Gay Marrage. My thoughts...

  • bmw0

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    Sep 15, 2009 4:02 PM GMT
    There are basic rights at stake here. I have been talking about this with my super conservative parents. I have gotten some arguements from them, which are plausible.. but i think i have diffused them well.

    -The definitin of marriage says between a man and a woman.
    Well to this i say that definitions change. There is a country song called "I Miss Back When" that i quoted to them. "back when a screw was a screw." I also brought up the word fag. How it used to mean cigarette. And how gay used to mean happy. Point being, definitions of words change and evolve.. this one will do the same.

    -Religion
    The fact of the matter here is that any religion is by no means required to recognize any marriage. Because of this being both my mother and step fathers third marriage, the baptist church to which they belong does not recognize that they are married. Therefore they do not have to recognize mine either. However some religions do, so why does one religious group trump any other and their beliefs. There is a separation of church and state for a reason. And for that matter, should athiests not be able to marry either?

    -Marriage was meant for pro creation, and god made adam and eve..not adam and steve.
    Well thats funny because god made me to. In my opinion pro creation is out of hand. How do you know that being gay isn't gods version of population control?

    -Being gay is a choice, you choose that and these are the consequences.
    No, being gay is a preference of orientation, as simple for me as not liking chinese food You know Mcdonalds has a menu for a reason. Different people prefer different things. The choice is deciding weather to live your life as a lie and trying to pretend that you love a woman, or being happy and accepting yourself as gay and embracing it. Would the family rather i lived a lie? or be honest...

    -Whats next, a man can marry a horse?
    Good god, you have got to be kidding me. A horse is not able to conciously decide weather or not it would want to be in a relationship with a person. A human being can. We are talking about two people who care for eachother wanting the same rights as straight couples have. I havent seen a talking horse since Mr Ed. Come on now.

    I get heart broken when i hear of people losing their homes to a persons family because they dont have the legal ground to keep after their partners death. Wills are challenged all of the time, and the only way for that not to happen is to issue legal marriage equality for every person. If you can add to any of these points please do. I'm sure there will be more discussions on this topic and any new fresh points would be welcomed.

    Thank You!

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    Sep 15, 2009 4:10 PM GMT
    Hi BMW and welcome to the forums icon_biggrin.gif

    The situation in the USA is sad as so much of public life feels it has to report to the churches. the arguments used against gay marriage are not coherent outside of the evangelical or catholic frameworks of revelation which produce them. Sadly people feel that god has told them to push their views on everyone else. This they call "separation of church and state".

    I moved back to Europe in part because of this.

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    Sep 15, 2009 4:19 PM GMT
    bmw0 saidThere are basic rights at stake here. I have been talking about this with my super conservative parents. I have gotten some arguements from them, which are plausible.. but i think i have diffused them well.

    Some good arguments you used. To the one about marriage being for pro-creation, you might add: then post-menapausal women should not get married, or any straights who can't have children. And should married straight couples split when they become elderly, since their child-bearing days are over, and any kids they once had are grown and moved away?
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    Sep 15, 2009 4:22 PM GMT
    Hi bmwO,

    Thanks for posting your comments and the experiences you are having with your parents. I have to praise you and them for at least engaging in the conversation, despite your differences.

    I used to be a big proponent of civil unions for gay people as a step towards full legal marriage rights sometime in the future. I no longer feel this way.

    I say.........full legal marriage rights NOW! Gay people deserve the same spiritual and legal recognition of their union like everybody else.

    Separate but equal is inherently unequal.
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    Sep 15, 2009 4:22 PM GMT
    lol, we're married. Now a non -issue in Canada. Hmm, I'll correct that to say no a celebrated issue in Canada. We were the only two gay people at our ceremony, which was 30 people, including us two.

    Perhaps you can use us and Canada when speaking with your parents.

    The sky hasn't fallen, we haven't been 'smoted', and the success rate of these marriages (gay) in Canada has been pretty impressive so far.

    In 5 years about 10,000 marriages and two divorces.


    -Doug of meninlove

    PS welcome to Realjock!
  • jrs1

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    Sep 16, 2009 2:12 AM GMT

    oh, dear ... I think he's on to something. I'd be certain to say that your sentiments might actually be shared amongst many. icon_smile.gif
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    Sep 16, 2009 7:17 PM GMT
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    Lostboy saidThe situation in the USA is sad as so much of public life feels it has to report to the churches. the arguments used against gay marriage are not coherent outside of the evangelical or catholic frameworks of revelation which produce them. Sadly people feel that god has told them to push their views on everyone else. This they call "separation of church and state".

    I moved back to Europe in part because of this.

    Hah. You moved back to Europe because some cute British lad promised you his ass.


    Not true. He´s Dutch.
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    Sep 16, 2009 7:39 PM GMT
    There are no merits for banning gays to marry. Most if not all of the arguments are religious..fortunately I am not religious so they can go sell crazy somewhere else.

    Who says marriage was meant for pro-creation? Alot of couples don't have kids and some even can't..what now .. ban them too?

    I don't know if being gay is a choice or genetics or whatever..i have as much choice as your parents have being straight.

    A man cannot marry a horse nor can a man marry his 10 year old cousin. The difference is that a horse and a 10 years old are not capable of making an independent choice or understand the ramifications of those choice..and i'm not a horse.

    There are no reasons, none except those religious finatics who want to live in heaven for ever..i hope they get what they want cause forever is a LONG LONG time..a blow job that last for 100000 billions years is still tooooo long.
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    Sep 16, 2009 8:04 PM GMT
    One more thing..i might get some flame for this. I really don't care if its called marriage.. AS long as we inherit the same rights, previlidges and responsibilities as marriage. We should start our own traditions, our own festivities (no white bridal gowns needed, at least for me)..our own way..
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    Sep 16, 2009 8:17 PM GMT
    Lostboy said
    jprichva said
    Lostboy saidThe situation in the USA is sad as so much of public life feels it has to report to the churches. the arguments used against gay marriage are not coherent outside of the evangelical or catholic frameworks of revelation which produce them. Sadly people feel that god has told them to push their views on everyone else. This they call "separation of church and state".

    I moved back to Europe in part because of this.

    Hah. You moved back to Europe because some cute British lad promised you his ass.

    Not true. He´s Dutch.

    Ah, the Dutch! We have a good friend who's from the Netherlands, spent several weeks with us over Christmas 2008, may again this year. And we hope to get over there, where my partner has stayed before, but not me. The most lovely gay guy, giving me a very positive impression of the Dutch. It may also help that I have Dutch ancestors myself, and my great grandfather bore the name of Van Winkle in this country. icon_biggrin.gif
  • bmw0

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    Sep 21, 2009 5:51 PM GMT
    Thanks for the input! Let me know if you think of any others. icon_biggrin.gif