Can you date someone who blindly identifies himself as a republican?

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    Sep 17, 2009 1:43 PM GMT
    Over the past couple of days I've been somewhat amazed at beliefs people hold.
    As a gay man I find it perplexing that some gays so staunchly defend the Republican party: to the death as it were.

    Seems to me that the current iteration of the Republican party espouses a philosophy of greed, selfishness, bigotry and myopia that go beyond the pale.

    Can you date a guy and seriously make a go of it - if the guy is blindly passionately Republican? And by passionately Republican, I mean someone who claims to be knowledgeable of the party's philosophy identifies and argues for it and unquestionly follows the party line.

    I think I would have a hard time reconciling such a philosphy to my own and don't think that I could seriously date someone of that mindset.

    What say you?
  • 24hourguy

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    Sep 17, 2009 2:13 PM GMT
    No. There are some things I am just not capable of.
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    Sep 17, 2009 2:22 PM GMT
    MadeNUSA saidWhat say you?

    I strongly agree, and would add that you omitted the official Republican Party position, upon which their candidates campaign, of strong opposition to gay rights, gay marriage, and even enactment of gay hate crimes legislation.

    Republicans are not only bad for the entire country, they are the mortal enemies of gays, by their own choice. Promoting & exploiting gay hatred & fear was one of the cornerstones of the Karl Rove election strategy in 2004. And a gay would align & associate himself with that? icon_razz.gif
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    Sep 17, 2009 2:31 PM GMT
    So we have 2 in the no column, thus far icon_smile.gif
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    Sep 17, 2009 2:32 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    MadeNUSA saidWhat say you?

    I strongly agree, and would add that you omitted the official Republican Party position, upon which their candidates campaign, of strong opposition to gay rights, gay marriage, and even enactment of gay hate crimes legislation.

    Republicans are not only bad for the entire country, they are the mortal enemies of gays, by their own choice. Promoting & exploiting gay hatred & fear was one of the cornerstones of the Karl Rove election strategy in 2004. And a gay would align & associate himself with that? icon_razz.gif


    Yeah you are right- I didn't really think of their anti-gay agenda. Which makes it even more damaging.

  • jarhead5536

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    Sep 17, 2009 2:54 PM GMT
    Well, I married one, but he is far from passionate about it. Well, he is rather staunchly conservative, yet apolitical, so he doesn't care to talk about politics or engage in any way...
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    Sep 17, 2009 2:56 PM GMT
    jarhead5536 saidWell, I married one, but he is far from passionate about it. Well, he is rather staunchly conservative, yet apolitical, so he doesn't care to talk about politics or engage in any way...


    When you say staunchly conservative, what do you mean?
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    Sep 17, 2009 3:02 PM GMT
    MadeNUSA said
    jarhead5536 saidWell, I married one, but he is far from passionate about it. Well, he is rather staunchly conservative, yet apolitical, so he doesn't care to talk about politics or engage in any way...


    When you say staunchly conservative, what do you mean?


    More like Libertarian. My guy is the son of a logger (loves the outdoors but hates environmentalism), a native Montanan (deep, deep mistrust of government, college educated people, big city dwellers and all Easterners), a business owner (hates taxes, the welfare system, see above for feelings on government), raised fundamentalist Christian yet left the church when he came out (still fears eternal damnation for being gay yet rejects everything about organized religion), and a child of the trailer park that made good (serious Jerry Springer level dysfunctional trailer park family issues).

    If he didn't treat me like the prince that I am, I would have nothing to do with him...
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    Sep 17, 2009 3:03 PM GMT
    If he couldn't talk about anything but politics, and concurrently had an "I'm-right-because-I-say-so" attitude, then no. Mind you, that goes for someone on the political left too.
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    Sep 17, 2009 3:14 PM GMT
    jarhead5536 said
    MadeNUSA said
    jarhead5536 saidWell, I married one, but he is far from passionate about it. Well, he is rather staunchly conservative, yet apolitical, so he doesn't care to talk about politics or engage in any way...


    When you say staunchly conservative, what do you mean?


    More like Libertarian. My guy is the son of a logger (loves the outdoors but hates environmentalism), a native Montanan (deep, deep mistrust of government, college educated people, big city dwellers and all Easterners), a business owner (hates taxes, the welfare system, see above for feelings on government), raised fundamentalist Christian yet left the church when he came out (still fears eternal damnation for being gay yet rejects everything about organized religion), and a child of the trailer park that made good (serious Jerry Springer level dysfunctional trailer park family issues).

    If he didn't treat me like the prince that I am, I would have nothing to do with him...


    Thanks for the clarification
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    Sep 17, 2009 3:20 PM GMT
    Yay... already covered in the all in one thread

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/655368/
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    Sep 17, 2009 3:24 PM GMT
    Let let me say if I dated a republican and he merely identified himself that way, but had some reasoned criteria for his beliefs (and respected others views), I'd have no issue with dating him.

    If he was radical with his approach (and radical I mean, "his way or the highway"), there probably wouldn't be a date in the first place. I have no use for
    anybody (either side) who isn't flexible and respectful to differing views and ideas.

    So back to J's original question here... if he "argues passionately" ... in a respectful, reasoned manner, he might pass.... if he argues to argue...
    never...

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    Lostboy saidYay... already covered in the all in one thread

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/655368/


    No. I think not. But thanks for the info
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    Sep 17, 2009 3:26 PM GMT
    "passionately identifies himself as a republican" Yes.

    "blindly identifies himself as a republican" No

    By 'blindly', I mean someone who votes the party line unquestioningly.

    Incidentally, the same goes for democrats, since there are homophobic democrats out there too.
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    Sep 17, 2009 3:29 PM GMT

    It's an odd question, because both of us doubt that someone passionately Republican or passionately 'whatever-party' would want to date anyone with opposing political views.

    We're talking dating, not casual sex..
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    Sep 17, 2009 3:31 PM GMT
    bgcat57 said"passionately identifies himself as a republican" Yes.

    "blindly identifies himself as a republican" No

    By 'blindly', I mean someone who votes the party line unquestioningly.

    Incidentally, the same goes for democrats, since there are homophobic democrats out there too.


    Hmmmmmm now come to think about it, blindlly identifies and blindly unquestioning is more what I'm looking for. Thanks for sharpenining my thoughts. It's been a long week.
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    Sep 17, 2009 3:34 PM GMT
    jprichva said
    meninlove said
    It's an odd question, because both of us doubt that someone passionately Republican or passionately 'whatever-party' would want to date anyone with opposing political views.

    We're talking dating, not casual sex..

    Well, there's the Mary Matalin-James Carville marriage....


    So there is
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    Sep 17, 2009 3:37 PM GMT
    jprichva said

    Well, there's the Mary Matalin-James Carville marriage....


    I've always found that marriage very interesting. I'd like to hear how they do it.
    They have such polar opposite views and when they discuss their comments
    on a news show like, "Meet the Press", you can see visually how much they disagree... perhaps they never talk about it at home or they simply agree to disagree. Still, as many times as I've heard Mary introduced and I say out loud,
    "Well the old witch".. LOL She probably isn't that bad... LOL
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    Sep 17, 2009 3:38 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    jprichva said

    Well, there's the Mary Matalin-James Carville marriage....


    I've always found that marriage very interesting. I'd like to hear how they do it.
    They have such polar opposite views and when they discuss their comments
    on a news show like, "Meet the Press", you can see visually how much they disagree... perhaps they never talk about it at home or they simply agree to disagree. Still, as many times as I've heard Mary introduced and I say out loud,
    "Well the old witch".. LOL She probably isn't that bad... LOL


    Unless they have lots of hot makeup sex
  • calibro

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    Sep 17, 2009 3:41 PM GMT
    Republicanism is not synonymous with those people on FOX news... many people who are die-hard republicans are fiscally conservative folks who want limited role of government in state's affairs, including social matters, feeling that the federal form of rule is intrusive on what a state government is for. I have no problem dating a guy like that. I don't expect the people I date to think the way I do; I wouldn't date those "republicans" on tv because so much of what they say is illogical, and I just don't date stupid people. But being a republican on its own is not indicative of being one of those people. So, in summation, yes, I would (and have) date one
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    Sep 17, 2009 3:41 PM GMT
    lol, got us there! But such unions I think you'll find relatively rare.

    Gandpa - atheist - Grannie a roman catholic. I had an interesting childhood.


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    Sep 17, 2009 3:45 PM GMT
    MadeNUSA saidOver the past couple of days I've been somewhat amazed at beliefs people hold.
    As a gay man I find it perplexing that some gays so staunchly defend the Republican party: to the death as it were.

    Seems to me that the current iteration of the Republican party espouses a philosophy of greed, selfishness, bigotry and myopia that go beyond the pale.

    Can you date a guy and seriously make a go of it - if the guy is blindly passionately Republican? And by passionately Republican, I mean someone who claims to be knowledgeable of the party's philosophy identifies and argues for it and unquestionly follows the party line.

    I think I would have a hard time reconciling such a philosphy to my own and don't think that I could seriously date someone of that mindset.

    What say you?


    No, I could not do it. Blindly and passionately following a creed and, more importantly, a political party, is a bit silly to me, whether it's Democrat, Republican, or whatever.
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    Sep 17, 2009 3:49 PM GMT
    I know quite a few Republicans who are perfectly lovely people. In fact, I know way more Republicans who are perfectly lovely people than I know the batshit insane breed of Republican (birthers, tea-baggers, Hitler-apologists).

    I swear, if it weren't for TV, The Washington Times, conspiracy theory sites, and methadone clinics these people would just be playing Sega in their parent's basements.
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    Sep 17, 2009 3:49 PM GMT
    MadeNUSA said
    As a gay man I find it perplexing that some gays so staunchly defend the Republican party: to the death as it were.

    Can you date a guy and seriously make a go of it - if the guy is passionately Republican? And by passionately Republican, I mean someone who claims to be knowledgeable of the party's philosophy identifies and argues for it.

    What say you?



    Ugh! Not THIS tired old no win topic AGAIN???

    I'm sorry you're "perplexed" -- poor thing. All I'm going to say is that I know many Gay Republicans and not a one of them "staunchly defends" every single philosophy of the Republican Party, and for obvious reasons. They (Republicans) are not all the "Fag hating, we need to banish Gays from the planet" ilk some of you drama queens would like to have everyone believe. Go ahead and argue that they are all you want, but I'm not going to waste my time addressing such lunacy. I wouldn't support, nor would any Republicans I know support, any anti-gay legislation whatsoever. However, there is a difference in my opinion between anti-gay marriage legislation, and anti-gay legislation. I know many people that do not support gay marriage, but have no problem with gays per se. They are not anti-gay, but simply anti-gay marriage. Now, I am sorry if that opinion doesn't mesh with everybody here, but people are allowed to have their own opinion, and if it doesn't mesh with yours, well, that's just too bad -- get over it. When the majority of Americans are in favor of gay-marriage, it will pass - period - but until that day comes, unfortunately, we have to accept it and keep trying harder for acceptance on that issue. Until everyone in the Democratic Party is standing up for Gay Marriage -- most notably some of the leaders like Obama and Hillary Clinton -- it's pretty bogus to be placing the blame squarely on those big bad Republicans. It's not particularly healthy, or attractive, to blindly follow any party. Why can't you all just accept the fact that there are varying degrees of opinions in both parties, and not be so hell-bent on tearing down someone who has a different opinion?
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    Sep 17, 2009 3:53 PM GMT

    Hmmm, suddenly 'passionately' became 'blindly' - they're very different things.