AD(H)D

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    Dec 11, 2007 6:40 AM GMT
    How many other ADD/ADHD guys out there find it's impossible to remember shit when you're unmedicated?
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    Dec 11, 2007 3:49 PM GMT
    yupe. and my other meds only make it worse. and... where was i? transformers?
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    Dec 11, 2007 3:53 PM GMT
    Ha ha ha ha ha! I feel ya. Anyone have any medication recommendations that don't make you feel "short tempered?"
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    Dec 11, 2007 4:05 PM GMT
    oh shit i forgot what is was going to say.

    oh yeah!! my mind is like a Ponty Python episode. totally random dumb thoughts running through my head, that have nothing to do with eachother. you know the thing where they go "And now for some thing completely different."? yeah that's it
  • Nudista

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    Dec 11, 2007 4:19 PM GMT
    I find myself going through the same thing dood.

    About 3 years ago I even went to see a doctor about it. I told him my mind spins and hangs out at the 9K RPM redline all day long.

    Strangely he asked if I had a college degree. I said yeah. Did you do well? Yeah...very well. Then he tells me the chances of me having true ADHD was minimal. Most people wouldn't be able to get through college, he said....he then blamed it on my stressful job but always offered to put me on meds to see how I reacted.

    I took up the offer and soon was on the highest dose of ...damn, forgot the meds name. Anyhow...bottom line is that I felt completely the same...NOTHING CHANGED....felt like a placebo...and spent about $500 between testing and meds. So I stopped.

    Today I just deal with it. Sometimes i think its just me...and so much media hype about these conditions makes some people think they really have a condition when they are simply in the "high range" of normal daily symptoms, rather than a true case of ADHD.
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    Dec 12, 2007 1:14 AM GMT
    Yeah I've been flunking half my classes LOL

    I'm a bit ticked at my shrink because he's been treating me for ADHD when I'm by no means hyperactive... I've been through Adderall, Ritalin, and I'm currently on Strattera, but I'm still just as distractable as before. (I'll also add my psych-evaluation said I was severely autistic, had Asperger's syndrome, and was bipolar/BPD--those three have since been dismissed as "oops!")

    The stimulant medications ran me crazy, so he's having me try the Strattera. I've been on it for almost two months and all I've noticed from before is now I sleep ten hours straight!! My focusing is shit--I can only take things one at a time, and I can't get OFF task when I need to (I've never done a homework assignment for three hours straight) and if I'm not currently bogged down in something, my mind's all over the place just as bad a buffaloshydude's Monty Python-mental state.
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    Dec 12, 2007 1:26 AM GMT
    From what my non-medical eyes have seen, ADHD is trendy and overdiagnosed. More often than not it seems to be a symptom, not a disease itself. By symptom I mean a symptom of depression, drug addiction, dyslexia, learning disability, ptsd, sexual or emotional abuse, being too damned smart for the society around them, Asperger's syndrome, laziness, etc.

    I've run into dudes who've told me they were ADHD as if they were actually proud of it.

    I don't want to offend anyone with true ADHD here. You know who you are.
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    Dec 12, 2007 4:24 PM GMT
    Yeah, I struggled through school. I remember having to retake a few classes up to 3 times. I finally didn't think to get checked until, of course, after graduation (with terrible grades) and loosing my job 3 times for "lack of focus."

    My doctor but me on Welbutrin because she said that I also show'd signs of depression and this medication would help that and my ADD. But, I dunno if I see any difference. The only difference I do see is that before medication, if I would concentrate to hard, my head would feel like it wanted to explode.
  • DiverScience

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    Dec 12, 2007 4:37 PM GMT
    I have cyclothemia and mild ADD (emphasis on mild, I've got a shit ton of coping mechanisms so I don't need meds... except occasional caffeine and sugar). I also have audio-visual dyslexia.


    One quick and dirty test is this:
    Drink a cup of coffee. Does it make you wired and shaky, or put you to sleep? If it makes you wired and shaky you're probably not ADD. If sugar helps you focus, that's another (lesser) indicator.

    When I'm exceptionally wired or stressed, I drink black tea before bed so I can sleep.
  • Nudista

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    Dec 12, 2007 4:51 PM GMT
    I definitely have to agree with Rugger....

    ADHD seems to be a symptom to so many other conditions...something that is common with mental conditions overall. You hardly ever have just ONE of them....
    When i was back in school working on my degree I remember I was a MASTER procrastinator...I literaly would leave 3 week assignments to the last day and spend all night and precious morning minutes trying to finish it up. The thing is....my procrastination always paid off....it always worked and I always got my stuff done. So my crazy behavior was always reinforced. I couldn't break the habit.

    During my procrastination I'd be all edgey and in a constant panic mode....I think this was the beggining.
    During my workouts I'd always take ephedra caps because they help tremendously to get in an insane workout and just fill you with energy....but this just added to my train of thought running at 9K RPM's. Many times I'd take ephedra for my evening workout and when i got home just slam those assignments with no problem...but I know they contributed to my spinning head.

    So bottom line is that as Rugger mentioned...at least in my case I know its definitely a SYMPTOM of other things...maybe my procrastination. And my procrastination could be a symptom of something else...Ahhh! Thats the thing with mental disorders....finding the root cause!

    Good luck to all the guys out there...
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    Dec 12, 2007 5:09 PM GMT
    Coffee has been kind of putting me to sleep lately. What does that mean?
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    Dec 14, 2007 7:26 AM GMT
    I don't get sleepy or wired on coffee... I do relax a bit though
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    Dec 17, 2007 6:17 AM GMT
    I suffer severe cognitive and occupational impairment (but ADD symptoms are only a component of my total pathology, AXIS 1-5) when I don't take amphetamines. But I won't take them. I was able to go to school and keep my house clean. But I couldn't stand the daily come down after years of taking it (since I was years old), dosage escalation, the pills irritated my stomach, made me really obsessive, they completely burned me out over time. They fix one thing but make several problems worse. I said no more about 3 years ago and I never felt healthier, but my entire life fell apart.

    I always have dirty dishes in piles. I wash one dish at time as I need them. Forget about trying to get me to pay attention to you when you speak to me. My laundry strewn all over the room in a mixture of cleans and dirties. My socks never match. I don't really wash my clothes, so much as I air them out and beat the lint and cat hair off of them, a spritz of Hypnose and I'm on my way. I'm usually in need of a shave. I can hyperfocus on some things like fitness and art, but other than that I can't finish anything, not even my art projects.

    Provigil and Stratterra were absolute failures. I'm taking Namenda (a novel drug I take for off-label purposes, and alzheimers is a cognitive disorder) now with some marginal success. I am definitely less fidgety and my mood is dramatically better. I thought that since amphetamines were dopaminergic drugs that I should ask my doctor about other dopaminergic drugs like those used for Parkinsons disease. I was on selegeline for a year with marginal improvement in occupational functioning though I was unable to function in school. My diet was never better but the restrictions on numerous other drugs with MAOIs, and its failure to control my mood and anxiety symptoms let to its cessation. I was on amantadine for about 3 weeks and I noticed marked improvement but I was allergic to it. I have been taking ropinirole (requip) for awhile, it helps me sleep better for some reason, though I don't have or believe in restless legs syndrome. It helps with the anhedonic depression a bit. I asked my doctor about COMT (catechol O-methyl tranferase) inhibitors like entacapone. I am wondering if a COMTI coupled with a dopamine agonist might have a similar effect to the amphetamines. Amphetamine functions as an agonist and reuptake inhibitor of dopamine. I also take guanfacine and venlafaxine which both have alpha adrenergic activity which is shared by the L-ampetamine components of the adderall blend. but it still lacks that final PUSH into motion. Cerebral blood perfusion, and excitatory neurotransmission in my dorsolateral prefrontal cortices just won't initiate. I have no occupational salience.

    I now take a caffeine tablet with my first daily 24 ounce guava Rockstar. It's almost enough to keep me from fidgeting and improves my working memory. I also have a minimum level of extreme physical activity that must be met if I am going to effectively function. I have this restlessness or akathisia in my bones and tendons and temperament that keeps me from resting or focusing on anything unless I burn myself out. Exercise is absolutely essential. I can't seem to break 160 lbs. I just changed my fitness goal towards endurance.


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    Dec 17, 2007 6:58 AM GMT
    Sounds like me on Adderall... I could focus really well, get shit done, and stay organized.... BUT my anxiety was jacked clear through the ceiling, I fussed over otherwise-negligible details, and I was dropping weight so fast people were wondering if I'd developed an eating disorder!

    I'm now on Strattera: it's helped a bit with some things, like the anxiety, but that's about it... I can get things done after I put in some music and close the blinds, but even then if my cellphone goes off or someone's making noise, nothing will get taken care of!

    Time to yell at the doctor again LOL
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    Dec 17, 2007 5:53 PM GMT
    I have tested for ADD and it was a resounding positive result. I have been hesitant to try medication because I understand the misuses it can lead to.

    One thing I started taking is an amino acid called Tyrosine. A therapist recomended it and I find it helps me out just enough. You should take it with a B vitamin. It also helps with depression. If you are an anxious person like I am you might want to pair it with Inositol to calm you down.

    I work in an envoronment where I am constantly checking my email and responding to client needs, but find it really hard to focus without finding side activities to fill my time. It poses a real productivity problem.

    I can't even explain the random way I clean my house. Lord...
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    Dec 17, 2007 6:13 PM GMT
    I forgot what the question was...
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    Dec 18, 2007 7:56 PM GMT
    hahaha.... forgot the question!! that's funny lateralus... hahaha... um... what was i laughing at? icon_confused.gif


    I'm on dexetine now, damn tolerance builds up FAST!!! even when i take it as needed. anyway I'll see how well it has worked when I get my grades back from this semester
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    Dec 18, 2007 8:05 PM GMT
    lateralus, the question was, "What are you doing later tonight?"
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    Dec 18, 2007 8:19 PM GMT
    I think Rugger had a good point above. I think ADD especially is just throw out there as a way to cover out own shortcomings.

    Rather than take responsibility for bad grades or such we blame it on a disorder and demand pills to solve it. Were a society hooked on pills and absolving ourselves of any responsibility for our lives.

    "Its not my fault, its my disorder/disease/mental illness/genetics/etc.... Its ANYTHING but my fault."

    Not to say ADD/ADHD doesn't exist. I just think its used as a cover for many people to wisk away guilt over their own problems.
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    Dec 18, 2007 8:33 PM GMT
    Gee whiz, Trance, is there NOTHING in this world that you won't attribute to someone's failure to take responsibility? Why are you such a rigid personality? You are the sort of person we used to call a Hoover...meaning that as soon as they enter a room, they suck all the fun out of it. Go to a great party, and pretty soon everyone will be depressed and mumbling about how they have to go home now.

    What in your life turned you into such a total downer?
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    Dec 18, 2007 8:37 PM GMT
    The better question is what in your life let you just accept things for how they are?

    If choose to voice my opinion on some things which I see as wrong. Or should I just be silent, smile, and ignore everything?

    Better to stand out than be a sheep.
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    Dec 18, 2007 8:41 PM GMT
    No one is telling you not to have opinions. God knows you're full of opinions. But your opinions always betray both a lack of understanding of life's complexity...that's because you're 22....and a lack of empathy for the struggles of other people. And I sincerely hope that is also because you're 22, but some people---and we call them "jerks"---maintain that lack of empathy their entire livcs. I really hope that's not the path you're headed down.
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    Dec 18, 2007 8:45 PM GMT
    Still bitter over the airlines thread I see?
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    Dec 18, 2007 8:46 PM GMT
    guess that disclaimer didn't work Trance23. word of advise -- disclaimers only work in the world of civil litigation. leapfrog!!
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    Dec 18, 2007 8:54 PM GMT
    No, Trance, I'm not the one who's bitter. I'd invite anyone to read all our posts and judge which of us has the bitter outlook on life.