homoeroticism: real or imagined?

  • _gingin

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    Sep 20, 2009 6:57 AM GMT
    visual representations of masculinity in the media (in films, artworks, ads, fashion, etc.) usually has some sort of homoerotic overtone.

    but is this 'homoeroticism' a real or imagined presence? i'm trying to find out if we're adding on to what might possibly be 'neutral' images our own interpretations which might be skewed towards the homoerotic.

    for example. leather.

    what do you think?
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    Sep 20, 2009 12:28 PM GMT
    _gingin saidvisual representations of masculinity in the media (in films, artworks, ads, fashion, etc.) usually has some sort of homoerotic overtone.

    but is this 'homoeroticism' a real or imagined presence? i'm trying to find out if we're adding on to what might possibly be 'neutral' images our own interpretations which might be skewed towards the homoerotic.

    for example. leather.

    what do you think?


    Yeah there's alot of homoeroticism in the media. Its all advertisement and its important that they sell sex and other concepts in a vague way. Believe it or not many of these products, tv shows, movies, music artist etc. Want to develop a stronger gay fan base to add on to the huge heterosexual one they already have.
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    Sep 20, 2009 12:55 PM GMT

    Homo-eroticism has to include the suggestion of men together, possibly coming together or regretably avoiding being together sexually. Not just an image that gay men would find attractive.

    I feel if it lacks the fore mentioned elements then it's not Homo-eroticism
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    Sep 20, 2009 2:49 PM GMT
    The question is whether an image can be homoerotic itself or does it require a person to impart homoeroticism upon it. Personally, I think it is the lattter. For example, many gay men think that seeing a picture of two semi-nude attractive men in proximity to each other is homoerotic. While a straight man wouldn't. To him it is an image of two semi-nude guys, which may nor may not have artistic value to him. Yes, even a straight man can see beauty in the male form, but it isn't homoerotic to him because he isn't a hmosexual. Thus I would argue that homoeroticism is something we impart upon things, not something that is inherently part of the image itself.

    GFORCE's point about whether the image is homoerotic at all is another great point. To me homoerticism requires some element of sexuality in the image, even if it just a look of longing in two men's eyes, for example. An image of two semi-nude men sunbathing in proximity to each other would not necessarily be homoerotic. The guys can be hot without the image being homoerotic.
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    Sep 20, 2009 3:20 PM GMT
    Thanks, Hockeytiger!
  • mustangd

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    Sep 20, 2009 3:36 PM GMT
    "Homoeroticism refers to the representation of same-sex love and desire, most especially as it is depicted or manifested in the visual arts and literature."
    as quoted from wikipedia.
    i think homo-eroticsim gets mixed up with the recent celebration of the male form. marketing has discovered that just as sex sells female sexuality for certain goods, so can male sexuality. calvin klein underwear, abercrombie.. to name only a couple. men show their bodies in film more, the way marketing see's it, if doing so sells more tickets, either to women, or gay men, its sales...just another means of mining money.
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    Sep 20, 2009 3:46 PM GMT
    By definition..."EROTIC" means 1) Of or concerning sexual love and desire; amatory.
    2)Tending to arouse sexual desire. 3) Dominated by sexual love or desire according to http://www.answers.com/erotic.

    To be "HOMOEROTIC" would therefore have to impart the a fore mentioned qualities toward one gender,

    MASCULINITY is defined as 1. The quality or condition of being masculine.
    2. Something traditionally considered to be characteristic of a male....again from http://www.answers.com/erotic.

    Something can be Masculine but not Homoerotic, because the sexual tension may not be directly or intentionally present.
    Of course, there will always be those that can read into anything the "meaning and intent" that they want to see, so I guess they could see homoeroticism in anything....sort of like how Charles Manson listened to the Beatles White Album and got out of it that he should go on a killing spree.....Yeah, ok maybe a stretch, but you get the point. icon_cool.gif
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    Sep 20, 2009 3:46 PM GMT
    Homoeroticism is activated in the subconscious.
  • bottomline

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    Sep 20, 2009 4:05 PM GMT
    I think it all depends on the product, and companies advertising them. Seductive marketing is pretty old school, and if there is a product that has a considerable gay consumer base, then why not. I am sure companies would not hesitate. As a matter of fact i will be surprised to learn that there inst any homo eroticism in marketing clothing products. Like a double edged sward. It isn't so manifest for the community in general to recognize it for what it is, but it is going to have its intended effect on the gay community and straight community inclusively.

    How ever what Gforce is talking about is more like what we see now days on TV that is directly targeted towards the after hour homosexual audience.I have seen some of that lately. Like that quiznos add, "Put it in me Scott" , and the go daddy girl add,that seems to be very gay/lesbian.
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    Sep 20, 2009 4:06 PM GMT
    jprichva saidI am more aware of hummuseroticism.

    The sexual feelings of pleasure one gets eating hummus. Especially on fresh pita.



    LOL.... Love Hummus.....
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    Sep 20, 2009 4:09 PM GMT
    jprichva saidI am more aware of hummuseroticism.

    The sexual feelings of pleasure one gets eating hummus. Especially on fresh pita.
    damnit.

    now i've got wood.
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    Sep 20, 2009 4:31 PM GMT
    Funkapottomous said
    jprichva saidI am more aware of hummuseroticism.

    The sexual feelings of pleasure one gets eating hummus. Especially on fresh pita.
    damnit.

    now i've got wood.


    alright...so this is all HOMOHUMMUSEROTICISM? ....the catty joy of homos enjoying hummus.....mmmmm GOOD! icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 20, 2009 10:00 PM GMT
    Booty is in the eye of the beholder icon_lol.gif
  • jrs1

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    Jan 20, 2010 11:31 AM GMT
    real:

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    Jan 20, 2010 11:32 AM GMT
    very real:

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    Jan 20, 2010 12:15 PM GMT
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    Jan 20, 2010 12:35 PM GMT
    Look at action/martial arts movies from the 80's.

    a lot of them are obsessing about the male physique, and at the same time the presence of female characters is almost nonexistent, or their only purpose is to be the heros heterosexual alibi. there also seems to be a big focus on male bonding between the hero and his sidekick.

    when even my straight male friends thinks it's obvious and make gay jokes about movies like Commando, American Ninja et.c. there has to be something to it LOL.

    It's hilarious to watch those movies in the company of my friends, who constantly finds symbols to interpret into a gay context icon_lol.gif

    Here we see Arnold fighting his ex soldier buddy (lover) Bennett, in an extremly gay outfit btw, who turned super villain.
    This final showdown ends w. Arnold impaling Bennett with a huge pipe, thereby establishing the top/bottom relation between the two.
    yes, my straight friend came up w that icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 20, 2010 2:14 PM GMT
    Here's the ultimate test on whether something is homoerotic: Let a group of teenage guys see it. If the overwhelming response is "That's SO GAY," then the image is homoerotic. It does not have to involve more than one man.
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    Jan 20, 2010 2:47 PM GMT
    wrestlervic saidHere's the ultimate test on whether something is homoerotic: Let a group of teenage guys see it. If the overwhelming response is "That's SO GAY," then the image is homoerotic. It does not have to involve more than one man.


    I think that'd be a pretty good test icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 20, 2010 2:55 PM GMT
    i think that its our own human nature to see what we want to see or crave to see. For the most part there are absoultly no positive gay characters on tv (expectation: one life to lives' fish and kyle) for the most part we are consitantly give whiney bitchy fags that prance around give fashion advice! so when we see a show were there a 2 half nude regural acting guys talking, we latch on to it and in our sub-consious mind create a new story about the 2 guys and why their nude!!! (which of course can be fun) i think that we are looking so hard to find something that reminds us of who we are we unfortunatly have to look for it, were it doesnt exsit.
  • metalxracr

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    Jan 20, 2010 2:59 PM GMT
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    and of course many of their commercials have homoerticism and so does Levis jeans.