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    Sep 10, 2009 4:55 AM GMT
    Response to President's Health Care SpeechShare

    After all the rhetoric is put aside, one principle ran through President Obama’s speech tonight: that increased government involvement in health care can solve its problems.

    Many Americans fundamentally disagree with this idea. We know from long experience that the creation of a massive new bureaucracy will not provide us with “more stability and security,” but just the opposite. It's hard to believe the President when he says that this time he and his team of bureaucrats have finally figured out how to do things right if only we’ll take them at their word.

    Our objections to the Democrats’ health care proposals are not mere “bickering” or “games.” They are not an attempt to “score short term political points.” And it’s hard to listen to the President lecture us not to use “scare tactics” when in the next breath he says that “more will die” if his proposals do not pass.

    In his speech the President directly responded to concerns I’ve raised about unelected bureaucrats being given power to make decisions affecting life or death health care matters. He called these concerns “bogus,” “irresponsible,” and “a lie” -- so much for civility. After all the name-calling, though, what he did not do is respond to the arguments we’ve made, arguments even some of his own supporters have agreed have merit.

    In fact, after promising to “make sure that no government bureaucrat .... gets between you and the health care you need,” the President repeated his call for an Independent Medicare Advisory Council -- an unelected, largely unaccountable group of bureaucrats charged with containing Medicare costs. He did not disavow his own statement that such a group, working outside of “normal political channels,” should guide decisions regarding that “huge driver of cost ... the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives....” He did not disavow the statements of his health care advisor, Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, and continuing to pay his salary with taxpayer dollars proves a commitment to his beliefs. The President can keep making unsupported assertions, but until he directly responds to the arguments I’ve made, I’m going to call him out too.

    It was heartening to hear the President finally recognize that tort reform is an important part of any solution. But this concession shouldn’t lead us to take our eye off the ball: the Democrats’ proposals will not reduce costs, and they will not deliver better health care. It’s this kind of “healthy skepticism of government” that truly reflects a “concern and regard for the plight of others.” We can’t wait to hear the details on that; we look forward to working with you on tort reform.

    Finally, President Obama delivered an offhand applause line tonight about the cost of the War on Terror. As we approach the anniversary of the September 11th attacks and honor those who died that day and those who have died since in the War on Terror, in order to secure our freedoms, we need to remember their sacrifices and not demonize them as having had too high a price tag.

    Remember, Mr. President, elected officials work for the people. Forcing a conclusion in order to claim a “victory” is not healthy for our country. We hear you say government isn’t always the answer; now hear us -- that’s what we’ve been saying all along.

    - Sarah Palin


    Thank god for her...
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    Sep 10, 2009 5:37 AM GMT
    You must be kidding quoting the woman who saw Russia frm her backyard. If repubicans had the solution so many americans would not be w/out healthcare on this day! You had 8yrs to get it rt and look what you did....Yet you act as if this idea will ruin this country. anything is better than the current policy and worth trying as well.
  • offshore

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    Sep 10, 2009 5:45 AM GMT
    Gay Christian(?) Republicans, Maybe 'g0d' really does have sense of humour.
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    Sep 10, 2009 5:59 AM GMT
    Sarah Palin? You've got to be kidding.

    There's better policy wonks out there, if you are truly conservative. Quote them.

    I love the part about being called names ("liar"). That's a good one. Yes, Ms Death Panel, you're a liar. Fuck civility, you hack.
  • t0theheights

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    Sep 10, 2009 6:05 AM GMT
    I figured there wouldn't be a single valid point in your rant the moment I saw that your profile pic read "Sorry yet?" I was expecting you to be just another brainwashed conservative idealogue who would spout the same tired and repeatedly disproved arguments, recycle the usual republican lies and distortions, and quote the same moronic and deranged conservative "icons" who have no idea what they're talking about.

    But then I said, wait, who knows. This could be someone who isn't brainwashed, someone who actually looked at the issues and can think for himself, who managed to produce a reasonable, substantive argument. Maybe I should give him a chance.

    And so I read it.


    ...


    ...


    Nope.

    Looks like my gut instincts were right after all.

    (And in the end, in spite of the conservative loons with their lies and fear-mongering, an overwhelming majority of Americans still are smart enough to support a strong public option.)
  • Mepark

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    Sep 10, 2009 6:11 AM GMT
    This is who Sara Palin attracts. As bad as it sounds, I put my head on the pillow every night happy knowing some people out there are in agony because Obama is our president.

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    Sep 10, 2009 6:13 AM GMT
    Football1988 saidRemember, Mr. President, elected officials work for the people.

    - Sarah Palin


    Unless they QUIT, right Sarah?

    Give me a break...
  • josh995

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    Sep 10, 2009 6:42 AM GMT
    Football1988 saidResponse to President's Health Care SpeechShare

    After all the rhetoric is put aside, one principle ran through President Obama’s speech tonight: that increased government involvement in health care can solve its problems.

    Many Americans fundamentally disagree with this idea. We know from long experience that the creation of a massive new bureaucracy will not provide us with “more stability and security,” but just the opposite. It's hard to believe the President when he says that this time he and his team of bureaucrats have finally figured out how to do things right if only we’ll take them at their word.

    Our objections to the Democrats’ health care proposals are not mere “bickering” or “games.” They are not an attempt to “score short term political points.” And it’s hard to listen to the President lecture us not to use “scare tactics” when in the next breath he says that “more will die” if his proposals do not pass.

    In his speech the President directly responded to concerns I’ve raised about unelected bureaucrats being given power to make decisions affecting life or death health care matters. He called these concerns “bogus,” “irresponsible,” and “a lie” -- so much for civility. After all the name-calling, though, what he did not do is respond to the arguments we’ve made, arguments even some of his own supporters have agreed have merit.

    In fact, after promising to “make sure that no government bureaucrat .... gets between you and the health care you need,” the President repeated his call for an Independent Medicare Advisory Council -- an unelected, largely unaccountable group of bureaucrats charged with containing Medicare costs. He did not disavow his own statement that such a group, working outside of “normal political channels,” should guide decisions regarding that “huge driver of cost ... the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives....” He did not disavow the statements of his health care advisor, Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, and continuing to pay his salary with taxpayer dollars proves a commitment to his beliefs. The President can keep making unsupported assertions, but until he directly responds to the arguments I’ve made, I’m going to call him out too.

    It was heartening to hear the President finally recognize that tort reform is an important part of any solution. But this concession shouldn’t lead us to take our eye off the ball: the Democrats’ proposals will not reduce costs, and they will not deliver better health care. It’s this kind of “healthy skepticism of government” that truly reflects a “concern and regard for the plight of others.” We can’t wait to hear the details on that; we look forward to working with you on tort reform.

    Finally, President Obama delivered an offhand applause line tonight about the cost of the War on Terror. As we approach the anniversary of the September 11th attacks and honor those who died that day and those who have died since in the War on Terror, in order to secure our freedoms, we need to remember their sacrifices and not demonize them as having had too high a price tag.

    Remember, Mr. President, elected officials work for the people. Forcing a conclusion in order to claim a “victory” is not healthy for our country. We hear you say government isn’t always the answer; now hear us -- that’s what we’ve been saying all along.

    - Sarah Palin


    Thank god for her...



    LOL, Sarah Palin.

    With all due respect, Mrs. I-have-foreign-policy-experience-because-I-see-Russia-from-my-yard Sarah Palin's dumb ass is one of the last people you should be stealing talking points from.

    If I wanted talking points from an uneducated cunt who flunked out of college, I could find one on the streets. Who wrote this for her anyway? Certainly did not come from her.

    In any case, you are complete Obama obsessed troll and should find something more usueful to do with your pathetic existance. Isn't there a town hall rally you should be at? This health care bill should be passed promptly and hopefully our dear communist Obama will force you loons on the right to make use of mental help care.
  • tobyb

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    Sep 10, 2009 7:02 AM GMT
    It's clear Sarah Palin is loving any attention that her falsehoods may bring her. And her statement happily takes any concession by Obama but refuses to offer nothing except opposition to everything entire plan.

    Republicans like her can't run government. They suck up taxpayers' money on wasteful projects, and then try to blame others and prevent any attempt to improve what government does, for fear it will show how ineptly they have acted.

    I believe in Republican values - but their politicians are incapable of actually doing what they say. Instead they offer empty words and no deeds. I choose to make things better and cheaper. They have lost any semblance of "can do" attitudes, and stake much on the failure of United States policy. I have no time for them or "prove it to me" arguments.

  • barriehomeboy

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    Sep 10, 2009 7:14 AM GMT
    So that went well. Your next post is....?
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    Sep 10, 2009 7:56 AM GMT
    I, well, fundamentally disagree with selfish folks, who are I,I,I,me,me,me, and resort to scare tactics and lies to promote their own agenda.

    If we call the fire department, does the fire department say "We need to get your insurance approval first?" Of course not...your house is on FIRE! Your house is DYING. Yet...the GOP allows thousands to die daily by saying....just THAT.

    How did it end up being that our high def tv was worth more than our life?

    In Cuba...universal health care.
    In Pakistan...universal health care.
    In the U.K., guess what? Universal health care.
    In Germany? Universal health care since the 1880s.

    Golly...shouldn't we become a regular country?

    Our health care is 37th? That's not so good.

    How would you feel if you had a son, or daughter, stricken with cancer, and worked at QT, or Wally Mart?

    Do we think so little of each other?
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    Sep 10, 2009 8:01 AM GMT
    Name-calling and temper tantrums seem to define the GOP, who offered nothing on health care reform when they were in power and offer nothing now. Genius.

    Sarah Palin is actually the best thing to ever happen to the Dems because she personifies the ignorance of the Republicans so perfectly.

    There are myriad options to be explored for health care reform. Screaming, shouting and "Hitler-izing" the Pres. is such a pathetic smokescreen to avoid any responsibility on the matter and is clear example of how the GOP is in the pocket of doctors & private health insurers.

    I and countless other Yanks can tell you horror stories of being stuck in County Hospital w/no insurance or being slapped with an outrageous bill for overpriced medical care. $75 for a band-aid?! Please. Doctors & hospitals have been getting away with padding the bills for eons & like any other business, they need to be regulated. It's called checks and balances. That's just common sense.

    Countries we consider third world even have free national health care for their citizens because their medicine is NOT profit-based. In Brazil, for example, motorists do not need to buy car insurance because every driver is automatically covered under a national vehicle insurance plan. Med. grads gain their experience working in the free hospitals before going on to private practice.

    All those fabulous Brazilian plastic surgeons? They're brilliant because they are required to perfect their craft by providing FREE reconstructive surgery to victims of burns, accidents and children with birth defects for at least 2 years before they can work in private cosmetic surgery clinics.

    Why do you think so many foreign doctors want to work in the US (not Canada)? Because of their altruistic need to help others? Our outstanding advanced research? Get real! Money is their driving factor made possible by inflated costs paid for by ever-increasing insurance premiums.

    Currently, we've got a glut of med school grads on waiting lists to do their residencies at the best hospitals in major cities. Why not make it compulsory for them to be farmed out to any regional hospital in the country that needs them to complete their residency program or participate in Doctors Without Borders? I'd feel more compassion for them if they took an active part in resolving this issue.

    Do you think teachers sit around waiting for the right school? No. We go where we are needed and happy to get the work and are often paid the least for it.

    Compulsory field medicine and regulated insurance costs. Just a thought.
  • ASUbusy

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    Sep 10, 2009 9:29 AM GMT
    aw you REALLY need to get outside of Iowa and open your eyes.

    Gay--check
    republican -- WTF?
    Christian--- WWTTFF???
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    Sep 10, 2009 9:34 AM GMT
    barriehomeboy saidSo that went well. Your next post is....?


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    Sep 10, 2009 9:43 AM GMT
    Well, wasn't that special?
  • auryn

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    Sep 10, 2009 9:43 AM GMT
    Who wrote that and ascribed it to her? She's not that eloquent. That insipid, yes, but never has she been that eloquent.
  • GQjock

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    Sep 10, 2009 10:21 AM GMT
    lol ..... You dare to quote Sara Palin to me???? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Are you daft man?

    Let me just tell you one thing
    No Bureaucracy is a good thing but we have had a privatized bureaucracy for decades and its very EXISTENCE has shown that it is the very worst case scenario possible
    Our form of healthcare delivery is an abysmal failure

    Tell that to Sara for me will ya?
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    Sep 10, 2009 12:15 PM GMT
    Football1988 saidResponse to President's Health Care SpeechShare

    Remember, Mr. President, elected officials work for the people. Forcing a conclusion in order to claim a “victory” is not healthy for our country. We hear you say government isn’t always the answer; now hear us -- that’s what we’ve been saying all along.

    - Sarah Palin


    Thank god for her...



    The speech was good, there were a few points that need clarification, but overall he's dealing with the issue head on. Perfection, certainly not, but
    he's making the effort.

    The idea Palin's name would be given credibility with some of the comments she has made makes me sick to my stomach.
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    Sep 10, 2009 12:44 PM GMT
    Sarah Palin, a septic tank of wisdom.
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    Sep 10, 2009 1:13 PM GMT
    I'm not an american and i can't understand how a modern country can be considered modern without a health care system who covers EVERYONE including the poor the unemployed and yes even the illegal imigrants,how can a hospital or a doctor turn down a sick or injured person?? that's not human.icon_eek.gif
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    Sep 10, 2009 1:14 PM GMT
    Football1988 saidThank god for her...


    I and every other Democrat have been saying the same thing for over a year now.
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    Sep 10, 2009 1:27 PM GMT
    hahaha I was reading it and I though (1) did we hear the same speech (2) copy and paste.

    I heard the speech: Obama outlined the problem, which all acknowledge, he then made some suggestions to solve it. They boiled down to making the market genuinely competitive. This is a very right wing solution. Part of that spur to real competition between the insurers to break the monopoly was an insurance option which was public. he then answered some lies about the plan, and talked about money. He finished by framing this as a moral issue: it is not right that such a rich and powerful country should be so primitive and cruel in the way that health care is rationed.
  • Mikeylikesit

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    Sep 10, 2009 1:48 PM GMT
    Folks we are not going to solve anything unless EVERYONE works together. We- This Country- has become so disseminated, we must unite to resolve anything instead of pointing fingers & name calling...LOL
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    Sep 10, 2009 2:12 PM GMT
    Hillie saidYou must be kidding quoting the woman who saw Russia frm her backyard. If repubicans had the solution so many americans would not be w/out healthcare on this day! You had 8yrs to get it rt and look what you did....Yet you act as if this idea will ruin this country. anything is better than the current policy and worth trying as well.


    "...anything is better..." Really! Anything? This constitutes the extent of your counter argument to the specific points she raised? I've got to believe with that passion you have something more intelligent to share to support your views and perspective.
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    Sep 10, 2009 2:19 PM GMT
    This is a doozy coming from the queen of quit and the open sore she calls her mouth:
    "Remember, Mr. President, elected officials work for the people."