The Secret - The Law of Attraction

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    Dec 10, 2007 3:41 PM GMT
    Has anyone read either of these books or anything on the subject matter? I find it very interesting, that we can tap into certain vibrational frequencies and influence our lives. Millions believe it in and millions believe it is a crock of shit, where do you lie?
  • Artesin

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    Dec 18, 2007 9:29 AM GMT
    I've listened to some of it, coming to the conclussion that people manifest their own destinies. The secret isn't fake and it isn't real, it just is. The fact of the matter is that if people act in a decent optimistic manner it will draw things to them whereas if they act like an asshole everyone will just step away. The cd itself seems repitive and dronish, the same thoughts and ideas are repeated again and again with only a change of aim and little else. Seems as if it only teaches you to think by triggering the mind to function abstract thoughts on different thoughts instead of releasing cut and dry statements that stop you in your tracts. It's been stated through the centuries within various naturilist and religious books, funny that people only take notice now.
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    Dec 18, 2007 10:01 AM GMT
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  • Laurence

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    Dec 18, 2007 12:10 PM GMT
    Ignoring Dak's image there (is that liver? I love liver).

    I was interested in the Secret and read a little about it. One good review said it's basically going on about positive thinking ie. if you think positively then good things will happen and you're life will be better. This is basic common sense. The danger with the Secret was that it promised things that are really not in the control of the believer, no matter how positive you are (avoiding major illnesses etc).

    There is a large industry in self-help. It is in the industry's interest to keep repackaging the same basic things to con people into parting with their money.

    However there's a forum on the Secret somewhere with a few positive posts.

    Lozx
  • Alan95823

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    Dec 18, 2007 1:42 PM GMT
    The Secret cracked me up. Not because I scoff at the idea of manifesting your reality, but because they called it "The Secret" when it's been done a lot before. I think the Church of Religious Science has classes on how to manifest your reality, using what they call "spiritual mind treatments"... we Wiccans just call them "spells".

    Some people swear by it, some people scoff at it. Some don't believe in it because they tried and it didn't work for them. I know one woman who says she has an "agreement with the universe" about getting easy parking spaces, usually halfway down the row near the door. It works for her, so she believes in it.
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    Dec 18, 2007 2:17 PM GMT
    sorry laurence google didn't seem to have too many images of shit in a crock.
  • DiverScience

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    Dec 18, 2007 3:48 PM GMT
    It describes people as magnets.

    If people were magnets, Mother Theresa would have been raped and brutally murdered.

    It says the law of attraction is why cheerios cluster in the bowl. That's what we call "surface tension."

    And worst, it essentially blames the victim. If you're not doing well it's because you aren't doing it right. Its your fault if your sick, poor, etc.



    It's a ridiculous excuse for a self-help atrocity. It's popular because it's lazy. Because it amounts to, "I want and the universe will give me, without actual effort."
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    Dec 18, 2007 4:08 PM GMT
    Well I think that it goes a little too far. I don't think you can blame a victim for attracting an atrocity. I do think though we do tune into certain vibrational frequencies and our thoughts create our lives.

    One can be rich as heck and be miserable, one can be poor and be happy, its all in the mind.
  • DiverScience

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    Dec 18, 2007 4:11 PM GMT
    I think that is an oversimplification spoken from a point of privilege.

    It's easy to be miserable when your rich. But being truly poor gives you little time to be happy. You're just exhausted at best.

    Yes, beyond the point where you have enough money not to worry about the essentials, there is a definite mental aspect to it. But it is definitely not, "all in the mind" as much as I wish it were.
  • Nudista

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    Dec 18, 2007 4:15 PM GMT
    It can be a very valuable tool, it can also mean nothing to you and therefore completely useless. Like so many things in life, its what you make of it.

    Some people have the ability to make use of everything in life and use it to their advantage. Able to thrive in life with a simple screwdriver. Others seek tools that magically do things for them...the "here I am, just fix me" mentality.

    A transmission is useless without the power of the engine...
    In the end we decide whether this concept works for us or not.

    One mans opinion.
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    Dec 18, 2007 4:15 PM GMT
    I believe in stuff like this to a moderate extent, but I'm careful to weave it into other things I believe and have been taught (typical Unitarian Universalist). I believe that people create their own luck without even realizing it. I believe you can influence outcomes based on the positive energy you put into the situation, even if it is positive energy in a passive sense. I believe a little bit in karma, and sort of a "pay it forward" type of dynamic. I believe that if your mind focuses on what you want, then of course you're more likely to achieve it. I also think all this positive energy stuff works very subtly and that, of course, other more realistic factors are at play. All I know is it cannot hurt.

    That being said, I've never read or seen The Secret. But I've heard plenty about it. I imagine it is old common sense with sensationalistic new packaging. I've also seen "What the bleep Do We Know" and "I Heart Huckabees". I've read a couple of books, notably, "The Four Agreements". It's all, more or less, the same basic concept.

    Unfortunately I have a couple of friends who seem to have sunk themselves into The Secret and it is kind of creeping me out. When I tell them of a particular problem or concern, they talk to me as if I don't "get it" and start spewing Secret-ish rhetoric. One big problem I have with Secret-ites is that they totally diminish whatever difficult situation might be going on and tell you to simply think differently. Like I said, keeping your chin up is good and can be helpful in tough spots, but the way some of these folks talk seems a bit simplistic and delusional.

    It's fun to watch Madonna and other celebrities find a new religion and suddenly sink themselves into it. It is scary when it is one of your own friends.
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    Dec 18, 2007 4:35 PM GMT
    How can thinking positively about one's life *ever* be a bad thing? The "secret" to The Secret is anything but a secret. It's common sense. Yet, properly packaged, the author has managed to use the law of attraction to attract a pile of cash. So, I guess it's working for her!

    The only people I know who are into this book/movie are people whose lives are something of a mess. They're all struggling in one way or another, yet I haven't seen any positive results come of their Secret obsession. It reminds me of the poor sending in their last few bucks each month to the TV preacher.

    Everyone wants an easy answer.
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    Dec 18, 2007 4:38 PM GMT
    well, I can't help myself but straight guys' asses are my little secret. I adore watching them in the locker room at the gym...

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    Dec 18, 2007 4:50 PM GMT
    The stuff in that book ain't nothing new!
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    Dec 20, 2007 11:37 PM GMT
    RuggerUnfortunately I have a couple of friends who seem to have sunk themselves into The Secret and it is kind of creeping me out. When I tell them of a particular problem or concern, they talk to me as if I don't "get it" and start spewing Secret-ish rhetoric. One big problem I have with Secret-ites is that they totally diminish whatever difficult situation might be going on and tell you to simply think differently. Like I said, keeping your chin up is good and can be helpful in tough spots, but the way some of these folks talk seems a bit simplistic and delusional.


    Exactly. I find people a lot of times use "The Secret" as a faux spiritual means to not deal with their deeper issues. Why deal with your inner rage, your rampant insecurities, or your jealousy issues if you can have "the secret" to life handy in your back pocket? The movie bothers me because I feel like it creates this silly notion that you can simply have something if you want it bad enough - and gives very little attention to the idea that we're often held back by our subconscious fears and desires. There's also something incredibly lazy/greedy about this manifestation craze - it's not always about what you want but more about what's intended for you.

    I also don't like the constant quest to liken metaphysics to physics (i.e. the law of attraction). That is why it is called "meta"-physics - because they are not the same! To equate the two to one another is to undercut both: science is a system of empirical thought that cannot be bent and twisted to support what is unprovable; and spirituality is far too powerful and elusive to be boiled down to science. Ken Wilbur wrote a great book about how so many of the world's greatest scientists were also mystics - and yet thoroughly opposed the race to join the two.
  • Paradigm_Shif...

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    Jan 01, 2008 1:18 AM GMT
    My boyfriend is very much into a lot of positive thinking / self-help authors and he got me interested in The Secret. We ended up buying the DVD and I downloaded the unabridged audiobook. We both watched and listened to it pretty regularly for about a month. We even made "Vision Boards" and everything lol. (Little embarrassed...)

    After getting all worked up and excited about it we both ended up kinda falling off the wagon. In the end I think its just too simplistic. Too much shit happens in real life for you to have attracted EVERYTHING. Also, they talk about physics briefly in the The Secret, but they never offer any real proof.

    I think I got so into it because I grew up in a very conservative Christian home and I ended up walking away from all religion. The Secret sounded like something I could get into, but in the end I think spirituality is much more complicated than just focused thought...
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    Jan 01, 2008 1:28 AM GMT
    This stuff isn't only crap, it's vicious crap.

    It's a reworking of est (anyone my age has to remember est).

    I had an experience with them some years ago. They ran something called "The Holiday Project" in New York. Basically, young single people with nothing else to do would go around to area hospitals and visit with the inpatients--who, over the holidays, are always the sickest of the sick.

    After going around to the wards and distributing small gifts (combs, socks, etc.) and talking for a bit with the patients, we retired to a conference room that the hospital provided so that we could nibble snacks and "process" the experience.

    "Processing" consisted of sitting around a conference table, and each participant was expected to stand up and tell the group what he or she had gotten from the experience. The first man stood, shyly beaming, and related that he had spent all his time in the oncology ward.

    "I talked to them about their cancer," he said. "I think I really made them understand how their negative vibes are what caused them to be sick." And he sat down, looking like a puppy waiting to be petted and praised.

    My turn was next. "I think that is maybe the most callous thing I've ever heard," I said, and slammed the door as I left.

    Well, what the hell, I was 22.
  • Squarejaw

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    Jan 01, 2008 1:35 AM GMT
    If visualization worked, I'd be having sex with Jake Gyllenhaal right now!
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    Jan 01, 2008 1:54 AM GMT
    Good ole Werner Erhard and his blend of Scientology and "positive thinking" called est. He was basically exiled when allegations of incest arose, but his work lives on as Landmark Education. It's still as cultish as ever.

    The Secret is, as many have noted, just recycled New Age magical thinking. It reminds me, too, of Louise Hay, whose work was popular during the early years of the AIDS epidemic, before anyone even knew what was causing the disease.

    Louise said it (and all other disease) was a product of negative thinking. Many desperate people with AIDS bought into this crap. I had several friends who paid big bucks to go to her place in California, and get covered with crystals while reciting "positive affirmations."

    In Houston, when a friend involved in a local Louise Hay "support group," was in the hospital dying, his colleagues came into his room and literally told him his impending death was demonstrative of the failure of his thinking. My friend, thank God, got enraged and sent them out of his room.

    That is something New Age bliss ninnies routinely miss -- the absolute cruelty of their blame-the-victim mentality. Since life is inevitably painful for everyone, it's also why nobody remains under the spell of this crap very long.
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    Jan 01, 2008 1:56 AM GMT
    "If visualization worked, I'd be having sex with Jake Gyllenhaal right now!"

    Perhaps your visualization is not detailed enough. I think you need to describe the scene from start to finish with complete details.
  • irishkcguy

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    Jan 01, 2008 3:01 AM GMT
    There is some common sense truth to it I think, that we attract what we deserve seems like a logical conclusion. I try to be a positive person and I really don't like to be around negative people, for example. The thing that bothers me the most about the video (I haven't read the book and won't -- I read Tuesdays With Morrie and vowed to never read a best selling self-improvement book again) is the lack of documentation for all the things they claim. They interview a lot of people with impressive titles under their names but never really do much to prove the points they are making. The other thing I don't like about the presentation is it almost seems to be suggesting if you wish for something you will get it.
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    Jan 01, 2008 3:15 AM GMT
    As I recall, you must wish for whatever it is, but you must also act as though its arrival is a forgone conclusion.

    I've heard ads on the radio for a book by one of the "experts" in the film. The ad is addressed to people who have tried the Secret but still aren't getting what they want. You just need to buy one more book....
  • irishkcguy

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    Jan 01, 2008 3:25 AM GMT
    There was a great American Express commercial that featured the cast of 30 Rock. Somebody was trying to explain to Kenneth the page that some people didn't celebrate Christmas. They mention that Jane Krakowski's character practices The Secret, then there is a jump cut to her and she says with great determination "I will marry George Clooney."
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    Jan 01, 2008 4:32 AM GMT
    Surveys show that self-help authors make most of their money from self-help books. The Secret trotted out a dozen or so people who have specialized in it. In other words, they never actually succeeded at anything except selling books (and other services) purporting to contain authoritative information about how to succeed.

    Why is that?

    Nevertheless I still believe there are mental skills which can be cultivated and enable us to practice positive thinking, optimism, physical and mental health, emotional self direction and intelligence, and get the outcomes we need or want, and just be happier.
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    Jan 01, 2008 5:22 AM GMT
    The universe is a place full of totally random acts. This scares the liver out of people, so they cook up notions about how they can influence events with their thinking, or how bits of rock a zillion light years away can influence your personality. It's all the same crap, packaged over and over.

    What I don't get is why people don't see that the randomness of the universe is not frightening, it's LIBERATING. It is what makes me hop out of bed early each morning to see what's going to happen next. It's not knowing who you will bump into, who might suddenly one day make that inexplicable leap from acquaintance to dear friend, or from friend to lover. It's tbe not knowing that keeps it all fresh. If I could influence events with my awesome Secret-fueled think power, it would be like skipping to the end of the book. Who wants that?