So Jimmy Carter was Wrong?

  • GQjock

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    Sep 18, 2009 10:05 PM GMT
    Then explain this for me please?

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    Sep 18, 2009 10:10 PM GMT
    Totally racist!!! Just like the signs with Curious George on them!
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    Sep 18, 2009 10:11 PM GMT
    Oh come on that is just as racist as when they depicted George Bush as a privileged white guy!
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    Sep 18, 2009 10:17 PM GMT
    Thanks for posting this example, I had just seen this only moments ago on MSNBC, and I don't know what else could be behind such a poster than racist feelings. Where are the moderate, clear and reasonable thinking republican leaders that should be saying to their followers to distance themselves and call out such people who promote this ignorant and racist behavior. I would think they would be too embarassed to quietly let such actions stand without saying something against it.
  • Anto

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    Sep 18, 2009 11:04 PM GMT
    Isn't it just as 'racist' to be upset with portraying Obama as a dark skinned tribal shaman? What is there to be upset about if not thinking that it's insulting to be a dark skinned tribal shaman? It's wrong to compare someone like Obama to 'those' people?

    I think it's entirely possible to include aspects of race into political satire without actually being condemning of a race as a whole don't you? We do it all the time to individuals and people don't seem to care all that much, what does it matter if it includes features that apply to a group of people?

    Example: a person might be drawn with an overly large head because they have a big head. If a person's nose is exaggerated and it happens to be the case that an entire group of people might have such a nose - suddenly that is wrong or bad but making fun of an individual's features is ok?

    Even in gay culture stereotypes of gay people are made fun of and I've heard gays says it's perfectly fine and that offended gay people should lighten up.

    It seems like we are really mixed up with what is ok and not ok. I'm not trying to promote racism, it just seems like there is a lot of conflicting ideas or principles happening.
  • GQjock

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    Sep 18, 2009 11:41 PM GMT
    Errrrr .... What?icon_eek.gif

    I hope you're kidding me my man

    You are aren't you? icon_neutral.gif
  • Mepark

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    Sep 18, 2009 11:45 PM GMT
    Why are you guys so obsessed with these idiots?

    It's going to backfire if the democrats keep accusing the opposition of racism. It's important to emphasize that "a small" number of Republicans may hold racist views, just like how there is a small number of DEMOCRATS who refused to support Obama because of the color of his skin. And the people holding up HITLER signs in town halls are DEMOCRATS. I know many many people who oppose heath care and everything else Obama is doing, and they are NOT racist.
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    Sep 19, 2009 12:46 AM GMT
    OY
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    Sep 19, 2009 1:05 AM GMT
    It seems racist to me. But maybe it's just that the radical right just comes across as so hate-based in their mentality and race-based hate is just what people are familiar with so they lump it together. Does it even matter? They are all about hate. What more do you need to know?
  • Aquanerd

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    Sep 19, 2009 2:37 AM GMT
    GQjock saidThen explain this for me please?

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090918/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama

    The huge split in the United States on what to do to "fix" health care has been around since before Obama's community organizing days.

    Government exists to fuck things up it can create a new bureaucracy to "fix" it only to fuck something else up. Anyone that thinks the Government of any king will do anything successfully and efficiently is deluding themselves or have alternate motives or both.

    Jimmy Carter has always been a joke even in Georgia. And as for racism he should know. In his campaign for governor he used photos of is opponent smiling with his arms around to African Americans (his opponent was part owner of the Atlanta Hawks and the two men were players.) Carter has not made a public move his he was left the White House that wasn't some attempt to try and create a positive legacy that even he knew he had failed to do as President.
  • Anto

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    Sep 19, 2009 2:39 AM GMT
    GQjock saidErrrrr .... What?icon_eek.gif
    I hope you're kidding me my man
    You are aren't you? icon_neutral.gif


    I can see how that image would be upsetting but I can also see how it could just be political satire as well. Most political satire is offensive in some way imo, especially the visual media sorts.

    What makes you think it's the 'evil' kind of racism and not just political satire that happens to be most fitting with his appearance and how someone feels about the health care proposal he wants to put forward?

    How do you separate the usual personal or political bias out from true hatred of race?
    Take these two images for example, is one more offensive than the other?
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    Sep 19, 2009 4:20 AM GMT

    You know, Anto, we think the Obama one can be seen as racist because for many years there was crap that insinuated blacks were some kind of 'missing link'.

    If whites were historically persecuted and said to be relative to the slug, then making a cartoon of a Bush slug could be seen as be racist.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Sep 19, 2009 4:40 AM GMT
    Mepark saidWhy are you guys so obsessed with these idiots?

    It's going to backfire if the democrats keep accusing the opposition of racism. It's important to emphasize that "a small" number of Republicans may hold racist views, just like how there is a small number of DEMOCRATS who refused to support Obama because of the color of his skin. And the people holding up HITLER signs in town halls are DEMOCRATS. I know many many people who oppose heath care and everything else Obama is doing, and they are NOT racist.


    Yeah, why do people assume that everyone at these rallys holding up signs at these rallys are necessarily Republicans. Newsflash: Lots of Democrats are unhappy with the President at the moment too over several issues --- it's not just Republicans. By the same token, there are some Republicans that are okay with Obama too.
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    Sep 19, 2009 6:40 AM GMT
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREGovernment exists to fuck things up it can create a new bureaucracy to "fix" it only to fuck something else up.


    What about Medicare? Social security? The army? The fire brigade? Aren't these all organised by Government or what you call bureaucracy?

    Should all these be privatised as well? You know, if there's a fire the fireman will ask to see your insurance before putting out the fire.
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    Sep 19, 2009 7:00 AM GMT
    Anto said
    GQjock saidErrrrr .... What?icon_eek.gif
    I hope you're kidding me my man
    You are aren't you? icon_neutral.gif


    I can see how that image would be upsetting but I can also see how it could just be political satire as well. Most political satire is offensive in some way imo, especially the visual media sorts.

    What makes you think it's the 'evil' kind of racism and not just political satire that happens to be most fitting with his appearance and how someone feels about the health care proposal he wants to put forward?

    How do you separate the usual personal or political bias out from true hatred of race?
    Take these two images for example, is one more offensive than the other?
    bushobama.jpg



    Now if the jokes were to do with Ms Palin, or G W Bush, so the Democrats would see the funny side to it, and even promote it. But when it comes to their leader, it's not funny, it's racist. Lets forget what they found funny about Ms Palin, and Bush, some truly derogatory stuff, much of it posted here too; it;s called double standards.
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    Sep 19, 2009 7:23 AM GMT
    He was wrong when he said Joe Wilson's motives were racial resentment.


    But yes, most of America's comparisons to Hitler or the questioning of Obama's birthplace IS racial resentment.

    They just had Bush for 8 years and now they have a fucking black guy... how is bovine America SUPPOSED to deal with that?
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    Sep 19, 2009 7:36 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidYeah, why do people assume that everyone at these rallys holding up signs at these rallys are necessarily Republicans. Newsflash: Lots of Democrats are unhappy with the President at the moment too over several issues...
    Yes, of course, to pretend to be balanced, we must say that there are Democrats at these rallies. Wrong. These are Rush Limbaugh/Glenn Beck/Sean Hannity/Fox News groupies, with transportation organized by Dick Armey of Freedom Works. The only Democrats there are the ones filming documentaries and news spots.

    Newsflash: the Democrats are upset the president and Congress haven't gone far enough on the health care reform.
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    Sep 19, 2009 8:49 AM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidOh come on that is just as racist as when they depicted George Bush as a privileged white guy!


    George Bush is a privileged white guy. Obama is not a chimp (I don´t know what the original pic was, but am thinking of some of the ones that appear after that in the thread)
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    Sep 19, 2009 9:30 AM GMT
    Lostboy said
    MunchingZombie saidOh come on that is just as racist as when they depicted George Bush as a privileged white guy!


    George Bush is a privileged white guy. Obama is not a chimp (I don´t know what the original pic was, but am thinking of some of the ones that appear after that in the thread)

    Methinks the Zombie is being facetious.
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    Sep 19, 2009 9:37 AM GMT
    One can never tell with Munchy. He´s american so one presumes dull earnestness, but he´s a Yankie and very munchable. He will forgive me.
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    Sep 19, 2009 9:50 AM GMT
    Well, atleast we know the in-your-face bigots are still the same dimwits they've always been. I'm more concerned with the ones that smile in your face with hate behind their teeth.
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    Sep 20, 2009 3:33 AM GMT
    joeyveras saidWell, atleast we know the in-your-face bigots are still the same dimwits they've always been. I'm more concerned with the ones that smile in your face with hate behind their teeth.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Buddy you sure got that right !!! I'm a yankee having moved to the south back in 82' and I sure have plenty of experiences where I met with that smile but experienced the hate behind their teeth. It was a healthy dose of white good old boy christian southern hospitality.
  • jgymnast733

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    Sep 20, 2009 3:44 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidJimmy Carter was right and not racist at all. I support this man. Even though he wasn't a good president long time ago.

    Well said,..........
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    Sep 20, 2009 4:06 AM GMT
    This was the image the OP posted.

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  • Webster666

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    Sep 20, 2009 6:52 AM GMT
    Jimmy Carter was 100% correct that a LOT of Americans are racist.
    I still think that it's a (wonderful) miracle that a 50% black man was elected to the presidency, in such a racist country as the U.S.. I'm hopeful that his actions as our president will change a lot of racists' minds.