OK Phemt*** they've listened*** New $$$ Coin*** No more in God we trust**

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    Sep 16, 2009 6:27 PM GMT
    Ok you've gotten your wish - well partly at least

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/dollarcoin.asp
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    Sep 17, 2009 12:06 AM GMT
    Um, how? If you read the full entry, you'll note that "In God We Trust" has moved back to the front of $1 coins from 2009 onward.

    So, for 2 years, a small number of coins that most people will never use in circulation had the phrase phemt objects to stamped on the edge, rather than on the front; this placement was already obsolete as the time of the thread's posting. And this mean he's partially gotten his wish?
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    Sep 17, 2009 12:19 AM GMT

    Well if he grows his own produce, makes his own clothes, rides his bike instead of driving, and uses rocks and sand hills to entertain himself.....he won't need to use money as much.


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    Sep 17, 2009 12:38 AM GMT
    MSUBioNerd saidUm, how? If you read the full entry, you'll note that "In God We Trust" has moved back to the front of $1 coins from 2009 onward.

    So, for 2 years, a small number of coins that most people will never use in circulation had the phrase phemt objects to stamped on the edge, rather than on the front; this placement was already obsolete as the time of the thread's posting. And this mean he's partially gotten his wish?


    ok i admit - i didn're read the whole article
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    Sep 17, 2009 1:11 AM GMT
    Why care about this one way or the other? It's meaningless -- what the Supreme Court refers to as "ceremonial deism." It's every bit as pointless as the Masonic symbols on the dollar bill.

    Do the Brits care about "Dieu et Mon Droit?' Do the French really want equality and fraternity?

    Don't we have more pressing concerns than a phrase stamped on the coinage?



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    Sep 17, 2009 2:29 AM GMT
    Wow a topic in my honor icon_smile.gif I knew about this and MSUbionerd told it like it isicon_wink.gif
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    Sep 17, 2009 2:33 AM GMT
    I am glad they mentioned some historical fact - that "in God we trust" was only added in the 50's (during the whole McCarthy witch-hunt era). The original our founding fathers put in place was "E Pluribus Unum" - much better = "out of many one" I think everyone could benefit from the notion that we can be different but still come together.
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    Sep 17, 2009 2:40 AM GMT
    I thought "In God We Trust" was added on U.S. Currency after the Civil War. The logic being that the war was God's punishment for leaving God out of the Constitution. The "One Nation Under God" was added to the Pledge of Allegiance during the 1950s to show that the US is not a Godless country -- like the Soviets.
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    Sep 17, 2009 2:42 AM GMT
    "...change in the Pledge of Allegiance occurred on June 14 (Flag Day), 1954 when President Dwight D. Eisenhower approved adding the words "under God". As he authorized this change he said:

    "In this way we are reaffirming the transcendence of religious faith in America's heritage and future; in this way we shall constantly strengthen those spiritual weapons which forever will be our country's most powerful resource in peace and war."
    http://www.homeofheroes.com/hallofheroes/1st_floor/flag/1bfc_pledge.html
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    Sep 17, 2009 2:46 AM GMT
    Selective quotes from US Tresury website:
    http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.shtml


    "The Congress passed the Act of April 22, 1864. This legislation changed the composition of the one-cent coin and authorized the minting of the two-cent coin. The Mint Director was directed to develop the designs for these coins for final approval of the Secretary. IN GOD WE TRUST first appeared on the 1864 two-cent coin.
    Another Act of Congress passed on March 3, 1865. It allowed the Mint Director, with the Secretary's approval, to place the motto on all gold and silver coins that "shall admit the inscription thereon." Under the Act, the motto was placed on the gold double-eagle coin, the gold eagle coin, and the gold half-eagle coin. It was also placed on the silver dollar coin, the half-dollar coin and the quarter-dollar coin, and on the nickel three-cent coin beginning in 1866. Later, Congress passed the Coinage Act of February 12, 1873. It also said that the Secretary "may cause the motto IN GOD WE TRUST to be inscribed on such coins as shall admit of such motto."



    "A law passed by the 84th Congress (P.L. 84-140) and approved by the President on July 30, 1956, the President approved a Joint Resolution of the 84th Congress, declaring IN GOD WE TRUST the national motto of the United States. IN GOD WE TRUST was first used on paper money in 1957."
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    Sep 17, 2009 2:47 AM GMT
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    ok i admit - i didn're read the whole article


    *facepalm*
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    Sep 17, 2009 2:50 AM GMT
    ActiveAndFit saidI am glad they mentioned some historical fact - that "in God we trust" was only added in the 50's (during the whole McCarthy witch-hunt era). The original our founding fathers put in place was "E Pluribus Unum" - much better = "out of many one" I think everyone could benefit from the notion that we can be different but still come together.


    "In God We Trust" was approved as the National Motto in the 1950s. Replacing "E Pluribus Unum". The pharse "In God We Trust" appeared on coins shortly after the Civil war.
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    Sep 17, 2009 2:52 AM GMT
    phemt saidI thought "In God We Trust" was added on U.S. Currency after the Civil War. The logic being that the war was God's punishment for leaving God out of the Constitution. The "One Nation Under God" was added to the Pledge of Allegiance during the 1950s to show that the US is not a Godless country -- like the Soviets.
    It was added as the "national motto" in the 1950's the addition to the coin before that was after the civil war, but it was sporadic.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_TrustIn God We Trust is the official motto of the United States and the U.S. state of Florida. The motto first appeared on a United States coin in 1864 during strong Christian sentiment emerging during the Civil War, but In God We Trust did not become the official U.S. national motto until after the passage of an Act of Congress in 1956.[1][2] It is codified as federal law in the United States Code at 36 U.S.C. ยง 302, which provides: "In God we trust" is the national motto".
    However it was not mandatory until:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust#Use_on_currencyLegislation approved July 11, 1955, made the appearance of "In God We Trust" mandatory on all coins and paper currency of the United States.[6]
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    Sep 17, 2009 2:53 AM GMT
    That clears up the history icon_smile.gif I thought the coin thing was "offical" after the Civil war. You are right it wasn't "offical" till 1950s. Isn't the internet great icon_wink.gif
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    Sep 17, 2009 2:54 AM GMT
    I like the dollar coins. I get $100 each time a new president comes out. ...save $25 and spend the rest.
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    Sep 17, 2009 3:08 AM GMT
    phemt saidThat clears up the history icon_smile.gif I thought the coin thing was "offical" after the Civil war. You are right it wasn't "offical" till 1950s. Isn't the internet great icon_wink.gif
    Wikipedia covers its pretty well, it was indeed present before the 1950's but wishy washy and there was actually other mottos considered. I think what is interesting is that people seem to get religious during and after wars as you can see. And of course the the fear that McCarthyism brought was used in political ways just as it has been done recently.

    I think Roosevelt made a good point against the motto:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust#Use_on_currencyAmerican presidents such as Theodore Roosevelt strongly disapproved of the idea of evoking God within the context of a "cheap" political motto. In a letter to William Boldly on November 11, 1907, President Roosevelt wrote: "My own feeling in the matter is due to my very firm conviction that to put such a motto on coins, or to use it in any kindred manner, not only does no good but does positive harm, and is in effect irreverence, which comes dangerously close to sacrilege... it seems to me eminently unwise to cheapen such a motto by use on coins, just as it would be to cheapen it by use on postage stamps, or in advertisements."
    Ironic that a religion that once spoke of the evils of greed and the love of money ends up putting their God on it icon_rolleyes.gif