Double Jointed-ness causes problems while working out

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    Sep 22, 2009 7:13 PM GMT
    Anyone here experience problems while doing arm reps, push-ups, leg curls, or any other excercise/work out routine because of your "hyperjointedness"? If so, please give me advice, since I'm having trouble (well have been having trouble) working out due to my joints. icon_confused.gificon_redface.gif
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    Sep 22, 2009 10:48 PM GMT
    not me but that happens to my friend. he's double jointed. best advice i can give is try not to worry about it and be careful. since your joints might stretch out in a bad angle, try to not rush when lifting or youll get hurt. sorry i couldnt be much help
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    Sep 22, 2009 11:14 PM GMT
    Yes! both of my shoulders are double jointed. I find it frustrating to do any over-head shoulder exercises... I feel as though my muscle will develop to compensate for the space that opens up on each shoulder, and not to support my shoulders, as it should. I've noticed the least strength improvement on these muscles as well.

    I went for the first massage of my life a few days ago, to a local massage therapist who specializes in athletes... I asked him about this. Apparently I was right, the muscle will naturally learn to form to compensate for the double-jointedness.

    He told me to see a chiropractor to have my shoulders adjusted often, and to receive a massage beforehand to allow the muscle to be more malleable. He then said to use lower weights, and force the bone to stay in place while lifting.
    Instead of focusing on the high numbers, focus on finding the weight that is just enough to feel a burn, but not to force the joint to dislocate. And eventually (hopefully) the muscle should build how you want it to. This should allow you to increase the weight. Sounds to me like it will reTRAIN your muscles to reTAIN your bones. I've yet to try this, but it does sound great in theory!

    And I'm sure half of his "prescription" was to sell me more massages, and advertise for his colleague. But I can't see how a massage and adjustment could ever hurt!
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    Sep 23, 2009 2:12 AM GMT
    Since I don't know you and your medical history, the following may be false.

    However, I doubt you truly have a double-joint, and instead have weak joints (like many of us, myself included) and bad form. I've actually been seeing a physical therapist to help with some joint pain problems (left knee, and left shoulder) and he's found that my muscles in those joints are very under-developed. In turn, other muscles compensate and pull my joints out of alignment and thus the pain... His recommendation: Light, precise exercises to rebuild the muscle around the joints, thereby stabilizing and strengthening the joints.

    I'd recommend seeing a PT and/or a qualified trainer who can help you improve your form, using very-low weight, to build muscle and thus joint strength. You'd be surprised at how much of a workout you can get only using your body's weight, very targeted exercises, and very-precise correct form.

    Start with a certified professional who understands joint mechanics, the human anatomy, and proper training and form. They'll help you "unlearn" bad habits and relearn solid baseline workouts, and likely heal your double-jointedness.

    Good luck!
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    Sep 23, 2009 5:47 PM GMT
    I'm glad to see I'm not the only one struggling with this shoulder thing!

    So frustrating, but comforting to see the same answer I received pop up two more times. Putting it into practice today.
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    Sep 25, 2009 1:15 PM GMT
    ThePenIsMyTier saidI'm glad to see I'm not the only one struggling with this shoulder thing!


    Shoulder instability can be classified into two different types, dislocations and subluxations.

    Dislocations
    This happens when the head of the humerus completely pops out of the socket. The first few times this happens, it is usually with significant trauma (although some people can have these without any in injury at all). After that, it can get easier and easier for the joint to dislocate.

    Subluxations
    This is the feeling that the shoulder slips slightly out of socket, then immediately comes back in place. This often happens without any major trauma. Sometimes it happens in people who are very loose-jointed.

    Orthopedic surgeons recommend conservative treatment and reserve surgery for people that are significantly impaired.

    Strengthening the rotator cuff is the proven way to improve joint instability. The bodybuilding exercises like military presses do not build the rotators cuff. The overhead and behind head movements tend to make shoulder problems worse.

    There are many web pages on the Net discussing rotator cuff exercises.
    Here is a link to just one site
    http://familydoctor.org/online/famdocen/home/healthy/physical/injuries/265.html

    If many of your joints are lax, you should be evaluated by a physician to rule out a genetic disorder.
    The most common problem is benign joint hypermobility syndrome. This tends to run in families. If someone has very lax joints he can be predisposed to subluxations and dislocations. When he is older, the chronically weak joints will develop osteoarthritis.

    Althought rare, there are two genetic disorders that are not benign and cause lax joints.
    The more common is Marfan's syndrome which is associated with aortic aneurysm's. Michael Phelps has Marfan's and has annual echocardiograms to check for aneurysms. His last check up was good.
    The other problem is Ehlers Danlos syndrome. Guys with the very extreme form of this illness do videos on YouTube..not everyone with Ehlers Danlos is a rubber man

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PunQu-bId1M&feature=PlayList&p=26EE0C4F9D67A579&index=11
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    Sep 25, 2009 1:24 PM GMT
    What does it mean to be double jointed?
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    Sep 26, 2009 1:57 AM GMT
    icon_smile.gif thanks

    now if only someone could give my advice for arms, legs, and back LOL
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    Sep 28, 2009 4:54 PM GMT
    There's really no such thing as "double-jointedness"
    The term you're looking for is called ligamentous laxity
    and it has nothing to do with how regular you are

    People with this condition have more motion in their joints than most people and this can be a result of many things
    like heredity, connective tissue disorders, muscle weakness and on and on

    But for the most part as you get stronger you muscles will start to stabilize your joints better as you lift weights
    Until then ... you have to protect those joints that are vulnerable
    esp the elbows and shoulders ... these are the joints that get the most injuries with workouts
    when starting weight lifting start with low weight
    don't jump right into the heaviest you can lift
    warm up ... clod joints are more easily injured
    watch your form ... if you get injured it's going to be because you lifted the weight in a way that was not compatible to the joint's motion

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    Sep 28, 2009 5:00 PM GMT
    GQ thanks so much icon_smile.gif
    and yeah the whole injury thing has happened twice already. thanks for giving me advice. I could hug you!! icon_smile.gif