Portland Catholics Are Sending $ to Fight Gay Marriage In Maine

  • metta

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    Sep 07, 2009 7:48 AM GMT
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    Catholic Church Steps Up Fight Against Gay Marriage

    by Amy Erickson · Sep 06th 2009 ·

    Maine's Catholic leaders are stepping up their efforts to defeat a gay marriage law in November.

    The Roman Catholic Diocese of Portland is asking its parishes to take a special second collection next weekend to help pay for a campaign to use a statewide referendum to reverse a gay marriage law passed by the state
    Legislature.

    The money will go to Stand for Marriage Maine, which is leading the effort to repeal the law allowing same-sex marriage.

    Stand for Marriage also is planning a rally next Saturday at the Augusta Civic Center






    http://www.wabi.tv/news/7468/catholic-church-steps-up-fight-agaist-gay-marriage
  • swimr

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    Sep 07, 2009 12:58 PM GMT
    If religious denominations like the Catholics or the Mormons want to get involved in politics, people should be calling for them to be stripped of their tax exempt status.
  • cowboyathlete

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    Sep 07, 2009 1:30 PM GMT
    swimr saidIf religious denominations like the Catholics or the Mormons want to get involved in politics, people should be calling for them to be stripped of their tax exempt status.
    you are correct.
  • Menergy_1

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    Sep 07, 2009 1:34 PM GMT
    Absolutely agree.....I don't know why this isn't challenged more following the big battle of Prop 8 -- oh,wait -- I do, too many Christian/Mormon narrow-minded people in the USA to take any steps against their religious institutions.


    (Bah, I need more coffee this morning, it seems)
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    Sep 07, 2009 1:53 PM GMT
    I wish there were a procedure to strip them off it. Religious organizations should not be involved in politics, if so, they should lose their status and it should be easy to police this.

    I went to the diocese and wrote them a nice letter. Having been actively involved in the Cleveland diocese and actually a Novice priest, I tried my hardest to present a solid argument all the while being like "OMG JESUS JESUS JESUS". Grr I wish we could report them.
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    Sep 07, 2009 2:09 PM GMT
    Well of course they won't be made to stop, or ultimately fined or lose their status. The Catholic Church lose its tax-exempt status? Never in a million years, even if they ran the Pope for US President, and they know it. That's why they go right ahead and do this.

    And any legal challenge will take years to go through the courts anyway, long after the election and the damage are done. Have you heard of any cases reaching resolution over Prop 8 last November? And yet there are a number of them pending.

    There appears no mechanism to bring an immediate cease & desist order in these instances of religious interference with politics. Even campaign violations by candidates often go unchecked until it's too late. About the most you see is specific campaign ads being pulled, but funding irregularities are almost never stopped cold, taking years to drag through the courts long after the election is over.
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    Sep 07, 2009 2:35 PM GMT
    Millions and millions and millions of dollars to prevent gay marriage. Ironically, the same bunch spending it are the same bunch who won't pay one thin dime in taxes more to help their fellow countrymen (health care, welfare, education, etc.).

    Something, maybe a microbe, has taken over the brains of dozens of millions of Americans. This evil manifestation threatens the world like nothing else.

    Sociologists and psychologists and psychiatrists need to be fighting for blogspace on popular sites to warn the rest of the public.

    Surely, a condition that makes you worry more about your neighbors peepee or woowoo than anything else cannot be considered healthy. I don't think it's just obsession. It must be something else. Something far more evil.
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    Sep 07, 2009 4:42 PM GMT

    Good point Red Vespa!

    "There appears no mechanism to bring an immediate cease & desist order in these instances of religious interference with politics."


    ,,,and we'd really like to know WHY. Yours will never be a free country (and perhaps never really has been) while this kind of thing is going on.

    I think that when a religion does this, they should be punished by removing their tax exempt status for 5 years - to remove it permanently will just make them start meddling more, and now you've lost the stick to beat them with in the future, lol.


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    Sep 07, 2009 9:01 PM GMT
    swimr saidIf religious denominations like the Catholics or the Mormons want to get involved in politics, people should be calling for them to be stripped of their tax exempt status.


    I couldn't agree more. Engage in influencing political action, lose the tax exempt status.
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    Sep 08, 2009 12:26 AM GMT
    Not to be immature or anything (or bitter),

    but the title should read "Some Portland Catholics are douchebags." And the article should then provide links to some ex-Catholic people denunciating Catholicism. Only to be fair.
  • jrs1

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    Sep 08, 2009 12:29 AM GMT
    Pinny saidI wish there were a procedure to strip them off it. Religious organizations should not be involved in politics ...


    " separation of church and state ... " I wish this were actually a reality. I wish as much as one nation, under God, [that is] indivisible could ...
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    Sep 08, 2009 2:44 AM GMT
    The American notion of separation of Church and State is so rudimentary and not consistent. I could be completely bias (which most likely I am) but the 1905 ruling in France (of all places) of La Séparation de l'Etat et de l'Eglise is the ground work for all of French political and educational framework. That is why there is so much drama over the Muslim scarf or burkini worn to public pools. It is literally unfathomable for politics to invoke religion. The country would go nuts whereas in the states we would hang a president or a presidential candidate for not having a faith. What kind of monster would he be? Next you will tell me he is gay!
  • superboy32

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    Sep 08, 2009 2:48 AM GMT
    Please try living out here in utah where I'm from. The Catholics are the least of our worries. These Mormons are out of control. In fact I think Christians are on there way again.
  • metta

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    Oct 13, 2009 9:01 AM GMT
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    Oct 13, 2009 9:02 AM GMT






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    Oct 13, 2009 3:35 PM GMT
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/07/dining/07lobs.html


    Here is an article about Linda Bean, as in L.L. Bean. She is a fundie nutjob who is behind a lot of the funding for the anti-gay referendum.




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    Oct 13, 2009 3:36 PM GMT
    Gay Catholics must be so proud of the church they support. What a bunch of "Gay Uncle Toms"!
  • bmw0

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    Oct 13, 2009 4:01 PM GMT
    These churches have just as much right to spend their money as any other organization. The key is to have a louder voice than they do to contradict what they are saying. Stripping someone of their status for pushing their opinion is silly.

    If you really want to do something to help, donate some money to the HRC or any other number of organizations that are on our side. Stripping anyone of their right to have a voice is un-american.... Just make sure yours is heard in contrast. :-)
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    Oct 13, 2009 4:25 PM GMT
    swimr saidIf religious denominations like the Catholics or the Mormons want to get involved in politics, people should be calling for them to be stripped of their tax exempt status.


    Current tax law allow Churches to support social issues. What they may not do is support individual political candidates for office. Let us not forget that several denomiations supported liberal causes: Civil rights movement, anti-war movements etc.

    The Separation of Church of State prevents the gov't from endosing religion. A frequent debate is does this mean the gov't can support churches as long as it spreads the support across denominations, or does this mean that the gov't is not to show/give support to anything religious (which I happen to believe).

    Links to Americans United for Separation of Church and State
    http://www.au.org/issues/church-politicking/
    http://www.au.org/resources/brochures/religion-partisan-politics-and-tax-exemption/
  • metta

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    Nov 09, 2009 9:09 PM GMT
    MAINERS PROTEST CATHOLIC CHURCH OVER ANTI-GAY MARRIAGE VOTE

    http://www.towleroad.com/2009/11/mainers-protest-catholic-church-over-antigay-marriage-vote.html
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    Nov 09, 2009 9:34 PM GMT
    bmw0 saidThese churches have just as much right to spend their money as any other organization.


    Correct. But should not be exempt from taxation if they choose to dump millions into politics.
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    Nov 09, 2009 9:37 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie said
    bmw0 saidThese churches have just as much right to spend their money as any other organization.


    Correct. But should not be exempt from taxation if they choose to dump millions into politics.


    No representation without taxation LOL!
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    Nov 09, 2009 9:40 PM GMT
    flex89 said
    MunchingZombie said
    bmw0 saidThese churches have just as much right to spend their money as any other organization.


    Correct. But should not be exempt from taxation if they choose to dump millions into politics.


    No representation without taxation LOL!


    Normally, I wouldn't bother replying with just three letters. But,

    LOL!!
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    Nov 09, 2009 9:41 PM GMT
    bmw0 saidThese churches have just as much right to spend their money as any other organization. The key is to have a louder voice than they do to contradict what they are saying. Stripping someone of their status for pushing their opinion is silly.

    If you really want to do something to help, donate some money to the HRC or any other number of organizations that are on our side. Stripping anyone of their right to have a voice is un-american.... Just make sure yours is heard in contrast. :-)


    The church isn't an anyone. As an organization doing tax free business in the US (and they are doing business), they should not have the right to voice opinions like any other organization. They are allowed to operate here through the goodness of the American taxpayer and for no other reason.