States with highest false belief systems have highest illegitimate birth rates.

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    Sep 17, 2009 2:47 AM GMT
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32884806/ns/health-kids_and_parenting/

    MSNBC - Jeanna Bryner
    U.S. states whose residents have more conservative religious beliefs on average tend to have higher rates of teenagers giving birth, a new study suggests.

    The relationship could be due to the fact that communities with such religious beliefs (a literal interpretation of the Bible, for instance) may frown upon contraception, researchers say. If that same culture isn't successfully discouraging teen sex, the pregnancy and birth rates rise.

    Mississippi topped the list for conservative religious beliefs and teen birth rates, according to the study results, which will be detailed in a forthcoming issue of the journal Reproductive Health

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    Sep 17, 2009 3:59 AM GMT
    Don't forget they also have the highest porn consumption icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 17, 2009 4:03 AM GMT
    They also have the lowest IQ.
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    Sep 17, 2009 5:08 AM GMT
    Ummm, dudes...does this surprise anyone? Seriously?
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    Sep 17, 2009 6:16 AM GMT
    Yeah, this is not news.

    Maybe it's partly because all of that repression has to bust out somehow. If you keep telling kids how terrible it is to do something, that's the thing they're going to most want to do.

    I think those states also tend to have the highest divorce rates.
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    Sep 17, 2009 7:44 AM GMT
    Rather than being averse to contraception, I imagine it would be the focus on abstinence that causes teenage pregnancy.

    I saw this show where they compared the rate of AIDS transmission for countries that encouraged safe sex versus abstinence and the abstinent countries had far higher transmission rates.

    Something in that for all of us. icon_wink.gif
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    Sep 17, 2009 10:55 AM GMT
    These are the states that have the highest out of wedlock births
    The highest HS drop out rates
    The lowest spent per capita spent on education
    Highest infant mortality
    Highest chronic health issues .... like Obesity and High Blood Pressure
    and they have the highest Meth use

    Shows you what the combination of a lack of edumacion and religion can do
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    Sep 17, 2009 10:58 AM GMT
    I am not really surprised by this. They need to get off the Bible and get on the condom or on the pill.
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    Sep 17, 2009 11:50 AM GMT
    I think the situation can best be summed up by this line from National Lampoon's Vacation:

    "Daddy says I'm the best french kisser.".
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    Sep 17, 2009 11:53 AM GMT
    Why, oh why, am I not surprised! They don't have healthcare, either, yet they're pounding their fists against S O C I A L I S M !!! icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 17, 2009 5:16 PM GMT
    GQjock saidThese are the states that have the highest out of wedlock births
    The highest HS drop out rates
    The lowest spent per capita spent on education
    Highest infant mortality
    Highest chronic health issues .... like Obesity and High Blood Pressure
    and they have the highest Meth use

    Shows you what the combination of a lack of edumacion and religion can do


    But I bet they have low tax rates and can claim to be the most pro-business! Besides, what good is an education or health ! Who really needs knowledge anyway...... It might even make a person think for themselves instead of blindly accepting what they watch on Fox news.
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    Sep 17, 2009 5:39 PM GMT
    McGay saidI think the situation can best be summed up by this line from National Lampoon's Vacation:

    "Daddy says I'm the best french kisser.".


    McGay strikes again! ROFL!!!
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    Sep 17, 2009 6:16 PM GMT
    people who believe that storks bring babies are visited by storks more often
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    Sep 17, 2009 6:23 PM GMT
    Mormons have special underwear, yet, it's not protecting them.
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    Sep 17, 2009 6:27 PM GMT
    chuckystud saidMormons have special underwear, yet, it's not protecting them.


    That's because they're wearing it all wrong. It's supposed to be worn on their heads, like a special Mormon beanie, to protect their brains against the evil influence of the marriage-seeking sodomites. icon_razz.gif
  • jarhead5536

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    Sep 17, 2009 6:44 PM GMT
    Well duh... Fundamentalism breeds all sorts of nasty social ills, mostly stemming from the status of women. I could go on, but you guys are smart people that can take it from there...
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    Sep 17, 2009 10:24 PM GMT
    Contraceptives ARE forbidden in the Roman Catholic Church.
    But the main reason for this is that the Vatican wants Catholic couples to have as many babies as they can, so they can grow up to be Catholics, increasing their numbers, and making their Church more powerful. It has little or nothing to do with the Bible, or what it says.
    The only reference to "contraception" found in the Bible is in Genesis 38:9-11 where Judah ordered his son Onan to lie with his deceased brother's wife, to produce offspring for his brother Er. Knowing that his offspring would not be legally his but Er's, he spilt his semen on the ground, and the Lord slew him.
    As for teenage pregnancies, the citation which Chuckstud linked to this site is utter nonsense! The United Kingdom, where I live, has the least church-going population density in Europe, if not the western world, with about 2% of the population who attend church regularly. Our country is also the birthplace of Charles Darwin and his theory of evolution by natural selection, and this brainwashing lie had spread from here to all western countries.
    And guess what? The UK has the highest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe and also the highest divorce rate in Europe. And as for abortion, the UK has also one of the highest in Europe.
    In Protestant churches in general, at least here in the UK, there is no ban on contraceptives. Although abortion without a medical reason is frowned upon, each couple must decide on family planning, and the church can only advice, not order them about, except where sex should be within marriage for the benefit of both the parents and the children's wellbeing.
    Statistics in the UK has shown that married couples are less likely to divorce than co-habitees, and children born to married couples do better at school, and are more healthier, than those born to co-habitees.
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    Sep 17, 2009 11:02 PM GMT
    NotThatOld said Our country is also the birthplace of Charles Darwin and his theory of evolution by natural selection, and this brainwashing lie had spread from here to all western countries.


    "Brainwashing lie?"
    I suppose you have scientific evidence to back up that claim?

    Oh, wait... I forgot! The Church frowns upon the intelligence of man and the validity of the scientific method because The Pope and his god have decreed such levels of thought as evil, and a false belief system.

    Who needs evidence when The Pope tells you what to think, right?icon_idea.gif
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    Sep 18, 2009 12:26 AM GMT
    NotThatOld saidContraceptives ARE forbidden in the Roman Catholic Church.
    But the main reason for this is that the Vatican wants Catholic couples to have as many babies as they can, so they can grow up to be Catholics, increasing their numbers, and making their Church more powerful. It has little or nothing to do with the Bible, or what it says.
    The only reference to "contraception" found in the Bible is in Genesis 38:9-11 where Judah ordered his son Onan to lie with his deceased brother's wife, to produce offspring for his brother Er. Knowing that his offspring would not be legally his but Er's, he spilt his semen on the ground, and the Lord slew him.
    As for teenage pregnancies, the citation which Chuckstud linked to this site is utter nonsense! The United Kingdom, where I live, has the least church-going population density in Europe, if not the western world, with about 2% of the population who attend church regularly. Our country is also the birthplace of Charles Darwin and his theory of evolution by natural selection, and this brainwashing lie had spread from here to all western countries.
    And guess what? The UK has the highest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe and also the highest divorce rate in Europe. And as for abortion, the UK has also one of the highest in Europe.
    In Protestant churches in general, at least here in the UK, there is no ban on contraceptives. Although abortion without a medical reason is frowned upon, each couple must decide on family planning, and the church can only advice, not order them about, except where sex should be within marriage for the benefit of both the parents and the children's wellbeing.
    Statistics in the UK has shown that married couples are less likely to divorce than co-habitees, and children born to married couples do better at school, and are more healthier, than those born to co-habitees.


    Oy. I'm going to ignore most of your post since it's pointless to discuss a lot of this with you.

    I'm just going to point out that, according to the linked article, the teenage pregnancy rate in the UK, while high by European standards, is considerably lower than the rate in the United States.

    Which countries had the lowest rates (according to the linked article)? Korea, Japan, Switzerland, the Netherlands, and Sweden.

    http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1123322
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    Sep 18, 2009 11:23 PM GMT
    To Zeebyaboi,
    Point taken. But here I was not advocating Catholicism, neither am I a papist. Rather all I did was to state why the Vatican believes what they say on certain topics including childbirth. There are many things I disagree with what the pope believe and says.
    But as to why I wrote here (and in other posts as well) that Darwinism is "a brainwashing lie" because it is.
    Evolution was dreamt up by people who preceded Charles Darwin. Jean Baptiste Lamarck was an atheist who proposed a theory of evolution by mutation, somewhat different to Darwin's means by natural selection. Thomas Huxley, Herbert Spencer, Ernst Haeckel as well as Darwin himself were antagonistic about the Bible and its revelation of divine creation, after the latter was bullied by his father, a church minister, for his son to become a clergyman himself.
    Darwin was a disciple of Scottish geologist Charles Lyell, who wrote his book "Principles of Geology." He put forward the idea of Uniformitarianism, a theory that the stratified rocks were laid down over many millions of years by means of water.
    All these ideas were the result of hating the Bible, because of its power to convict sin. Evolution denies the existance of God and it deifies man himself to godhood.
    Both Sigmund Freud and Alfred Kinsey upheld the idea that if we as a species had evolved, then we must shake off the "horrible religious constrictions" and go out for sex, regardless of marriage. After all, if we are just animals, then let us ACT like animals. This lead to the decline of Biblical morallity which was the fabric of western Judeo-christian society. There is a link therefore between Darwinsim and the growing evils in our cities, including Socio-sexual transformation.

    Theatrengym,
    Too bad you have no desire to discuss these issues with me. But let me say that I have checked your link and it does back up what I have posted earlier, that the UK has the highest teenage birth in Europe and it has the world's second highest rate after the United States. As already said, this flies against Chuckystud's OP where it fails to correlate with his idea that high teenage births run alongside high church attendance. The UK is the most godless country in Europe, and it is as least trusting. For example, the number of surveilliance cameras set up in public places is the highest, I believe, in the world. And I'm talking about my homeland which is very big on Darwinism but very minute in spiritual matters.
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    Sep 19, 2009 12:07 AM GMT
    NotThatOld,

    Funny that you brought up "Principles of Geology." That is actually the next science text I'll be reading. I can't afford the 3 volumes at this moment, so I have to buy Penguin Classics's Abridged version.

    Although I haven't read it yet, just some excerpts, I highly recommend everyone read it.
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    NotThatOld saidAll these ideas were the result of hating the Bible, because of its power to convict sin. Evolution denies the existance of God and it deifies man himself to godhood.
    What utter bullshit. The Theory of Evolution has done more to de-deify man than anything you've professed. What have you said in other posts? Israel are God's chosen people? Evolution makes no such endorsement.

    The Theory of Evolution deals with speciation and does not specifically address abiogenesis, nor does it advocate for one form of creation over another. Oh, and the Theory includes natural selection AND mutation as agents of evolution. Whether Darwin originated those himself is immaterial; they're now both twin pillars of the theory.

    Further, if Charles Darwin were a baby-burning Satanist, you'd still have argued nothing that discredits the Theory of Evolution.

    You sound well-read, but your grasp of reason is off-putting. Expand your reading scope.
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    Sep 19, 2009 1:17 AM GMT
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    Theatrengym,
    Too bad you have no desire to discuss these issues with me. But let me say that I have checked your link and it does back up what I have posted earlier, that the UK has the highest teenage birth in Europe and it has the world's second highest rate after the United States. As already said, this flies against Chuckystud's OP where it fails to correlate with his idea that high teenage births run alongside high church attendance. The UK is the most godless country in Europe, and it is as least trusting. For example, the number of surveilliance cameras set up in public places is the highest, I believe, in the world. And I'm talking about my homeland which is very big on Darwinism but very minute in spiritual matters.


    Well, I've read some of your previous posts on some of these subjects, and I simply think we'd both be wasting our time discussing these things. I don't think I'd change your point of view even the tiniest bit and I don't think you'd change mine. I do like to hear myself speak, I like it a lot, but there's a limit if it's too clear that there's minimal, if any, point.

    To clarify, if it wasn't clear, I was responding to these statements of yours: "As for teenage pregnancies, the citation which Chuckstud linked to this site is utter nonsense! The United Kingdom, where I live, has the least church-going population density in Europe, if not the western world, with about 2% of the population who attend church regularly."

    My point is that the United States has a high rate of church going and a very high rate of belief in God, and yet the teenage pregnancy rate is much higher than the UK rate. Look at the huge drop on the graph in the page I'd linked.

    And this is what it says: "Altogether, 52 out of every 1000 girls aged between 15 and 19 in the United States gave birth, while the United Kingdom topped the list in Europe--and came second overall--with just over 30 births in 1000 teenagers." So while the UK came in second, it's still a huge drop.

    Some interesting comparisons on this page:

    http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_teens.html

    Meanwhile, some of the countries with some of the lowest teenage pregnancy rates have some of the lowest church-going rates and some of the highest atheism rates in the world. I'm talking about Sweden and the Netherlands. I'm not finding actual rates on church going around the world, but I believe those two countries have very low church-going rates and very high atheism rates.

    Interestingly, those are also two of the countries where the citizens give the most in donations to developing countries:

    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0823-03.htm

    Here's an interesting report:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/20/bush-teen-pregnancy-cdc-report
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    Sep 19, 2009 8:19 PM GMT
    Theatrengym,

    Unfortunately there seem to be a bug with the search engine of the Gutmacher website - after several attempts with the link, all it came up with was a blank page.
    But with the other two, which I looked at closely, the commondreams site does look at first to back up your arguement - that nations with higher church-attending rates are less generous in donating to poorer countries or those which suffer a natural disaster like the Tsunami. But looking more closely, in it I read that the average American citizen gives 6 cents per person per day - or less than $22 per annum - on average on a private basis, that is to say, to private charities. (And yes, that to me is rather mean). To make things a little more complicated, the article does not say in what proportion do church-goers donate in comparison with non church-goers. In other words, the article does not say whether church people are more generous or not, but rather gives the NATIONAL average.
    On the other hand, an average Dane donates a whopping 90 cents person/day. But here is the crunch. of that 90 cents, 89 cents are donated by the Government, leaving only one cent donated privately. In other words the major segment of giving is through taxes, which does not necessarily reflect the wishes of the people.

    As for the other link, the Guardian/George Bush site, perhaps Bush should have kept his evangelical opinions to himself and concentrate on what he was voted in to do - run the country.
    But that aside, the very fact that veneral diseases are linked to sexual promiscuity shows the proof of the truthfulness of the Bible. That is why in the Old Testament, the Israelite was to marry a virgin - to prevent the spread of such illnesses and the intense suffering these ailments bring.
    And the article brings out another Biblical truth - the law of reverse psychology. In other words, we don't like being told what to do in our private lives - especially about our sex drive, the second most powerful force within us after self preservation. So it would naturally follow that if a church, government or any other institution tells us not to have sex before marriage, then guess what happens - sexual promiscuity rises along with the illnesses which are linked to it.
    Read Romans chapter 7. Here Paul writes precisely about reverse psychology, and the only way out of it - regeneration of the heart through faith in Jesus Christ.
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    Sep 19, 2009 9:36 PM GMT
    NotThatOld saidTheatrengym,

    Unfortunately there seem to be a bug with the search engine of the Gutmacher website - after several attempts with the link, all it came up with was a blank page.
    But with the other two, which I looked at closely, the commondreams site does look at first to back up your arguement - that nations with higher church-attending rates are less generous in donating to poorer countries or those which suffer a natural disaster like the Tsunami. But looking more closely, in it I read that the average American citizen gives 6 cents per person per day - or less than $22 per annum - on average on a private basis, that is to say, to private charities. (And yes, that to me is rather mean). To make things a little more complicated, the article does not say in what proportion do church-goers donate in comparison with non church-goers. In other words, the article does not say whether church people are more generous or not, but rather gives the NATIONAL average.
    On the other hand, an average Dane donates a whopping 90 cents person/day. But here is the crunch. of that 90 cents, 89 cents are donated by the Government, leaving only one cent donated privately. In other words the major segment of giving is through taxes, which does not necessarily reflect the wishes of the people.

    As for the other link, the Guardian/George Bush site, perhaps Bush should have kept his evangelical opinions to himself and concentrate on what he was voted in to do - run the country.
    But that aside, the very fact that veneral diseases are linked to sexual promiscuity shows the proof of the truthfulness of the Bible. That is why in the Old Testament, the Israelite was to marry a virgin - to prevent the spread of such illnesses and the intense suffering these ailments bring.



    I'm not having a problem with the guttmacher link. Try it again.

    You know, if you leave your house (or even let someone else into your house or talk with someone in the door to your house), you could catch the flu from that person. That could kill you. Or you could catch pneumonia from that person. That could kill you, too.

    If you do leave your house, you could get hit by a bus or a car or a runaway horse if you live in the country or a bear could attack you and kill you.

    So perhaps the Bible should warn us to never leave home and to never come into contact with another human being or animal because it could make you sick or even kill you.

    And, of course, sometimes food can kill you if it's contaminated in some way. So you should never eat.

    Really, NotThatOld, life is risk. Some risks are more likely than others to have serious consequences. But people make their own assessments and take their chances. There's very little you can do that isn't somewhat risky.