Peel Commission Report> sale... purchase... bought
Ryan_Andrew> its bullshit for you to say they BOUGHT the land
Except that I'm not the one who said so, the Peel Commission - which came to investigate Arab complaints, said so. Again:
|| The shortage of land is due less to PURCHASE by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population. The Arab claims that the Jews have obtained too large a proportion of good land cannot be maintained. Much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamps and uncultivated when it was BOUGHT.
RA> "They only owned around 7% of Palestine, while about 93% of historic Palestine was owned by present day Palestinians under the British Mandate."
Samer is lying through his teeth and he knows it. Previously, in addition to the chart above, he also provided another one showing that the majority of the land was not privately owned - his own sources contradicted each other (which happens often as there is no internal consistency to what he says; if I say that 2+3=5 he'll simultaneously argue that 2+3=4 and that 2+3=6 - just so long as he can try cast doubt or fool someone into believing that 5 is wrong.)
Samer's lie is as invalid as me claiming that any land in Mexico not owned by your grandfather must have been owned by me, as if there is no other option for ownership. It is complete "bullshit", and I've already provided the correct numbers (within a fraction of a percent):
The area allocated to Israel by the UN was 14.92 million dunams. Samer himself admits that by 1947 Jews owned 7% of the 26.3 million dunams of western Mandate Palestine, which is 1.84 million dunams. The Negev desert is 12.5 million dunams. Combined these account for 14.34 out of the 14.92 million dunams. Samer would have us believe that Arabs owned 93% of the land? Yet only 3.9% remains unaccounted for (14.34/14.92 = 96.1%). If we accept my figure of 3.3% Arab [private] ownership, that gives us a total of 99.4% (OK, I'll admit it, I've got a 0.6% error in my figures, which obviously have some rounding issues. Samer, though, is so far off - 90% - that it's not even funny and yet it's hard not to laugh - especially since he keeps spamming these outrageous figures).
RA> "80% of the Palestinian people were DISPOSSESSED of their homes, farms, and businesses."
Again, quoting the Peel Commission:
Peel Commission> The shortage of land is due less to PURCHASE by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population
The discussion then centered on "shortage of land", not "dispossession" because an earlier inquiry led by Louis French had already established that no such thing had happened.
Once again Samer is lying by playing fast and loose with the timeline. What he refers to is the Arab flight due to the Arab war in 1948. (No Arab war, no Arab refugees - or Jewish ones, either.)
RA> The difference between my grandfathers situation and any jewish situation is that they had owned they land since the time mexcio was conlinized by Spain
LOL. Jews have purchased and owned land in Israel not only since before Spain colonized the new world, but since before Spain came to be.
Speaking of Spain, do you even know that Spain was conquered and occupied by Arab invaders for longer - and more recently - than Israel was? Aside from a frew brief incursions, the foreign Arab dynasties (empires) were repelled from Eretz Yisrael in 1071. They remained in Spain through 1491.
The Spanish reconquered their land. Do you also accuse them of "stealing" it?
RA> You said that isreal dosent take part in ethnic cleansing but thats also a crock of shit. Im sure you/we all remember when all thoes bombing were happening in isreal and the israeli government invaded palistinian lands to go in and get the accused terrorist and the leaders of organizations like hamas with full force.
So you don't know the meaning of ethnic cleansing? An invasion (even as you falsely describe) is not "ethnic cleansing". Are you saying that US forces in Falujah and Afghanistan are guilty of "ethnic cleansing"?
Here's a real example of ethnic cleansing. In 1948 the Arab Legion (British armed, trained and led) attacked Israel and seized Judea & Samaria. All Jews living in this region who didn't flee were killed. They also took over all of eastern Jerusalem, destroying 58 synagogues as they got rid of the Jews (thus was born so-called "Arab East Jerusalem" and the "West Bank" - that's the part of eastern/Trans-Jordanian Palestine, Palestine east of the Jordan River, that was west of the river).
RA> I used to actually back and support isreal until I started getting in to the history of it all
That's odd given that you still don't seem to know much about the conflict (only repeating Samer's sound-bites and slogans which at best contribute more heat than light and are intended to mislead rather than inform) and frankly rather than learning you seem to want to disregard data (e.g. the Peel Commission) and invent "facts" based on your mistaken notions.
It's further odd given that the better educated someone is about the conflict, the more likely they are to support Israel.
RA> it is sad that alot of innoccent people would be and continue to be affected by this BS.
Still you prefer to selectively and one-sidedly demonize Israel, which betrays that you don't really care to end the conflict. Indeed, despite this topic being pointed out, you don't care to talk about making peace (and ignore that while I and most Israelis favor compromise and peaceful coexistence, Samer and most Palestinian Arabs do not).In search of a solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict: UNSCR 242, Oslo and Camp David/Taba
(Or: I support the Clinton COMPROMISE parameters. Do you?!)
Follow the link, share with us your visions of peace (beyond nuking the region).