Atlanta: doing its best to recapture the crown for Most Puritanical City in America.

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    Sep 12, 2009 10:40 PM GMT
    Never let it be said that Atlanta isn't still the buckle of the Bible Belt.

    Police raided the Atlanta Eagle Thursday night, forcing customers to lie face-down on the floor until all IDs were checked. They arrested most of the bar staff and some dancers (claiming they were unlicensed strippers, which they are not).

    http://www.atlantaprogressivenews.com/news/0508.html

    It's still unclear what precipitated the raid. Police variously say they had received complaints about noise and about illegal behavior, including drug use. (They found no drugs.) Thursday night is "underwear night" at the Eagle, a euphemism for their turning off the lights in a back room for sex on the premises. They didn't arrest anyone for that, as far as I know (and there were undercover cops present before the actual raid).

    Police also raided another bar last week during Black Pride.



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    Sep 13, 2009 12:39 AM GMT
    We just had the 40th anniversary of Stonewall, sounds like Atlanta is 40 years behind. And if this is Georgia's biggest and most progressive city, what is the rest of the state like? I think I'll just stay clear of Georgia for another 40 years.
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    Sep 13, 2009 1:16 AM GMT
    Sounds like Atlanta didn't want Fort Worth, TX to have all of the spotlight.....amazing that the bigots can find their own asses with a floodlight and a search warrant.....For some reason, I am still a bit surprised that this happened in Atlanta....I mean it is almost a "northern" city with all of the transplants, except for the warm weather....hopefully nobody was injured like they were in Ft. Worth.
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    Sep 13, 2009 1:20 AM GMT
    What the hell is going on in my city? I am glad that I moved. I would most likely have been present at Underwear Night because it was fun.

    City hall, etc. is bound and damned determined to kill the nightlife in Atlanta. First, the fucking curfew at 2:30 and 12 on Sunday. To getting rid of the bars in Buckhead. Most of the gay bars except for Bulldawgs, Blake's, and a few others have moved outside of the city.

    The police have much more important stuff to be worried about with the daily killings, the students getting robbed at Georgia Tech, and the mayhem running rampant in the city.
  • Laurence

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    Sep 14, 2009 2:42 PM GMT
    I am amazed this crap still goes on.

    It's 40 years since the Stonewall riots, surely we have learnt something since then and society has moved on?

    Very depressing.
  • Latenight30

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    Sep 14, 2009 2:56 PM GMT
    This is one day after the ass hole Fred Phleps had his group in town.
    Some thing this is connected.
    The Eagle has sat on that site for years. It was also right next door to the Mayors Campain Head Quarters.
    The Eagle has never had any problems in the past. This was a poor witch hunt at best and unfortunately it will blacken an already damaged eye of the state of Atlanta politics.
  • Webster666

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    Sep 14, 2009 8:37 PM GMT
    And, so far, none of the patrons are pressing charges against the police officers' for illegally holding them there at the bar, forcing them to lie face down on the dirty floor, frisking them, etc., etc.

    Until the victims file law suits, this kind of illegal police action will continue.
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    Sep 14, 2009 9:00 PM GMT
    Webster666 saidAnd, so far, none of the patrons are pressing charges against the police officers' for illegally holding them there at the bar, forcing them to lie face down on the dirty floor, frisking them, etc., etc.

    Until the victims file law suits, this kind of illegal police action will continue.


    this was the eagle. how do you know this experience didn't make them all cum in unison?

    in all seriousness, i will be dancing in atlanta on wednesday night, but not at swinging richards. due to problems at the eagle and bj roosters i am going to go by swinging richards to get my adult entertainer's license first, put it in the taint of my underwear, and snap it out at any cops who come to fuck with me at blake's. ASSHOLES!
  • roadbikeRob

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    Sep 16, 2009 9:03 PM GMT
    I am very surprised that this type of anti gay bigotry among Police happened in both Fort Worth and Atlanta. Both are big major cities with diverse populations and growing economies. I guess both Fort Worth and Atlanta still have some ignorant homophobes in their police that they need reprimand and even terminate from public employment. This is totally unacceptable in this modern day and age.
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    Sep 16, 2009 9:11 PM GMT
    Webster666 saidAnd, so far, none of the patrons are pressing charges against the police officers' for illegally holding them there at the bar, forcing them to lie face down on the dirty floor, frisking them, etc., etc.

    Until the victims file law suits, this kind of illegal police action will continue.

    They have submitted complaints now. It's too soon for law suits. Here are some more accounts that have been coming out. Prepare to be disgusted.
    http://www.sovo.com/thelatest/thelatest.cfm?blog_id=27222
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    Sep 16, 2009 9:22 PM GMT
    And it's no surprise that cops and politicians want to take away our guns? Too bad, as those cops were NOT enforcing any laws. They were simply acting as thugs under color of authority, which is exactly what happened in Nazi Germany, and in plenty of areas in the U.S. even today, as this shows.

    What we need if this happens again is another Stonewall. Seriously.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Sep 16, 2009 9:28 PM GMT
    It appears that both Atlanta and Fort Worth are due for a stonewall type rebellion if the brutal, homophobic cops are not dismissed from police force employment which means permanent loss of all earned benefits.
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    Sep 16, 2009 9:37 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidIt appears that both Atlanta and Fort Worth are due for a stonewall type rebellion if the brutal, homophobic cops are not dismissed from police force employment which means permanent loss of all earned benefits.

    There will likely not be any dismissals. There was a decent-sized protest last Sunday at the Eagle and there is a larger one for this Saturday at city hall. From the Facebook Event listing:

    Host:
    Eagle Atlanta Raid
    Type:
    Causes - Protest
    Network:
    Global
    Date:
    Saturday, September 19, 2009
    Time:
    12:00pm - 3:00pm
    Location:
    City Hall
    City/Town:
    Atlanta, GA
    Email:
    jeff@glbtatl.org - dictatorlaura@gmail.com
    Description
    THIS BAR AND NO FURTHER. What happened at the Eagle stops here and now. The Atlanta community at large will not stand for raids on any venue without substantiated complaints, proper protocol in carrying out investigations and, if warranted, justified arrests.

    In lieu of official APD statements that directly address the lack of connection between previous alleged illegal activity and the charges that eight staff were arrested for on September 10th, and with the blessing of the Eagle Atlanta, as a community we will be protesting outside City Hall.

    Expressed concern by the community as a whole is that this ill-orchestrated raid violated the civil rights of patrons in the bar on the evening of September 10th. No patrons were arrested for the alleged previous complaints of illegal activity.

    Tentatively, the date will be this Saturday, pending approval of a permit request. Check back here and the Eagle Atlanta Raid Facebook group for updates and information as it develops about this case and the protest.

    WHAT DO WE WANT WITH THIS PROTEST?

    The Sunday community rally was meant to address misinformation. The patrons and staff of Eagle Atlanta deserved a platform to tell their first-hand accounts of what happened that evening, who was arrested, and what the charges were.

    Our intent is to show the City of Atlanta and the APD the vast number of community members who are concerned about what happened & that we want answers to valid questions:

    -Is typical protocol for these type of charges normally a citation and not arrest?
    -Was this high number of APD officers the best use to address such minimal charges with Atlanta crime concerns skyrocketing?
    -Why was intervention by City Council candidates necessary for the release of the staff after 19 hours in jail on no bond?
    -Why does APD have an LGBT liaison if that position is not utilized?
    -Who is to be held accountable for the formal filed complaints of mistreatment?
    -Where has Mayor Franklin been and why hasn't she made a statement?
    .........................................................................
    Jeff's Email: jeff@glbtatl.org

    Laura's Email: dictatorlaura@gmail.com

    JZ's Email: justinziegler@aen.org

    Adam's e-Mail: adam.may@pobox.com

    Also--a good write-up by local blogger and columnest (oh, and HBO sex show host) Michael Alvear: http://www.mikealvear.com/2009/09/15/anatomy-of-a-southern-sex-panic-the-raid-on-the-eagle/
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    Sep 16, 2009 9:39 PM GMT
    Some of you other guys might recall the Eagle being raided in the past, but I think this was a first. It is very surprising.

    Backstreet, which has since closed, originated as a gay bar and became very hetro. It was known for drug sales. Not unusual for Backstreet to be raided in those days.

    Anyone remember the club called Texas Drilling? It was located off Highland just before you cross Virginia Avenue. The place was truely wild. The entire Atlanta bar scene is very very quiet these days. More reason to believe the raid was more harassment than enforcement of city or county code.
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    Sep 16, 2009 9:40 PM GMT
    zeebyaboi saidAnd it's no surprise that cops and politicians want to take away our guns? Too bad, as those cops were NOT enforcing any laws. They were simply acting as thugs under color of authority, which is exactly what happened in Nazi Germany, and in plenty of areas in the U.S. even today, as this shows.

    What we need if this happens again is another Stonewall. Seriously.


    Emphasis on THUGS. This is a city of thugs; always has been, always will be (at least in our lifetimes). It's a shame too, because I think Atlanta has so much potential to be the cosmopolitan destination it tries to be and I want to like the city. But it falls way short with assonine behavior such as this. My personal visits and experience with the nightlife leave much to be desired (along with the ridiculous curfew), and now with these reports surfacing, it's certainly not on my destination radar any longer.
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    Sep 16, 2009 9:53 PM GMT
    I know this is tangental, but why does Georgia (as in the whole state) have a curfew law?

    Is there some nighttime horror everyone needs to protect themselves from? I've yet to hear about any Georgian vampires in my news gathering.
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    Sep 16, 2009 9:58 PM GMT
    It looks like this was a drug raid, which would explain having everyone on the floor to be frisked. Unless they lacked probable cause to get the warrant this isn't an abusive use of police power. If they were raiding them due to unlicensed stirppers then having all the patrons lie on the floor was unneccesary.

    Why didn't the newspaper have a copy of the warrant? Did they actually interview the owners or the police spokesman? If not, why not?

    And let's be honest. Drug dealing at gay bars is hardly a shocking occurrance.
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    Sep 16, 2009 10:11 PM GMT
    Looking for drugs, eh? At least they could be creative and claim there was a Vietnamese slave sex ring running in the back of the place such, their excuse is so retro. As I've said before, discriminatory laws (i.e. marriage amendments), hate crimes, and police terror against gays are all connected. Ugh.

    Wasn't aware of any curfew. Haha, is everyone in Atlanta 12? Sometimes I think this country we've got is seriously fucked.
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    Sep 16, 2009 10:17 PM GMT
    I take it the crime rate in Atlanta is soooooo low the officers have nothing better to do. It is not just about discrimination but a complete and utter misuse of public officers. Think about it ,your Atlanta taxes are going to pay for this shit. I'd be curious to look at a crime blog for that time and see if there was a serious violent crime, burglary or break in happening where the police were truly needed.
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    Sep 17, 2009 1:50 AM GMT
    NickoftheNorth saidI know this is tangental, but why does Georgia (as in the whole state) have a curfew law?

    Is there some nighttime horror everyone needs to protect themselves from? I've yet to hear about any Georgian vampires in my news gathering.

    He misspoke. There's no curfew. They stop serving alcohol at 2:30, but that's not completely unusual even in many larger cities.
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    Sep 17, 2009 1:58 AM GMT
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    NickoftheNorth saidI know this is tangental, but why does Georgia (as in the whole state) have a curfew law?

    Is there some nighttime horror everyone needs to protect themselves from? I've yet to hear about any Georgian vampires in my news gathering.

    He misspoke. There's no curfew. They stop serving alcohol at 2:30, but that's not completely unusual even in many larger cities.


    I generalized curfew as closing time. And for a city that strives to be as cosmopolitan as Atlanta, a closing time that early is weak.
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    Sep 17, 2009 2:18 AM GMT
    hockeytiger saidIt looks like this was a drug raid, which would explain having everyone on the floor to be frisked. Unless they lacked probable cause to get the warrant this isn't an abusive use of police power. If they were raiding them due to unlicensed stirppers then having all the patrons lie on the floor was unneccesary.

    Why didn't the newspaper have a copy of the warrant? Did they actually interview the owners or the police spokesman? If not, why not?

    And let's be honest. Drug dealing at gay bars is hardly a shocking occurrance.
    Not likely about drugs. Eagle is a bearish levi/leather bar .. not exactly the druggie type. One of the articles above suggest it was about sex ..
    http://www.sovo.com/thelatest/thelatest.cfm?blog_id=27222Police released records stating that undercover officers saw sex acts taking place at the bar during two visits prior to last Thursday's raid. During the raid, eight employees were arrested on business violations, including some for providing adult entertainment without a license by dancing in their underwear, but no one was arrested on sex or drug charges.
    Georgia has some pretty backwards puritanical laws .. a few years back some owner of adult novelty stores went to jail for selling sex toys. Also Georgia has other blue laws like no selling alcohol on Sundays.

    The other bar mentioned above(backstreet) that got closed (supposedly because drugs) was really all about real estate. After they put the owner of the lot out of business, they were forced to sell it and then it was torn down for condos!! real estate was doing well back then.

    Atlanta government is very corrupt.
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    Sep 17, 2009 4:04 PM GMT
    hockeytiger said
    And let's be honest. Drug dealing at gay bars is hardly a shocking occurrance.


    Actually, this is not unique to gay bars; there are many straight bars where drugs are dealt as well.

    I'm wondering if this was the only bar that has been raided.

  • roadbikeRob

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    Sep 17, 2009 8:38 PM GMT
    If both Atlanta and Fort Worth want to be considered progressive major cities with great opportunities and big city diversity, then I highly advise political leaders in both cities to reprimand and even go as far as termination of the police officers responsible for this atrocious act of harrassment. I am very well aware that both Georgia and Texas are very conservative states but there is no legitimate excuse for these gay bar raids accept ignorance accompanied by acts of threatening harrassment. These cops were acting like vicious thugs and I doubt that anyone in his or her right mind does not want their hard earned tax money wasted on unlawful, unnecessary bullshit like these raids. This just proves to you that urban America is not all what it is cracked up to be for gay Americans. How many more such acts of harrassment against gays, blacks, Jews, Arabs etc. are occuring in major cities and not being reported. Many police departments are still filled with ignorant, bigoted assholes who still want to go back to the "good old days" by continuing their thuggish, threatening behavior against certain groups of people. I think that I will avoid both Georgia and Texas until authorities in both states come to their senses.
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    Sep 17, 2009 9:20 PM GMT
    Closing time is generally a state mandated law, not city... every state i have drank in is 2 or 230... i think thats reasonable.