Which has the larger/more active gay male community? Dallas or Houston?

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    Sep 14, 2009 11:44 PM GMT
    I think this has already come up (possibly multiple times), and my search revealed nothing. Does anyone happen to know where I can find threads that might discuss this issue? I'd like to hear the pros and cons of both places.
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    Sep 15, 2009 12:13 AM GMT
    If you get this thread going you will never hear the end of it. Houstonians and Dallasites will insist to the bitter end that their city is cooler, has more hot guys, has more style (Dallas), has more down-to-earth friendly people (Houston) ad infinitum.
    It's enough to say that both cities have large and active gay communities and in both an out-of-town visitor will find it easy to have a very good time.
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    Sep 15, 2009 12:16 AM GMT
    Yeah, totally subjective, but my own experience in both cities tells me that Houston has more gay places and is more accepting. Not that anywhere in Texas is terribly gay friendly, but I give Houston the nod.
  • dantoujours

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    Sep 15, 2009 2:11 AM GMT
    I lived in Dallas for a few years and dated a guy in Houston. I'd say there isn't much difference. Both have very active gay communities.

    If I were you I'd look at other factors (climate, housing costs, job market in your field, arts/culture/higher education, etc. etc.) Both cities have their advantages and disadvantages.

    Since Houston's economy is tied more toward petroleum and exports, their economy seems to have higher highs and deeper crashes than Dallas.
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    Sep 15, 2009 5:02 AM GMT
    Dallas.....i live here
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    Sep 15, 2009 5:03 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidYeah, totally subjective, but my own experience in both cities tells me that Houston has more gay places and is more accepting. Not that anywhere in Texas is terribly gay friendly, but I give Houston the nod.


    Having lived in Houston for nearly two years, now, I can tell you that the gay community here is alive and well. I haven't lived in Dallas, but as compared to Austin, where I lived for eight years, Houston has a very distinct 'gayborhood', i.e., the Montrose District. While it's no Castro, it does offer many of the same amenities. Although I can't confirm it, I've heard that Houston has something like the third largest gay population in the US, but it's only the fourth largest city in the country. Kind of surprising, given that Houston was ground zero for the precedent-setting Lawrence v. Texas case that led to a Supreme Court ruling banning all US sodomy laws.

    While many areas outside of the 'loop' are blighted, the central core is thriving and cosmopolitan. Rice and St. Thomas Universities are nearby, and the impressive downtown theater district is a stone's throw away. You'll find very few fast food joints in Montrose, but there is plenty of eclectic dining and quirky shopping. The bar scene is OK, and it's generally concentrated within a 4-6 block area -- great for bar hopping, or Mardi Gras-style street festivals.

    Yes, the summer weather can be oppressive, but mornings and evenings are pleasant. Fall and spring are idyllic, and while the winters are generally mild, the winter rains can be chilly. We even got a couple inches of snow, last winter, but that's a pretty rare occurrence.
  • jrs1

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    Sep 15, 2009 7:31 AM GMT

    I was told Houston ... but .. it's ... um ... Texas.
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    Sep 16, 2009 1:37 PM GMT
    This is a great topic. I've been seriously thinking of getting out of Austin and not sure were to go. Dallas or Houston could be a good stopping point until I decide were to go outside this state.
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    Sep 16, 2009 2:20 PM GMT
    Fort Worth adds to the overall community size of the Dallas area. But it was also the site of that ugly raid on a gay bar this past June, exactly on the 40th anniversary of Stonewall. There are numerous stories about it online, but I like this one from the Los Angeles Times.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jul/06/nation/na-gay-bar-raid6

    At the end of August the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission (TABC) had fired 3 of its agents because of the raid. The Fort Worth PD, whose officers accompanied the TABC agents that night, still has taken no action against the 6 police involved.

    http://www.statesman.com/news/content/region/legislature/stories/2009/08/29/0829tabc.html
  • rnch

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    Sep 16, 2009 3:00 PM GMT
    i have been told that Austin is the gay mecca of texas?
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    Sep 16, 2009 3:12 PM GMT
    dantoujours said

    Since Houston's economy is tied more toward petroleum and exports, their economy seems to have higher highs and deeper crashes than Dallas.


    I believe that Dallas is actually the #1 energy city, whereas Houston has both oil/gas and petrochemical. Both cities have worked to diversify after the oil bust of the 1980's. It's worth noting that, comparatively speaking, Houston has weathered the 'Great Recession' rather well. I believe the same can be said about Dallas, although I'm not as up to speed on their economic trends. I think it's fair to say that both cities follow similar economic ebbs and flows.
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    Sep 16, 2009 3:24 PM GMT
    I think they both have their strengths. It's also my opinion that if a person who is familiar with both cities is being honest, they would have to give them about an equal score but due to very different reasons.

    I've lived in Houston and am living in Dallas now. Although, I'm usually in Houston at least 2 times a month and some months more often. If I were going to pick one over the other coming from another state, I'd consider the climate, the work, what I wanted in area of gay community and lifestyle aspects important to me.

    It's kind of ridiculous to say any city here is better. I've found It's all just a matter of personal taste and how determined you are to be happy and make yourself a great life where you are.



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    Sep 16, 2009 3:47 PM GMT
    TexDef07 saidIf you get this thread going you will never hear the end of it. Houstonians and Dallasites will insist to the bitter end that their city is cooler, has more hot guys, has more style (Dallas), has more down-to-earth friendly people (Houston) ad infinitum.
    It's enough to say that both cities have large and active gay communities and in both an out-of-town visitor will find it easy to have a very good time.
    You raise a very good point. There is a simmering rivalry between Dallas and Houston that has absolutely nothing to do with sexual orientation.

    As for economy, many of you are not aware that Houston (in addition to the petrochemical industry) also has the biggest complex of medical facilities in the nation.
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    Sep 16, 2009 3:49 PM GMT
    Hard to say. They're both trapped in a ghetto.
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    Sep 16, 2009 3:54 PM GMT
    Jack!
    You know I LIVE in Houston.
    I may not know too much about Dallas, but I've been living in the gayborhood in H-Town. I've got the lowdown on Houston. What do you want to know? icon_wink.gif
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    Sep 16, 2009 7:30 PM GMT
    dancerjack saidI think this has already come up (possibly multiple times), and my search revealed nothing. Does anyone happen to know where I can find threads that might discuss this issue? I'd like to hear the pros and cons of both places.
    Houston FTW

    what what?

    gotta represent that third coast y'all.
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    Sep 16, 2009 7:33 PM GMT
    jrs1 said
    I was told Houston ... but .. it's ... um ... Texas.
    and you're a black guy.

    Captain%20Obvious%20evil%20scientist%202

    we're not all gun toting backwoods rednecks, you know.
  • jarhead5536

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    Sep 16, 2009 8:16 PM GMT
    Disclosure - I am a native Houstonian. We used to go to Dallas on the weekends when I was in college, and I found the gays there to be pretentious, cliquish, arrogant and dismissive of their brothers to the south. They were more attractive in that obviously pretty circuit boy way though. I find that Houston men are friendlier and more down to earth, but a little less buffed/shaved/coiffed than the boys in Dallas. There are exceptions of course in both cities.

    Culturally, I feel that Dallas likely has an inferiority complex when it comes to Houston. Dallas probably has more money, but Houston has world class opera, ballet, museums, symphony and general high culture offerings that Dallas lacks (although Dallas' high culture is perfectly respectable). Houston in turn has an inferiority complex when if comes to Dallas, as Dallas has the more cosmopolitan, hip and urbane reputation, although it is a far smaller city. Dallas' climate is better, which in and of itself may tip the scales in their favor. Houston is absolutely uninhabitable from the end of May until the end of October...
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    Sep 16, 2009 8:17 PM GMT
    jarhead5536 saidDisclosure - I am a native Houstonian. We used to go to Dallas on the weekends when I was in college, and I found the gays there to be pretentious, cliquish, arrogant and dismissive of their brothers to the south. They were more attractive in that obviously pretty circuit boy way though. I find that Houston men are friendlier and more down to earth, but a little less buffed/shaved/coiffed than the boys in Dallas. There are exceptions of course in both cities.

    Culturally, I feel that Dallas likely has an inferiority complex when it comes to Houston. Dallas probably has more money, but Houston has world class opera, ballet, museums, symphony and general high culture offerings that Dallas lacks (although Dallas' high culture is perfectly respectable). Houston in turn has an inferiority complex when if comes to Dallas, as Dallas has the more cosmopolitan, hip and urbane reputation, although it is a far smaller city. Dallas' climate is better, which in and of itself may tip the scales in their favor. Houston is absolutely uninhabitable outside unless naked and covered in some sort of clothing made of ice from the end of May until the end of October...


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    Sep 16, 2009 8:33 PM GMT
    rnch saidi have been told that Austin is the gay mecca of texas?


    Austin is the artistic mecca of Texas, not necessarily the gay mecca. Austin is THE place to be for the young, artsy, hip, and progressive in Texas (an oasis of sapphire blue politics in a blood red state). This kind of culture is by definition extremely welcoming of gay people, but the community there, while not insignificant, is negligable in size compared to the real estate and populations of Oak Lawn and Montrose...
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    Sep 16, 2009 8:37 PM GMT
    jarhead5536 said
    rnch saidi have been told that Austin is the gay mecca of texas?


    Austin is the artistic mecca of Texas, not necessarily the gay mecca. Austin is THE place to be for the young, artsy, hip, and progressive in Texas (an oasis of sapphire blue politics in a blood red state). This kind of culture is by definition extremely welcoming of gay people, but the community there, while not insignificant, is negligable in size compared to the real estate and populations of Oak Lawn and Montrose...
    yeah AusTx is more for the artsy fartsy music crowd.


    sucks to be a musician up there though because EVERYONE goes there to get famous.

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    Sep 16, 2009 8:40 PM GMT
    RuggerATX saidHard to say. They're both trapped in a ghetto.


    Which, IMO, has its advantages. LGBT folks are well integrated throughout greater Austin (well, perhaps with the exception of Georgetown and points north), but other than Fourth St., there isn't really any central gay hub. We also found it incredibly difficult to form lasting friendships in Austin. Within a few months after moving to Houston, though, we officially had ourselves a 'posse', which persists to this day. Not to imply that Austinites are flakes...

    So, while I love Austin, Houston has been far more welcoming. I have no basis for comparison with Dallas, but jarhead's depiction echoes much of what I've heard about our northern neighbor.
  • ShawnTX

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    Sep 17, 2009 1:26 AM GMT
    Umm...Houston (because I'm here, of course)
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  • cowboyathlete

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    Sep 17, 2009 1:33 AM GMT
    Ehhh when you have seen one gay bar you have seen them all.
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    jarhead5536 said Austin is the artistic mecca of Texas, not necessarily the gay mecca. Austin is THE place to be for the young, artsy, hip, and progressive in Texas .

    Basically true but at some point we all have to grow up and get real jobs.
    For that I'd give Houston the edge. It's incredibly open and welcoming to newcomers. It's also easier here than anywhere else to be entrepreneurial and fast-forward your career.
    As long as you can stand the climate.