Presidential Address

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    Sep 10, 2009 1:00 AM GMT
    So I'm watching, They listen applaud stand and sit. repeatedly! I'm DVR'ing this to watch it again as it's distracting.Then I start to wonder who believes in the speech? I'm constantly in meetings at wrk and I'm wondering how many co-wrkers would be willing to listen if my director gave me koodos or anyone else for that matter at every suggestion or note worthy Idea that's been brought to the table. wouldn't this leave some skeptical and bitter on some level?
  • Webster666

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    Sep 10, 2009 3:23 AM GMT
    Perhaps politics is not your cup of tea...
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    Sep 10, 2009 3:27 AM GMT
    Webster666 saidPerhaps politics is not your cup of tea...

    Nor critical listening. The age of the 10-second attention span. No wonder we ended up with 8 years of Bush. icon_razz.gif
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    Sep 10, 2009 4:20 AM GMT

    I have no prob w/ politics or w/ the current administration. I don't think it's necessary for a standing ovation or for applause for every progressive idea that was mentioned. My attention span is as short as it is long. I watched as I was interested to what he had to say. the point was more about someones credibility who ever they are when they are trying to voice an opinion and set fourth new Ideas and you have people constantly clapping, It almost seems like adolescent behavior in my opinion. How many meetings have you been to where you subject your boss to that behavior every time he/she makes policy changes no matter how great or bad they are?
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    Sep 10, 2009 7:50 AM GMT
    It's unbearable to hear a policy speech WITHOUT applause. Think about it...a speaker talks, and all you hear is crickets and a muffled cough from row seventeen.
  • barriehomeboy

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    Sep 10, 2009 7:53 AM GMT
    That's what a speach in Canada sounds like! Everyone stops clapping and listens politely. They can't get the barnburner speach roll going here, although they'd like to.
  • barriehomeboy

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    Sep 10, 2009 8:01 AM GMT
    God damed why can't I find a hot muscled guy with a cowboy hat like that?
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    Sep 10, 2009 11:15 AM GMT
    It was a 48 minute speech interrupted 47 times with applause - it was entirely too long and it was the same stuff he's been saying the other 20+ times he's spoken publicly on ObamaCare, nothing new or different. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 10, 2009 11:40 AM GMT
    "ha ha"

    I thought it was good. I also think much of the opposition to it has been incoherent babble.
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    Sep 10, 2009 11:50 AM GMT
    oh you know I wuv you JP

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  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 10, 2009 12:18 PM GMT
    The address was good.. speeches like this are always an exercise in cheerleading, but Obama did what needed to be done. I'm glad he
    brought up some of the outragious commentary by the Palin ex govenor.
    We'll see if it makes any difference.
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    Sep 10, 2009 12:44 PM GMT
    jprichva said
    HndsmKansan said the Palin ex govenor..

    Oh, go on, say it. You know you want to.
    The Palin Woman.
    That Palin Wench.
    The Palin Hussy
    La Palinara
    The Moron Minx from Alaska
    Caribou Barbie



    Well as you know, she was referred to as the "Palin woman", but my fellow
    Kansan (friend & client) "HaganF" pointed out it was in poor taste to refer to her that way in print. I settled on the "Palin Governor"... but now that she
    left that post, nothing seems to stand out... maybe the "Palin nut" might be the most appropriate... but "wench" has gone through my mind..

    LOL
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    Sep 10, 2009 1:11 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    jprichva said
    HndsmKansan said the Palin ex govenor..

    Oh, go on, say it. You know you want to.
    The Palin Woman.
    That Palin Wench.
    The Palin Hussy
    La Palinara
    The Moron Minx from Alaska
    Caribou Barbie



    Well as you know, she was referred to as the "Palin woman", but my fellow
    Kansan (friend & client) "HaganF" pointed out it was in poor taste to refer to her that way in print. I settled on the "Palin Governor"... but now that she
    left that post, nothing seems to stand out... maybe the "Palin nut" might be the most appropriate... but "wench" has gone through my mind..

    LOL


    Well there's the Alaskan Moxie

    or how about the Moxie of the North
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    Sep 10, 2009 1:26 PM GMT
    i thought it was the best policy speech he's done, but still had very little new to say and continued the tired meme that makes bipartisanship more important than reform. He did draw a line in the sand with Republicans who are opposing reform on purely political grounds.

    My favorite bullshit: ""I am not the first President to take up this cause, but I am determined to be the last."

    As if. Single-payer health care is inevitable in this country. It won't happen until people are dying on the streets in greater numbers, but it will be the work of another president -- one with testicles (like HIllary) -- to bring that about.

    I also find his argument against a single-payer system -- that it's too extreme a change -- ludicrous. How did we manage to do it with Medicare, then? What he means, I suppose, is that it would be too extreme a change for politicians to give up their lucrative association with the industry. After all, Sen. Baucus wouldn't even allow a single-payer advocate to participate in the hearings his committee conducted.
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    Sep 10, 2009 1:26 PM GMT
    jprichva saidActually, I've always like the word 'doxy'.

    The Frozen Doxy.
    The Northern Succubus.
    The Alaskan Virago. (too bad she's not from Chicago, she'd be the Chicago Virago)


    LOL- you've given too much thought to this icon_biggrin.gif
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    Sep 10, 2009 1:33 PM GMT
    I too thought the "single payer is too big a change" was spineless and pragmatic, but I am not ideologically tied to a government solution either (not suggesting you are either OW). What more could he have said: cross state competition would have been in line with the rest of his proposals to get the market working again. I am increasingly appalled that profit is put ahead of the humanitarian needs of the american people. Capitalism is not evil, but that sort of cynical, amoral profiteering is.

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    Sep 10, 2009 1:53 PM GMT
    However noble the speech, the plan will fail. Ultimately the votes just simply are not there.

    Perhaps that is the strongest testament to the fact we as yet do not live under socialism.
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    Sep 10, 2009 2:20 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidIt's unbearable to hear a policy speech WITHOUT applause. Think about it...a speaker talks, and all you hear is crickets and a muffled cough from row seventeen.


    ....And Joe Wilson screaming "you lie!" icon_eek.gif
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 10, 2009 2:27 PM GMT
    As always, Obama delivered a speech eloquently -- whether it was delivered convincingly is another story.
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    Sep 10, 2009 2:47 PM GMT
    Well, in Parliamentary debate and speeches in the UK it's common to interrupt the speaker with calls of "Hear! Hear!" and other formulaic phrases expressing either approval or disapproval. Different legislative bodies have different customs, and the Joint Sessions of the US Congress have been offering applause, sometimes standing, for at least all of the previous century, and possibly longer.

    Clearly there is party politics at work, the party of the President wanting to show support for everything said, the opposition for little. That's why all Presidents throw in "flag, Mom & apple pie" references to force everyone to clap, especially now that TV cameras are live in the chamber.

    This is as much political theatre & ceremony as it is a functional speech. It is definitely not analogous to a meeting at work. Copies went out before it was delivered before Congress, so Republicans could prepare their response which immediately followed. Key leaders already knew what Obama was going to say, and select media gets copies, too, which they pledge not to divulge before the address.

    Personally, I thought it was a tour de force performance by Obama. He used all his campaign oratorical skills, in a very clear & concise speech. I don't usually listen to these things, no matter who the President is, but I found it masterful, on a difficult & complex subject.