Questions about Mesa, Az.

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    Sep 16, 2009 6:05 PM GMT
    I just visited Mesa for the first time on a businees trip. I was struck by the multitude of walls between personal and business properties. Some walls just on one side. Some around a couple sides. Some surrounding the property.

    I am curious as to why so many walls. If the walls surrounded everyone property, I would assume that people just wall-in their property.

    And also cement block seems to be the building material of choice. That really makes a notable architectural statement. Is there a reason when people build most everything out of cement block out there?

    Oh, and I also got to see my first gated trailer park! As we drove along first I saw this high wall (plastered over so I cant say it is cement block underneath). Then we came to this wide driveway leading up to this huge fancy gate. I expected some sort of grand gated community. But when I saw thru the gate.....it was a trailer park! ....a gated trailer park!!!! .... icon_eek.gif
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    Sep 16, 2009 6:17 PM GMT
    And you didn't stop by and say hello whyyyyy again, gramps? icon_lol.gif

    As for the walls, I dunno...privacy and at least the illusion of safety, I'd imagine. There are plenty of less savory little bits and pieces of town, after all. And the cinder block/stucco look is probably simply cheap, less burnable than wood, and less ugly than chain link. But really, someone who's been here more than two months should probably chime in.
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    Sep 16, 2009 6:22 PM GMT
    I asked my friend a similar question when I was in Phoenix regarding the cinder block walls instead of fences. I was told that it holds up better in the harsh conditions and that a wall like that is better for keeping out dangerous desert dwellers - snakes and whatnot.
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    Sep 16, 2009 6:39 PM GMT
    Its cheap building material.

    People are from all over the country here and have no interest in knowing their neighbors. Plain and simple.

    Mesa, Phoenix and Basically the WHOLE Valley of the Sun are filled with gated trailer parks. Theyre especially full in the winter time because of the snow birds.

    The city my parents live in that is 45 minutes south has the population double during the winter time due to the snow bird factor.

    My favorite is Leisure World.

    Gag.

    Howd you get out of Mesa alive? Its the land of Morman.
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    Sep 16, 2009 7:34 PM GMT
    zdrew saidAnd you didn't stop by and say hello whyyyyy again, gramps? icon_lol.gif

    As for the walls, I dunno...privacy and at least the illusion of safety, I'd imagine. There are plenty of less savory little bits and pieces of town, after all. And the cinder block/stucco look is probably simply cheap, less burnable than wood, and less ugly than chain link. But really, someone who's been here more than two months should probably chime in.

    I will let you know the next time I am in the area. I didnt know that Mesa, Tempe, Phoeniz, Scottsdale....and now Glendale are all part of one big urban area.

    From the dining room on the top floor of the hotel, I could see Scottsdale, the Camelback mtns, the Sedona mtns (hey, now I know where Minwax's Sedona Red woodstain name comes from), and Superstition mtns. Tempe and Phoenix were over to the left he told me.

    I quizzed the Dining room attendant about the geology of the place since the mtns are not connected and would not be the result of plate tectonics that I could see.....he googled it and told me about it being an ancient ocean and with the volcanoes.
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    Sep 16, 2009 7:36 PM GMT
    Timberoo saidI asked my friend a similar question when I was in Phoenix regarding the cinder block walls instead of fences. I was told that it holds up better in the harsh conditions and that a wall like that is better for keeping out dangerous desert dwellers - snakes and whatnot.

    I thought about the possibility of protection from animals....but...hello....you left 3 sides of your property open....so that did totally work. Many of the walls were too short for privacy purposes.
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    Sep 16, 2009 7:37 PM GMT
    JP85257 saidIts cheap building material.

    Cheap is what I really thought.....and tasteless. Really ugly. But plaster it over and make it look like adobe....no problem with that. ... icon_biggrin.gif ... But I was told Mesa wasnt the best part of the area, too.
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    Sep 16, 2009 7:39 PM GMT
    Next time you are out there, have dinner at Banderas in Scottsdale. I loved it.

    I also like touring Talesin West, the Frank Lloyd Wright compound.
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    Sep 16, 2009 7:39 PM GMT
    Caslon12000 said
    JP85257 saidIts cheap building material.

    Cheap is what I really thought.....and tasteless. Really ugly. But plaster it over and make it look like adobe....no problem with that. ... icon_biggrin.gif ... But I was told Mesa wasnt the best part of the area, too.


    You were lied to about that. Scottsdale/Tempe/Phoenix are the places to be.
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    Sep 16, 2009 7:57 PM GMT
    JP85257 said
    Caslon12000 said
    JP85257 saidIts cheap building material.

    Cheap is what I really thought.....and tasteless. Really ugly. But plaster it over and make it look like adobe....no problem with that. ... icon_biggrin.gif ... But I was told Mesa wasnt the best part of the area, too.


    You were lied to about that. Scottsdale/Tempe/Phoenix are the places to be.

    I was told Phoenix was dangerous. Scottsdale was nice and where the money is.
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    Sep 16, 2009 8:03 PM GMT
    Timberoo saidNext time you are out there, have dinner at Banderas in Scottsdale. I loved it.

    I also like touring Talesin West, the Frank Lloyd Wright compound.

    Thanks for pointing that out, timmy. I will definitely like to see that.

    BTW, you look so much older in that new pic with the cap. I didnt recognize you.
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    Sep 16, 2009 8:04 PM GMT
    Caslon12000 said
    JP85257 said
    Caslon12000 said
    JP85257 saidIts cheap building material.

    Cheap is what I really thought.....and tasteless. Really ugly. But plaster it over and make it look like adobe....no problem with that. ... icon_biggrin.gif ... But I was told Mesa wasnt the best part of the area, too.


    You were lied to about that. Scottsdale/Tempe/Phoenix are the places to be.

    I was told Phoenix was dangerous. Scottsdale was nice and where the money is.
    There are certain dangerous parts. It IS a big city. Mesa acutally has a higher murder and crime rate than Phoenix.

    Scottsdale IS nice and the money is there. Its really nice where I live. I dont live in the hoitsy toitsy rich part, but its nice none the less.
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    Sep 16, 2009 8:05 PM GMT
    Caslon12000 said
    Timberoo saidNext time you are out there, have dinner at Banderas in Scottsdale. I loved it.

    I also like touring Talesin West, the Frank Lloyd Wright compound.

    Thanks for pointing that out, timmy. I will definitely like to see that.

    BTW, you look so much older in that new pic with the cap. I didnt recognize you.



    i better change it
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    Sep 16, 2009 8:11 PM GMT
    Timberoo saidNext time you are out there, have dinner at Banderas in Scottsdale. I loved it.

    I also like touring Talesin West, the Frank Lloyd Wright compound.

    There are FAR better places than Banderas to go to. In fact I think they are closed now due to the economy.
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    Sep 16, 2009 8:12 PM GMT
    JP85257 said
    Timberoo saidNext time you are out there, have dinner at Banderas in Scottsdale. I loved it.

    I also like touring Talesin West, the Frank Lloyd Wright compound.

    There are FAR better places than Banderas to go to. In fact I think they are closed now due to the economy.


    I was there about 3 years ago I think? I thought the food was great and the waiters were cute.
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    Sep 16, 2009 8:25 PM GMT
    Caslon12000 said
    I will let you know the next time I am in the area. I didnt know that Mesa, Tempe, Phoeniz, Scottsdale....and now Glendale are all part of one big urban area.

    From the dining room on the top floor of the hotel, I could see Scottsdale, the Camelback mtns, the Sedona mtns (hey, now I know where Minwax's Sedona Red woodstain name comes from), and Superstition mtns. Tempe and Phoenix were over to the left he told me.

    I quizzed the Dining room attendant about the geology of the place since the mtns are not connected and would not be the result of plate tectonics that I could see.....he googled it and told me about it being an ancient ocean and with the volcanoes.


    You gotta go hiking in the Superstitions next time you're down (if it's during the cooler seasons). I don't remember the name of the trail or the mountain, but there are some trails in the Superstitions that take you right past an ancient volcanic cone called the Devil's Pinnacle (or something like that). Awesome hiking, if you're into geology.
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    Sep 16, 2009 8:58 PM GMT
    jprichva saidI lived and worked in Mesa for 4 months in 1978.

    From what you all are saying, I gather it hasn't changed much. It was a dry town then---not just desert-arid, but also there were no bars. You had to go into Scottsdale, Tempe, or Phoenix to get a drink. They used to boast that they had the largest Mormon population outside of Utah. Some of us didn't think that was anything to boast about. But even then it was a low-rent, trailer-parky kind of town.

    Maybe that's why the restaurants are closed on Sunday. We had a heck of a time finding a place to eat. Altho I was surprised that the locals thought driving more than 10 minutes was a real imposition.
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    Sep 16, 2009 9:00 PM GMT
    jprichva saidI lived and worked in Mesa for 4 months in 1978.

    Who the hell can remember what they did for 4 months back in '78 ... icon_rolleyes.gif

    From what you all are saying, I gather it hasn't changed much. It was a dry town then---not just desert-arid, but also there were no bars. You had to go into Scottsdale, Tempe, or Phoenix to get a drink. ... I couldnt tell where one stopped and another one began.
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    Sep 16, 2009 9:06 PM GMT
    If you can swing staying out there for a weekend, I'd recommend going up to Sedona and then visiting Jerome.
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    Sep 17, 2009 12:57 AM GMT
    Caslon, I was born and raised in Phoenix and moved to Los Angeles in 1980. One of the main reasons that most structures are made of concrete or cinder block is for comfort, It is cooler in the HOT HOT summers ,and keeps you nice and TOASTY in the cold of Winter.
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    Sep 17, 2009 1:29 AM GMT
    Phoenix is awesome! Great infrastructure. Beware of Mesa / Gilbert....Mormon nuts galore, and they're nasty.... if you don't join, you're out.

    Loved my five years in PHX / Ahwatukee.
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    Sep 17, 2009 1:33 AM GMT
    You think mesa is bad.Come to Tucson. It sucks here!!!!
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    Sep 17, 2009 2:18 AM GMT
    lenoxx saidYou think mesa is bad.Come to Tucson. It sucks here!!!!

    Oops ... I will spend about a week in Tucson, I think.
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    Sep 17, 2009 2:23 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidGreater Phoenix is very modern city... In the 1980's there was wooden fences, but Phoenix decided to have to cinder block walls to make it look stronger and modern... Mesa is not that great city lol

    cinder block does not a stronger/modern appearance make. It is nasty. Suitable only for basements or structural building and then faced with brick or stucco or something....anything! ....paper mache for god's sakes....anything but bare cinder block.... oh mon dieu! .....Anybody who can stand the sight of cinder block outside of a basement or a warehouse is a godless heathen.
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    Sep 17, 2009 3:06 AM GMT
    Here, neighborhoods have them around them, but they are stucco'd lol, crazy desert nomads