Clash over 'gay pray'

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    Sep 20, 2009 7:55 AM GMT
    I was to read this in today's paper the Melbourne Herald Sun September 20.

    Gay Rights protesters and Christians clashed in a bitter war of words (sounds like RJ) outside a Micham ( outer Eastern Suburb of Melbourne Australia) Baptist Church yesterday.

    A dozen protesters accused people in Simla St Church of homophobia, during a meeting aimed at guiding young people away from homosexuality.

    Church goers said the congregation included about 25 "sexually confused" parishioners.

    Meeting organisers Shirley Baskett said she used to be a lesbian and wanted others to choose the right path. ( so one is assuming she is a bisexual, who has abandoned her lesbian side. The damage bisexuals do. They make sexuality look like a choice, when it's the pure heterosexuals, and pure homosexuals who have no choice, but the bisexuals do, to flip flop from one side to the other!)

    " it can be very confusing to have these feelings" she said.

    Protester Tim Wright said he was very angry that young gay men were being told to overcome their sexuality.
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    Sep 20, 2009 2:38 PM GMT
    Hey Pattison, great point that the "ex gays" are bisexual and choosing to ignore their gay side. Much harder to do for someone who is totally gay(like me). Trying to become straight for me was like trying to become short. I TRIED to fantasize about women but somewhere in the fantasy they would morph into Miles O' Keefe.
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    Sep 20, 2009 2:51 PM GMT
    muscles4muscles saidHey Pattison, great point that the "ex gays" are bisexual and choosing to ignore their gay side. Much harder to do for someone who is totally gay(like me). Trying to become straight for me was like trying to become short. I TRIED to fantasize about women but somewhere in the fantasy they would morph into Miles O' Keefe.


    Well, that's better than if you were trying to fantasize about Miles O'Keefe and he morphed into a woman. Although with his hair in Tarzan . . . he kind of could be a very tall, very muscular woman.
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    Sep 20, 2009 3:12 PM GMT
    muscles4muscles saidI TRIED to fantasize about women but somewhere in the fantasy they would morph into Miles O' Keefe.



    LOL!

    My conversion techniques for myself when I was 12 were similar. My rule was that I had to think about boobs at some point during the fantasy.

    The scientific data on this approach are conclusive: randomly inserting boobs into this adolescent boy's homosexual fantasies failed to produce heterosexuality, even after the 12,000 attempts that were made during his adolescence.

    Sorry Patterson, back to your point. But, I do think my story raises an important point. Kids are often trying so hard to change something they shouldn't. And then, they get confusing messages from adults. icon_sad.gif
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    Sep 20, 2009 7:46 PM GMT
    I've always said those 'gay for pray' guys weren't being true to themselves...
    ...wait.
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    Sep 20, 2009 8:08 PM GMT
    I'm a Christian and I don't agree with this church.
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    Sep 20, 2009 9:26 PM GMT
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    muscles4muscles saidI TRIED to fantasize about women but somewhere in the fantasy they would morph into Miles O' Keefe.



    LOL!

    My conversion techniques for myself when I was 12 were similar. My rule was that I had to think about boobs at some point during the fantasy.

    The scientific data on this approach are conclusive: randomly inserting boobs into this adolescent boy's homosexual fantasies failed to produce heterosexuality, even after the 12,000 attempts that were made during his adolescence.

    Sorry Patterson, back to your point. But, I do think my story raises an important point. Kids are often trying so hard to change something they shouldn't. And then, they get confusing messages from adults. icon_sad.gif


    No it's a good point and relevant too.
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    Sep 20, 2009 9:29 PM GMT
    CanadianSun saidI'm a Christian and I don't agree with this church.


    I could not call myself a christian, as I don't belive the Bible is a true history book! But I do have a strong faith; but why is a whole another story.

    But I don't agree with this church either, and since it's in my part of town, I may well join the protest too; and for me thats saying something.
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    Sep 20, 2009 9:37 PM GMT
    muscles4muscles saidHey Pattison, great point that the "ex gays" are bisexual and choosing to ignore their gay side. Much harder to do for someone who is totally gay(like me). Trying to become straight for me was like trying to become short. I TRIED to fantasize about women but somewhere in the fantasy they would morph into Miles O' Keefe.


    I remember still being young, and all the trials and tribulations I had to over come from birth,and I had done well. But........this sexuality thing, how was I ever going to over come that; Gosh for a time I was truly tortured, and being a Mormon did not help; going to church did not help.

    But throwing my life to the wind in the past when I did not know what to do, and letting it take me wherever. Offed me opportunities to deal with this and over come it. No Longer a youth, I struggle no more.

    But do not heterosexual youth not have a struggle to with identity, it's not just restricted to gay youth.
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    Sep 20, 2009 9:47 PM GMT
    In my local University, an Ex-Gay pastor also made an appearance just last week for seminars to "help" gay students.

    I was unable to attend, but a few friends did. They found that the minister, when questioned about his past experiences with the gay community, could only remember or relate negative experiences. He mentioned that he had 10 sex partners before age 19, and found that gay relationships were "superficial, shallow and un-interested in love or respect".

    The friend who had attended was a psychology major, and asked him the simple question: "Why didn't you just say "no" when you were un-interested in a man sexually, or didn't want to do drugs? Why didn't you just try to find people with different interests, or straight friends who could be just platonic friends?"

    The pastor had no answers to any of these questions other than to just stammer that it was "not that easy" or "you're oversimplifying the question".

    http://www.newsminer.com/news/2009/sep/17/ex-gay-speaker-sparks-debate-uaf/