Sherlock Holmes

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    Sep 16, 2009 4:10 PM GMT
    For years I have neglected the works of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, and never onced picked up a Sherlock Holmes mystery, that is until yesterday. I read A Study in Scarlet and absolutely loved it. To think that someone could figure out so much from the little things that regular people miss is astounding to me. So naturally I have moved on to the second book The Sign of Four and have just read that Holmes is a drug addict, cocaine and morphine. This seems somewhat against the grain for such a character. Anyways are Holmes and Watson gay? They never really speak of an attraction to women. Atleast not so far.
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    Sep 16, 2009 4:49 PM GMT
    PrinceOfSerenity saidAnyways are Holmes and Watson gay? They never really speak of an attraction to women. Atleast not so far.


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    Sep 16, 2009 6:09 PM GMT
    holmes definitely- no str8 man could be that smarticon_razz.gif
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    Sep 16, 2009 6:10 PM GMT
    PrinceOfSerenity said...Anyways are Holmes and Watson gay? They never really speak of an attraction to women. Atleast not so far.

    I read every Sherlock Holmes short story & novel when I was 13, in a "complete" collection my parents got me for Christmas. I eventually replaced it years later, because I had worn it out, and needed a new copy as I continued to reread the stories, always as a bedtime relaxer.

    Some months ago an RJer gave us a coded puzzler to decipher. I solved it first under 15 minutes, using the exact same methods Holmes did in "The Adventure of the Dancing Men."

    Dr. James Watson did get married, and eventually moved out of Baker Street. But he later moved back in, without much of an explanation. Arthur Conan Doyle was never very good at providing a lot of background on these characters, and what there was could be contradictory, especially regarding Watson. Nothing gay was really present in the lives of these gentlemen of the late Victorian-Edwardian period.

    Drug addiction was supposedly used by Doyle to help turn the public against Holmes, at a time when he was getting tired of having to pump out the short stories in installments for a periodical called "The Strand." The addiction also helped to mold this image of Holmes having an obsessive personality, a man so compelled to solve crimes that when none presented themselves, he had to drug himself to survive the idle periods. Holmes says virtually those very words himself.

    I'm glad you like them, they gave me a great deal of pleasure. And while I'm not Holmes myself in my observation skills, and our modern world not lending itself to his quaint techniques, I still like to observe closely and surprise my companions with my correct conclusions about other people.
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    Sep 16, 2009 6:42 PM GMT
    I have read every story over and over for the past 40 years.
    Watson was married. He left Baker Street, but came back after his wife died.
    There is one story where Holmes is confounded by a woman, and because she is even cleverer than he, he seems to be smitten. After that he referred to her as "That Woman".
    Holmes was way beyond us mere mortals, and so involved in his brainy pursuits that normal human appetites don't apply to him.
    There is a series of TV productionsicon_biggrin.gif of most Holmes stories starring Jeremy Brett that is really good.
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    Sep 16, 2009 7:18 PM GMT
    Loveit loveit loveit
    It's funny how in many (or most?) of mistery novels you always find the "confirmed bachelor" and his partner: Sherlock & Watson, Poirot & Capt Hastings, Nero Wolf...
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    Sep 16, 2009 7:24 PM GMT
    when you have read the books watch these

    [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_Holmes_%281984_TV_Series%29#Episodes[/url]

    they are presently on youtube and are great

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    Sep 16, 2009 8:36 PM GMT
    Me and my ex use to cuddle in a cold dead Michigan winter watching an old black and white Sherlock Holmes movie starring Basil Rathboune. When he visit me in Malaysia in 1992 , he bring a whole collection of VCD of Sherlock Holmes. However, now with a DVD technology , I cant no longer view it. It to bad they dont sell any DVD version of Sherlock home here.

    Some of my favourite, House of Fear, Hound of the Baskerville, Holmes Faces Death and a few more I cant remember.
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    Sep 16, 2009 8:48 PM GMT
    The Basil Rathbone films were great, I remember one, I think it was called the Voice of Terror.

    Wasn't strictly true to Conan Doyles original idea, the film was set in the early 1940's and was a war propaganda film.
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    Sep 16, 2009 10:14 PM GMT
    There isn't a shred of Canon Doyles work that i haven't read. I don't know about them being gay though.
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    Sep 16, 2009 10:31 PM GMT
    I just finished my umpteenth re-read of the whole series... Used to be my favorite travel book when I was training around Europe..

    The absence of women and Watson's wife is probably simply in order to keep it simple. There are ample examples of Watson's attention being caught by handsome women. In Holmes case it was probably more owing to the calibre of his brain and his very self-focuses way of living that excluded women.

    So glad you're enjoying those wonderful books ans stories!

    Any fellow O'Brian addicts out there?
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    Sep 16, 2009 11:33 PM GMT
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    Sep 17, 2009 12:42 AM GMT
    I had trouble getting into the Jeremy Brett TV Brit series, despite it's authentic production quality. He was a bit too eccentric at times for me. And he got way too heavy (eventually dying prematurely of a heart attack), would have been better if he'd stayed like he'd been as the romantic lead "Freddy" in the movie My Fair Lady. That series had 2 different Watson's, I like Edward Hardwicke in the role best, the son of the late actor Sir Cedric Hardwicke.

    At least Brit versions treat Dr. Watson as competent, if not up to Holmes demanding standards, as compared to the comic relief approach of the 1930s-40s Hollywood movies with Nigel Bruce in the role. I still like Basil Rathbone as Holmes best, but not the later movies themselves, when virtually nothing was true to Doyle, and the setting made contemporary. A waste of a great opportunity to use an actor perfect for the part.
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    Sep 17, 2009 12:50 AM GMT
    In the book I read, which had a collection of short stories, Watson is married. I dont really care if they're gay or not, I dont choose my reading material based on the sexualities of the characters.
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    Sep 17, 2009 1:16 AM GMT



    Ah! great thread topic! just ... ah! nerdxcore heaven!

    it's elementary, my dear watson ...
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    Sep 17, 2009 1:17 AM GMT
    Actually there was a movie version in 1970, The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes, in which an alleged gay relationship between Holmes & Watson is played for laughs.

    They've both just attended a Russian ballet in London, and the ballerina has invited Holmes to her dressing room. The ballet's manager translates for her, and informs Holmes she wants him to father a child with her, due to his superior brain. In the meantime, Watson is onstage for a cast party in which he has too much champagne.

    Holmes is appalled by the idea and tries to get himself off the hook. So he tells them that he and Watson are gay lovers. He then departs, but Watson insists on staying behind himself, so he can dance with the ballerinas. But the manager informs the dancers that Watson doesn't like women, and you can watch what happens next. A little long, but only way to understand & appreciate it.