lilChaaxy* See, he made it a link *nods*

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    Sep 01, 2009 4:06 AM GMT
    lilTanker said*Bitch slaps Epiphany* WTF Link.. How not lazy do you think I am? srly!!!!!

    *cuddles lilChaaxy* See, he made it a link *nods*

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    Sep 01, 2009 12:24 PM GMT
    I'm actually more disappointed in the gay community.

    What were you expecting? You wanted Obama to throw out DOMA and DADT within the first month? Would that have made the gay community happy?

    Fact is, compared to the United States' many other issues, gay rights are near the bottom at this point in time... where they should be.

    Obamam has said he doesn't want to sign an executive order repealing DADT--I respect that. Repealing DADT by going through Congress first has MUCH more political weight and will make sure the next commander in chief cannot easily reenact the law

    DOMA is much harder especially since the majority in this country disagree with gay marriage.

    Conservatives are just waiting to pounce... they are cheering him on... waiting for him to fail and lose popularity big time with the people.

    If we push too much too soon.... we'll be steamrolled by the social conseveratvies. They have a lot more money than us and are 10 times more organized than us. Social conservtives are united... while nearly half the gay community would rather be clubbing or having sex in some stranger's house than helping to advocate for the gay community
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    Sep 01, 2009 11:44 PM GMT
    I've said all along that all the things that are on the table after all these years must now have us sitting at the table (so to speak). Otherwise, do you really think the others sitting at the table will even have more than a 10 second discussion about them? Look at the far right. They came out the gate the very moment they saw and heard that gay rights were gaining speed. What did this community do? Preach to the choir, complain about the ones who were doing the actual work and then complain some more. Alot of people say that each of us should "Be the change that we seek.". That could be no more true than what is going on right now. It starts with our own apathetic communities and then spread out to the entire state. Grass roots campaign anyone? If every state then sees us, gets it and does it, can Washington really push it aside like they are doing now? Absolute not. And believe me, the measure of just how much we want this will be measured by the number of people that come to Washington October 10th and 11th. Count on it. The revolution you are about to witness will be televised.
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    Sep 04, 2009 6:31 AM GMT
    I don' agree with several of you. Obama all but promised to take on issue that were important to us. "Fierce advocate", etc. And he's completely ignored the issues. Well, no, not ignored, just mentioned in a few speeches catered to LGBT audiences, and then no work has been done. I understand that there are/were bigger issues, but that excuse doesn't last forever. The gay community would not have been as wildy supportive of him if he said during the campaign, "Well look, I sort of care about the LGBT community, so by the end of my second term, when political capitol is not an issue for me, I'll finally take a risk on behalf of all you gay voters and donors." And that seems to be what is really happening.

    The advocates of the DADT repeal don't want him to repeal it by executive order, which is not permanent. They want him to halt the investigations by executive order, while Congress works on the legislative repeal. That's a reasonable suggestion.

    It's not right, in my opinion, to blame the gay community for lack of action. We're not legislators, not Congressmen. We help elect people that should keep their promises and vote with their conscience, not backtrack and worry about what the right-wing will say. We should not have to protest and march to get an iota of action.