Role Models - an okay movie ruined by homophobic dialogue

  • Laurence

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    Sep 23, 2009 10:48 AM GMT
    I've just watched the movie Role Models on DVD.

    It was an ok movie and had decent reviews here in the UK.

    However the movie was ruined for me by several instances of; ''get off me you Fag'', ''you look like a fag'', ''that's so gay'' sort of dialogue.

    I know the movie is aimed at a young audience, but why do film makers, who are probably intelligent, feel the need to use casual, negative language against gays? they wouldn't do it referring to other minorities.

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  • mcwclewis

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    Sep 23, 2009 2:18 PM GMT
    Good question. I often wonder the same thing.

    Unfortunately I don't have any good reasoning to suggest
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    Sep 23, 2009 4:38 PM GMT
    Laurence said
    I know the movie is aimed at a young audience, but why do film makers, who are probably intelligent, feel the need to use casual, negative language against gays? they wouldn't do it referring to other minorities.


    Except they DO do it referring to other minorities. You can either grow a pair or write an angry letter. I personally laughed along with the movie and I also pull the "You're gay!" stuff with my straight friends because they turn bright red and giggle like little girls.
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    Sep 23, 2009 5:00 PM GMT
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    Laurence said
    I know the movie is aimed at a young audience, but why do film makers, who are probably intelligent, feel the need to use casual, negative language against gays? they wouldn't do it referring to other minorities.


    Except they DO do it referring to other minorities. You can either grow a pair or write an angry letter. I personally laughed along with the movie and I also pull the "You're gay!" stuff with my straight friends because they turn bright red and giggle like little girls.


    That's your answer to everything isn't it? "Grow a pair?"
    You know, you've already posted it in about six other threads.... why don't you grow a pair and try a new catch phrase?
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    Sep 23, 2009 5:04 PM GMT
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    flex89 said
    Laurence said
    I know the movie is aimed at a young audience, but why do film makers, who are probably intelligent, feel the need to use casual, negative language against gays? they wouldn't do it referring to other minorities.


    Except they DO do it referring to other minorities. You can either grow a pair or write an angry letter. I personally laughed along with the movie and I also pull the "You're gay!" stuff with my straight friends because they turn bright red and giggle like little girls.


    That's your answer to everything isn't it? "Grow a pair?"
    You know, you've already posted it in about six other threads.... why don't you grow a pair and try a new catch phrase?


    Ok, stop being a pussy and suck my balls icon_biggrin.gif
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    Sep 23, 2009 5:08 PM GMT
    flex89 said
    SAHEM62896 said
    flex89 said
    Laurence said
    I know the movie is aimed at a young audience, but why do film makers, who are probably intelligent, feel the need to use casual, negative language against gays? they wouldn't do it referring to other minorities.


    Except they DO do it referring to other minorities. You can either grow a pair or write an angry letter. I personally laughed along with the movie and I also pull the "You're gay!" stuff with my straight friends because they turn bright red and giggle like little girls.


    That's your answer to everything isn't it? "Grow a pair?"
    You know, you've already posted it in about six other threads.... why don't you grow a pair and try a new catch phrase?


    Ok, stop being a pussy and suck my balls icon_biggrin.gif


    MUCH BETTER! Thank you! icon_lol.gif
    Now as for the OP's question... even with that in there, it seems to be my observation that kids are much more open and cognizent today about stuff like that and parents/teachers are less tolerant of it than they were in my youth. I'd like to put a little bit of stock in that, if it's not too naïve.
  • ChilaxinJOCK0...

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    Sep 23, 2009 5:47 PM GMT
    it didnt really bother me. It was just a buncha dudes bein stupid. I say some of the same stuff sometimes to my friends...i feel its just harmless. Now if my friend who knows im gay was saying it to me in a deameaning way purposely try to hurt me, then it would be diffferent
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    Sep 23, 2009 6:16 PM GMT
    They do it to emulate what goes on in real life with dudes. However, I think a filmmaker can make a conscious decision NOT to allow that kind of dialogue in a film. Cause, yes, it does perpetuate homophobia.
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    Sep 23, 2009 6:25 PM GMT
    I thought the movie was funny and I didn't find anything offensive. I joke around like that with my friends all the time who are straight and know I'm in love with a guy.
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    Sep 23, 2009 6:46 PM GMT
    I think there's a disconnect somewhere in the 30s of kids that grew up with the word fag and think its fine to use. I thought the movie was hilarious... they don't use it particularly derogatory, its used playfully, like any straight guys would use it. The word only has meaning if we give it meaning. I call my straight little brother a fag all the time.
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    Sep 23, 2009 7:35 PM GMT
    i love that movie and wasnt offended by any of it.

    calling eachother fags is like when girls call eachother tampons, it doesnt mean anything...
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    Sep 23, 2009 8:25 PM GMT
    I wasn't offended by it either, and I don't let anyone use gay in a derogatory way without letting them know that gay actually means stylish, well dressed, fit and urbane.
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    Sep 23, 2009 8:29 PM GMT
    Alright, I concede... It was a really gay movie. icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 23, 2009 9:21 PM GMT
    I guess Laurence and I are in the minority on this one.

    I haven't seen the movie, so I'm unsure of the specific context in which the word "fag" is used.

    But I'm deeply troubled that people think there is any appropriate space to use that offensive epithet. You can't "take back" or simply "choose to ignore" a word that has a history and meaning that is specifically meant to stigmatize LGBT people.

    And even more, I can't believe that anyone who identifies as LGBT would use that word with each other or especially to their younger siblings. In fact, there were two young boys who committed suicide this past year after being bullied at school and called epithets like "fag." So, when we use that word to others, you better be sure that it will then be repeated by others.

    I think the use of that word today represents the lack of any LGBT social movement for our rights that would give people pride in ourselves and in our community. Use of the word "fag" doesn't represent some sort of progress that "30-somethings and older" just don't get. it represents a retrograde normalization of heterosexism, and it also signifies the overall conservatism of the political climate of the past 30 years.

    Out of the Stonewall Revolt of '69, Gay Liberation Front (GLF) chapters sprung up all around the country that were anti-imperialist, fought homophobia, and encouraged people to come out of the closet.

    A Gay Liberation Manifesto was published in 1972 that said:

    Anti-homosexual morality and ideology, at every level of society, manifest themselves in a special vocabulary for denigrating gay people. There is abuse like 'pansy', 'fairy', 'lesbo' to hurl at men and women who can't or won't fit stereotyped preconceptions. There are words like 'sick', 'bent' and 'neurotic' for destroying the credence of gay people. . . . The ideological intent of our language makes it very clear that the generation of words and meanings is, at the moment, in the hands of the enemy. And that so many gay people pretend to be straight, and call each other 'butch dykes' or 'screaming queens' [or I would add 'fag'!] only makes that fact the more real.

    The verbal attack on men and women who do not behave as they are supposed to, reflects the ideology of masculine superiority.


    Today, we have stereotypical portrayals of effete, wealthy gay men on TV (Will and Grace and America's Next Top Model, eg.), and we have shows like The Simpsons and movies which use "fag" repeatedly. I'm sorry folks but that isn't that type of progress we need...
  • HorrorHound

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    Sep 23, 2009 9:27 PM GMT
    Honestly - that's just how some folks "talk".

    Even I say things such as "that's fuckin' Gay!" or something along those lines - depending on the situ - usually means "Lame, stupid, etc"

    Keep in mind, before GAY meant "homosexual" - it meant being happy. So these terms often throughout the decades get tossed around w/ new meanings & subtexts.

    However usually dialogue like this in a film doesn't ruin it for me. Guys sometimes talk & act like that. That "machismo" thing. icon_wink.gif

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    Sep 23, 2009 9:30 PM GMT
    I was loling at "Paging Dr. Faggot" in The Hangover because it wasn't a dig at gays in particular and the need for complete immaturity was perfect at that very moment.

    I only take offense when ridiculous movies like Chuck and Larry make dumb gay stereotypes the entire movie and only until the very last scene Adam Sandler's character makes a stand and says, "Don't use the word faggot, it's mean." Puh-lease. That's the moral of the story? Gag.
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    Sep 23, 2009 9:54 PM GMT
    IlliniXMarine saidToday, we have stereotypical portrayals of effete, wealthy gay men on TV (Will and Grace and America's Next Top Model, eg.), and we have shows like The Simpsons and movies which use "fag" repeatedly. I'm sorry folks but that isn't that type of progress we need...


    when did the Simpsons use the word 'fag?'
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    Sep 23, 2009 9:59 PM GMT
    Um... they use MANY stereotypes in that movie. Why does the delinquent kid without a dad have to be black? Why does the kid who is into fairy tales and all nerdy have to look like he does?

    The movie is equally offensive (if not MORE offensive) to the other minorities it stereotypes. Funny includes making fun of yourself. It's rated R for crude content... that should be enough to deter anyone away who is easily offended.

    Laugh and have a good time, or take offense to anything that resembles you and get mad. Your call, you control your reactions.
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    Sep 23, 2009 11:15 PM GMT
    when did the Simpsons use the word 'fag?'[/quote]

    I stand corrected. "that's so gay" has been used in several episodes, which is equally offensive, especially given the very real problem of bullying at schools.

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  • bottomline

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    Sep 23, 2009 11:21 PM GMT
    Well if society stops making statements like the ones you mentioned then movies that are trying to feel real by mirroring natural daily dialog wouldn't use them either. By just not showing it on TV we will just be masking the problem. We have seen in the past that it doesn't work.
  • mcwclewis

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    Sep 25, 2009 1:31 AM GMT
    Tone2m saidI don't really see why those statements are a big deal to be honest. If you let it bother you then it's achieved it's purpose and saying hoe innappropriate it is also is achieving their goal. I'm not gonna lie I use those statements it's just how we talked growing up, chalk it up to upbringing or the area ya live i dunno. But when ya whine about things it just makes them feel better and you worse.

    As far as youth tolerance of homosexuality goes I honestly can't say I've met someone under the age of 18 who has legitimately cared. Gay unfortunately or fortunately doesn fall in group with the other minorities we are everyone and that's why its a scary thing for intolerant people. Not to sound rude but I would imagine my underlying tone of this would be get thicker skin and just laugh life is too short to get upset and bitch.




    This must be different in different places. Kids around here who say fag mean it.

    The problem with allowing it is that you're allowing people to view gays as lesser people.


    I think it's too easy for people to accept it. Telling everyone else to grow balls (not related to what I quoted, obviously) and accept it is ridiculous. Accepting it is being a pussy, that's when people are too scared to say something.
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    Sep 25, 2009 2:01 AM GMT
    i love the whole 'judd apatow crew', i think almost everything they write is hilarious, but i have to agree, i was shocked to hear all the 'fag' jokes in Role Models. I can almost always laugh 'with' a gay joke, but for some reason in this movie they just came off as really homophobic and offensive. i expected more from these guys, considering the rest of their movies are pretty open minded in that sense. i dont know what went wrong with this one. icon_sad.gif
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    Sep 25, 2009 2:03 AM GMT
    Those types of movies are made to make fun of and exploit people for a cheap laugh. Every ethnicity, gender and other identity you can imagine in society is up for grabs as a target. The people who write this stuff aren't going for an Oscar or anything like that.