Gay flag missing a stripe

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    Dec 08, 2007 11:34 PM GMT
    Rainbow - Red, orange, yellow, green, blue indigo, violet.

    Most of the gay pride flags I see are missing indigo, why?
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    Dec 09, 2007 2:04 AM GMT
    Maybe because "indigo" isn't a real color. Back when the spectrum was being normalized scientifically, there was a strong feeling that there had to be seven colors, since seven in so many ways is a mystical number. But in fact, in true color values, there are really only six.

    Maybe the flag's creator knew this.
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    Dec 09, 2007 2:15 AM GMT
    real color? What makes a color "real?"
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    Dec 09, 2007 2:31 AM GMT
    Wikipedia has an interesting article on this... here is an excerpt followed by the link to the entire article:

    The rainbow flag, sometimes called 'the freedom flag', was popularized as a symbol of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) pride and diversity by San Francisco artist Gilbert Baker in 1978. The different colours symbolize diversity in the gay community, and the flag is used predominantly at gay pride events and in gay villages worldwide in various forms including banners, clothing and jewelry. For the 25th Anniversary of the Stonewall riots held in 1996 in New York city a mile-long rainbow flag was created and post-parade cut up in sections that have since been used around the world.

    Originally created with eight colors, pink and turquoise were removed for production purposes and as of 2006, it consists of six coloured stripes of red, orange, yellow, green, blue, and violet. It is most commonly flown with the red stripe on top, as the colours appear in a natural rainbow.



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag
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    Dec 09, 2007 2:32 AM GMT
    Ahhhh... you were too quick for me, sporty_g!! icon_lol.gif

    Oh well... great minds think alike, eh?
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    Dec 09, 2007 2:40 AM GMT
    Guys, I found this article.

    The rainbow flag, sometimes called 'the freedom flag', was popularized as a symbol of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) pride and diversity by San Francisco artist Gilbert Baker in 1978. The different colours symbolize diversity in the gay community, and the flag is used predominantly at gay pride events and in gay villages worldwide in various forms including banners, clothing and jewelry. For the 25th Anniversary of the Stonewall riots held in 1996 in New York city a mile-long rainbow flag was created and post-parade cut up in sections that have since been used around the world.

    Originally created with eight colors, pink and turquoise were removed for production purposes and as of 2006, it consists of six coloured stripes of red, orange, yellow, green, blue, and violet. It is most commonly flown with the red stripe on top, as the colours appear in a natural rainbow.
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    Dec 09, 2007 2:48 AM GMT
    Is there an echo in here? ... icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 09, 2007 2:51 AM GMT
    Is there an echo in here?

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    Dec 09, 2007 5:27 AM GMT
    Because indigo is a fake color, that's why. There are lots of hearsay stories about the creation of this shady character, but the version I heard was Isaac Newton named 7 colors when investigating the light spectrum because 7 was a more holy number in the Bible than 6, so he just made up an extra color to go in between blue and purple.
    Human eyes have a tough time discerning shades of blue light, so everyone just went along with him.

    See thread on it.

    I thought it was interesting.
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    Dec 09, 2007 5:33 AM GMT
    the gay pride flag was originally 8 colors : hot pink, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo and violet. Hot pink was removed early on because of mass production issues. Indigo was removed later when San francisco wanted to line the parade route with the flag colors. 6 divides in 2 easier than 7
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    Dec 09, 2007 8:53 AM GMT
    Wow... can anyone say "Asperger's"?
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    Dec 09, 2007 3:01 PM GMT
    I want indigo back wahh. I like rainbow flags in my room but I like them to symbolize gay power as well as coincide with my seven chakras. i like to look at rainbows from a spiritual and political perspective.
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    Dec 09, 2007 9:21 PM GMT
    I say the fewer the better. Every time I'm in any GLBT group that has to get any clothing made with a logo (like the SF cycling club, or the Habitat Pride build we just finished) it's always so expensive getting things silkscreened since everyone always wants the GLBT rainbow as part of the logo.

    Bring back the pink triangle, or something. Or let's everyone use the HRC logo; I can afford two colors.

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    Dec 09, 2007 9:26 PM GMT
    Yeah, I like this better:

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    Dec 09, 2007 9:51 PM GMT
    i like the hrc equality flag, but i think the flag just represents gays from a political perspective.

    in the crazy idea that the world accepts gays and we gain all political rights an equal sign flag will make no sense. the rainbow flag is good because it represents love, peace, sexuality and all those things that the founder decided.
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    Dec 11, 2007 7:30 PM GMT
    hrc is also under fire for supporting a version of enda that excludes the "t" in lgbt... i like the seven colors corresponding to the chakras (yep, there's definitely an echo in here). that's how i design alot of stuff, with 7 colors (for the socio-spiritual connotation mentioned above). also, once equality is achieved, the "=" will be outmoded. the rainbow's representation of diversity will always be relevant. for silkscreening purposes (and those with a tight budget), you could always use a lambda in black, but i'm not sure most people would even recognize that anymore.
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    May 01, 2013 4:02 AM GMT
    Revived! WIN.
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    May 01, 2013 4:05 AM GMT
    txguy1605 saidYeah, I like this better:

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    It's simple. It's not complex.

    Although the red version is much more powerful.
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    May 01, 2013 8:09 PM GMT
    txguy1605 saidYeah, I like this better:

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    That's just me icon_smile.gif


    That's the HRC logo, a Washington lobbying group representing only a small slice of gay interests (mostly those of their rich white donor base). It's also a commercial brand that is copyrighted. I think we can do better than that.
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    May 01, 2013 8:12 PM GMT
    I wonder if it's because the flag maker doesn't like the Indigo Girls?

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    May 01, 2013 8:23 PM GMT
    "Indigo is a deep and bright shade of blue"

    I think it's supposed to be "dark blue" while "blue" refers to "light blue".

    So really it's not missing indigo at all. The "blue" in ROYGBIV refers to a light blue color.
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    May 01, 2013 8:28 PM GMT
    there were actually 9 colors oringionally i do beleive but i'm not sure. the gay flag went through like 4 changes before it was the modern 6 colored one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_flag. but indigo was in there but it was just the blue we have now.
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    May 01, 2013 9:31 PM GMT
    There are no "real" or "fake" colors. that's like saying a cake can only have eight slices, so if you slice it in nine pieces, the ninth piece of cake is "fake." Our division of the continuous visual spectrum into discrete colors is absolutely arbitrary. In fact, there are cultures who divide the spectrum into only three colors, and even a known culture that divides it into two colors (corresponding roughly to what we would consider "warm" and "cool" colors).
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    May 01, 2013 9:50 PM GMT
    Are we to the point that we can't think of anything new to talk about? I continue to see postings from years ago....really? I'd like to see some initiative to start a new post rather than digging up the dead!
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    May 01, 2013 9:59 PM GMT
    seekonk saidThere are no "real" or "fake" colors. that's like saying a cake can only have eight slices, so if you slice it in nine pieces, the ninth piece of cake is "fake." Our division of the continuous visual spectrum into discrete colors is absolutely arbitrary. In fact, there are cultures who divide the spectrum into only three colors, and even a known culture that divides it into two colors (corresponding roughly to what we would consider "warm" and "cool" colors).

    So far as "real" is concerned you may be right but from the point of view of color science, there are two kinds of color, each with their own primaries:

    Additive color is color created by mixing together light of two or more different colors. Red, green, and blue are the additive primary colors normally used in additive color system. Additive color is in contrast to subtractive color, in which colors are created by subtracting (absorbing) parts of the spectrum of light present in ordinary white light, by means of colored pigments or dyes, such as those in paints, inks, and the three dye layers in typical color photographs on film.

    The combination of two of the standard three additive primary colors in equal proportions produces an additive secondary color—cyan, magenta or yellow—which, in the form of dyes or pigments, are the standard primary colors in subtractive color systems. The subtractive system using primaries that are the secondaries of the additive system can be viewed as an alternative approach to reproducing a wide range of colors by controlling the relative amounts of red, green, and blue light that reach the eye. ...

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