Democrats Are Not Angels Either

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    Sep 18, 2009 2:18 PM GMT
    For example, I think the reason that many Democrats are against "the public insurance option"in health care reform is that, just like most Republicans, they are indebted to the massively powerful insurance industry.

    And are the Democrats deeply indebted to lawyers and their special interests? Why is there not much discussion about abusive malpractice reform in general?

    I certainly disagree with 99% of what Republicans stand for, but that doesn't mean I accept anything offered by the Democrats.

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  • GQjock

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    Sep 18, 2009 4:23 PM GMT
    Who said that the democrats have all the answers?

    Look at the Baucus bill that came out of the Senate committee
    It's the worse thing that could have been written on paper
    and the reason is because Max Baucus has received the MOST money from the health ins industry and big Pharma than any other Senator in congress

    The democrats certainly aren't the answer to all out problems
    But when compared to the republicans?
    YIKES .... there isn't any comparison
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  • JP85257

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    Sep 18, 2009 4:41 PM GMT
    There needs to be tort reform first and foremost.
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    Sep 18, 2009 5:04 PM GMT
    The democrats are still crazy right wing.

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  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 18, 2009 5:15 PM GMT
    The democrats don't have all the answers by any means.... and they can become way too complacent in their thinking (thus a 1994 comes along and they get booted).

    I think so long as they are being perceived as fiscally conservative (which is a challenge in light of health reform and the old "tax and spend" dogma)
    and some republicans remind of of their radical right wing ways... some of their errors can be forgiven.... maybe.
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    Sep 18, 2009 8:39 PM GMT
    How about we throw out all of the crap going around washington ( cap and trade, the health care bills, the stimulas to name a few) and actually get both parties to work together in a real effort to come up with something that will really work.
    I am so tired of the Democrats trying to push through all the crap that epitomizes the idealogy of the left wing of the party. The arguement of "ha ha ha ha , we won the election" isn't good for anyone. Neither is the uninformed republican faction idea that we have to oppose them because they are democrats!
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    Sep 18, 2009 8:51 PM GMT
    The Baucus bill is crap. That man should be ashamed for wasting everyone's time.

    Now who ever said the democrats were angels?
  • rvdredrocks

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    Sep 18, 2009 9:35 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]JP85257 said[/cite]There needs to be tort reform first and foremost.[/qu

    Absolutely, without Tort Reform our health care system will eventually bankrupt this country. I am currently involved in a lawsuit trying to recover over $200,000 in medical expenses sustained in an auto accident where the driver of the taxi cab in which I was riding was at fault. My lawyer will get 45% of my court awarded judgment! The surgeon who operated on me after the accident pays over $250,000 a year for medical malpractice insurance.
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    Sep 18, 2009 10:08 PM GMT
    JP85257 saidThere needs to be tort reform first and foremost.


    Tort reform is a distraction. Yes, it is something that should be done, but it is irrelevant in the health care debate. All this chatter about medical malpractice only represents 1.5% of health care costs.
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    Sep 18, 2009 10:50 PM GMT
    We need better balance against the corporation teat-sucking that passes for campaigning.

    Oh, what I would donate to a candidate who is a true people's champion.
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    Sep 18, 2009 10:53 PM GMT
    Tort reform is very important for many reasons. When Texas and California instituted tort reform, malpractice insurance dropped by 30% and 40% respectively. Many of the counties that didn't even have doctors, suddenly did as doctors moved back into the state, insurance companies came back increasing competition and hospitals could use that extra money to provide better care by hiring more staff and buying new equiment. Annual malpractice insurance can be as high as $250,000 a year.
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    Sep 19, 2009 12:18 AM GMT
    MadeNUSA saidThe Baucus bill is crap. That man should be ashamed for wasting everyone's time.

    Now who ever said the democrats were angels?

    When you will not date a republican we figured that democrats must be perfect.
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    Sep 19, 2009 12:25 AM GMT
    two heads of the same two headed monster

    one head resembles the Bush family, the other, the Clintons

    interestingly enough, these families in and of themselves are extremely close.

  • Aquanerd

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    Sep 19, 2009 2:23 AM GMT
    MunchingZombie said
    JP85257 saidThere needs to be tort reform first and foremost.


    Tort reform is a distraction. Yes, it is something that should be done, but it is irrelevant in the health care debate. All this chatter about medical malpractice only represents 1.5% of health care costs.


    Not when you add all the needless expensive tests that are given to protect against potential lawsuits.
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    Sep 19, 2009 2:25 AM GMT
    I really don't like this Baucus plan:



    From another article:
    1. Premium rules that are a giveaway to the insurance companies.
    2. The individual mandate is in there anyway.
    3. It taxes benefits, slowly but surely.
    4. No public plan option.
    5. Co-ops can't always "cooperate."

    Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/top-five-reasons-the-bauc_b_289380.html

  • swimbikerun

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    Sep 19, 2009 3:23 AM GMT
    MunchingZombie said
    JP85257 saidThere needs to be tort reform first and foremost.


    Tort reform is a distraction. Yes, it is something that should be done, but it is irrelevant in the health care debate. All this chatter about medical malpractice only represents 1.5% of health care costs.
    Oh a wiseguy huh?
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    Sep 19, 2009 3:32 AM GMT
    rvdredrocks said[quote][cite]JP85257 said[/cite]There needs to be tort reform first and foremost.


    Absolutely, without Tort Reform our health care system will eventually bankrupt this country. I am currently involved in a lawsuit trying to recover over $200,000 in medical expenses sustained in an auto accident where the driver of the taxi cab in which I was riding was at fault. My lawyer will get 45% of my court awarded judgment! The surgeon who operated on me after the accident pays over $250,000 a year for medical malpractice insurance. [/quote]

    Welcome to capitalism. That lawyer will then pay his entire staff and his rent bill and his electric bills and so forth and so on including court costs fees etc, that he has probably laid out in advance that you could not have afforded. If you lose your case which is a possibility your lawyer will get nothing. so is it fair yes it is. and 45% is alot any contingency plan is generally 33% plus costs and fees
  • roadbikeRob

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    Sep 19, 2009 9:35 PM GMT
    Anymore, I fail to see anything better about the democrats over the GOP. Under the GOP, the military-industrial complex along with the oil and mineral extraction and agricultural industies profitted from generous doles of taxpayers hard earned money. Under the democrats, AIG along with the big banks and the automotive industry get generous financial treatment from the taxpayers. So either way we are getting fucked by the wealthy elite and all their lobbyists. So the democrats are really no better than the republicans. Go figure.
  • Webster666

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    Sep 19, 2009 9:54 PM GMT
    The OP offers nothing but his own opinion, with no evidence to support it.

  • Webster666

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    Sep 19, 2009 9:59 PM GMT
    "Under the democrats, AIG along with the big banks and the automotive industry get generous financial treatment from the taxpayers."
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    GEE, LET'S SEE, WHO WAS PRESIDENT ON SEPTEMBER 16, 2008 ???????????
  • auryn

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    Sep 20, 2009 2:06 AM GMT
  • jrs1

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    Sep 21, 2009 11:20 AM GMT
    KissingPro saidDemocrats Are Not Angels Either


    was there any indication otherwise? no ... just like you ... Democrats are human, too:

    a play on the following canciĆ³n:

  • roadbikeRob

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    Sep 22, 2009 8:32 PM GMT
    ToWebster666, Bush and his GOP cronies were still in the White House when AIG went under and recieved a bailout from the US Government. However at the same token, the democrats went along with this horrendous bailout scheme because many of them are just as involved with corporate America as the republicans. The evidence is in the news over the past year.
    Furthermore, who controlled both the Congress and the Senate during the AIG bailout fiasco? answer the democrats. You are obviously a blind sycophant to the democratic party because you think the democrats can do no wrong.
  • jarhead5536

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    Sep 22, 2009 8:35 PM GMT
    JP85257 saidThere needs to be tort reform first and foremost.


    The single largest obstacle to ethical government is the lack of campaign finance reform. I know it's not very sexy, but all the money in politics corrupts everyone in Washington, regardless of party. A singles SCOTUS ruling denying the personhood of corporations would probably do it, since all the successful arguments against campaign reform equate money with speech, and a corporation (which is clearly NOT a human being with Constitutional rights IMHO) does not have the right to free speech...
  • jarhead5536

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    Sep 22, 2009 8:38 PM GMT
    jprichva saidTort reform is hogwash. It is just another way to slam the courthouse door on people who have no other way to redress their wrongs. It has always been high on the Republican wish list----that ought to tell you at least as much as you need to know about why it's being constantly pushed.


    On the fence here. Perhaps the AMA should police its own, rather than protecting bad doctors and shoddy medical practices. If the AMA yanked a few medical licenses once in a while, there would scarcely be need for malpractice lawsuits, as they all would step up and weed out the bad doctors. Things being the way they are today, we need the protection of lawsuits for the sake of wronged patients...