Student was Harassed for Homosexuality by His .... Teachers!

  • GQjock

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    Sep 26, 2009 9:06 AM GMT
    A student in Minn was recently harassed for being homosexual by two of his teachers


    Two of his teachers made comments like
    "Alex's fence swings both ways,"

    "Alex's boat floats in a different direction than the rest of the guys in the class."

    When he mentioned Ben Franklin in a report on the Industrial Age, it was because he has "a thing for older men."

    His car, a Ford Probe, was viewed as a sign of his homosexuality—the perfect vehicle for a boy who "enjoys wearing woman's clothes."

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/215997

    I think these teachers should have their licenses revoked once these allegations are verified
    This is absolutely disgusting
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    Sep 26, 2009 9:39 AM GMT
    That is the kind of shit that I wouldn't tolerate when I taught from '03 through '09. Kids should feel safe and know that the teachers are somebody that they can count on.

    And how old are these teachers? I had a student two years ago that carried a purse, etc. The kids loved him. I am surprised that the students didn't have the teachers removed. Most of them wouldn't tolerate that kind of picking on their peers.
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    Sep 26, 2009 1:56 PM GMT
    Personal anecdote about Anoka, Minnesota. Located next door in Coon Rapids is Anoka-Ramsey Community College (2-year program), which I visited often as a representative of a larger 4-year university. Initially as their "Transfer Specialist," a title I created myself in 1999 to disguish me from a regular Enrollment Specialist, and later as the university's Assistant Registrar. In that role I helped to create the transfer guides that determined which junior college coursework would transfer to our 4-year degree programs. That product still exists online for Anoka-Ramsey, I note, another of my innovations at the time, though in summarized form now, not giving actual classroom courses as it once did. The UND phone number & URL are still the same, though [NOSTALGIC SIGH]:

    http://www.anokaramsey.edu/Classes/Transfers/~/media/Files/Classes/Transfers/transfer/und.ashx

    I'd spend a day at Anoka-Ramsey a few times a semester, interviewing their students and visiting ones from local high schools, who were told of my presence on campus. They would have included the school in question in this gay discrimination case, though before this young man's time. I may have even gone to his HS itself, but I honestly don't remember, I visited so many.

    That area northeast of Minneapolis was once all farmland, now growing bedroom community suburbs, and said to vote heavily Republican, though the Mpls city core remains more liberal. Anoka-Ramsey didn't have any GLBT student organizations back then as I recall, nor do I think it officially does today, though they claim an 11,000 student enrollment, including distant learners.

    On one visit, someone whom I think was a student from the community college itself, literally swished up to my table and display in a lobby. He laughingly asked me if UND had any gay student activities, I suppose expecting me to be flustered.

    "Oh, yes, UND has the Ten Percent Society (TPS) for GLBT students, an official student campus organization. It's very active, and has 2 Staff and Faculty Advisors, of which I am one. Can I give you some contact information?"

    Blank stare. I didn't know if this was a hoax, or a genuinely gay man who wanted to make me feel uncomfortable. You can't play that game with me, and I remained smiling, courteous and helpful, totally unfazed, though I think he regretted misjudging me.

    I gave him some TPS info, I recall withholding the fact that the student President of the TPS was the best known drag queen in our area, if he'd ever visited Grand Forks, North Dakota. And those are memories I have whenever I hear something about Anoka, Minnesota. icon_biggrin.gif

    http://www.und.edu/org/tenps/
  • NickoftheNort...

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    Sep 26, 2009 3:52 PM GMT
    Now there's something for which a teacher should be suspended or fired.

    A teacher regularly picking on one student gives license for the other students to follow suit and legitimizes their bullying. The teachers in this case need to learn this and how their role as authority figures sets a higher standard for their behavior inside the classroom.
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    Sep 26, 2009 5:07 PM GMT
    that is just nuts. I wouldnt have let it slide on the first comment. My dad was a teacher and I feel for them but to have been stupid and continued on like that... screw 'em.
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    Sep 26, 2009 5:21 PM GMT
    I hope they enjoyed there comments. There licenses will be revoked soon I would imagine, the amount of national pressure the Board of Education will receive is going to make these terrible examples of instructors go BYE BYE.

    I will be highly disappointed if that isn't the case.
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    Sep 26, 2009 6:07 PM GMT
    jprichva said
    Pinny saidI hope they enjoyed there comments. There licenses will be revoked soon I would imagine, the amount of national pressure the Board of Education will receive is going to make these terrible examples of instructors go BYE BYE.

    Pinneh......you're a doctoral candidate?
    lol
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    Sep 26, 2009 6:33 PM GMT
    Pinny saidI hope they enjoyed there comments. There licenses will be revoked soon I would imagine, the amount of national pressure the Board of Education will receive is going to make these terrible examples of instructors go BYE BYE.

    I will be highly disappointed if that isn't the case.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Typical local politics both within the school system and from the school board, as well as the county or city government will hold back anything of any real consequence from happening to these teachers, especially if they have tenure. Any gay person who faces anything similar whether its at school, the work place, the military or in a community will go up against these basic same behind the scenes forces and can just about always count on very little action taking place. People don't want to face such truths, they just want them to go away.
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    Sep 26, 2009 6:48 PM GMT
    jprichva said
    Pinneh......you're a doctoral candidate?

    Thanks for pointing out the mistake. I got hit by a car yesterday morning so I am on norcopro something that is supposed to make me not feel pain. I have a netbook, internet, and bed rest for two days before they contemplate surgery.

    Thanks for judging me.
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    Sep 26, 2009 7:13 PM GMT
    Pinny said I got hit by a car yesterday morning so I am on norcopro something that is supposed to make me not feel pain. I have a netbook, internet, and bed rest for two days before they contemplate surgery.

    Pinny, I hope everything turns out ok.


    I hope this police man was ok, too.....ouch!

    http://www.viddler.com/explore/failblog/videos/282/
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    Sep 26, 2009 7:21 PM GMT
    Teachers and even principals making homophobic comments that border on hate crimes is something endemic in countries outside of the U.S. Many foreign school systems re-enforce intolerance for homosexuality. Sad but true.
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    Sep 26, 2009 7:25 PM GMT
    Pinny said
    jprichva said
    Pinneh......you're a doctoral candidate?

    Thanks for pointing out the mistake. I got hit by a car yesterday morning so I am on norcopro something that is supposed to make me not feel pain. I have a netbook, internet, and bed rest for two days before they contemplate surgery.

    Thanks for judging me.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pinny don't take it so personal, those of us who've been around for quite a while have seen over and again how things go against us in the 'systems' around us. Even so, we would rather have your more Idealistic way of hoping that something be done for this fellow to right the wrongs done him by these teachers. While I have my doubts, its still worth fighting for, because Idealists can chip away bit by bit what protects such teachers from being punished for their actions.
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    Sep 26, 2009 10:25 PM GMT
    realifedad said While I have my doubts, its still worth fighting for, because Idealists can chip away bit by bit what protects such teachers from being punished for their actions.

    But didn't the article claim that there are laws prohibiting such speech in Minn? I just can't imagine the school board not doing anything with the amount of pressure that is going to be coming in as this gets more and more known.
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    Sep 26, 2009 11:11 PM GMT
    I believe it and it is truly sad!

    I only fell victim to that once and I was in 4th grade. I don't remember how the top[ic came up or how my name even was brought to the forefront of this but I remember my teacher Mr. Ibarra standing in front of the class and saying..."No, Roy can't play football he is a momma's boy" and proceeded to flick his wrist downwards!

    I remember, I was crushed on the inside. I didn;t knwo what to do, I just remember all the kids turning around and laughing at me and I was just crushed. I expected it from my peers and other classmates, but I felt betrayed by him, because I always felt safe in the presence of teachers and adults in school, but when he did that, he ruined any sense of security I had ever had. I mean, if he could say that to me I thought anyone could say that.

    Flashforward 15 years later. I had become somewhat of a celebrity in my city and was asked to visit my elementary school and speak to the kids there. A lot of the teachers that were my teachers were still there and I thanked them as well. Low and behold who do I see after my little speech..... Mr. Ibarra. He comes up to me and asks "Do you remember me?" and I told him (and I still remember to this day....verbatim)

    "Of course I remember you, how could I forget the most influential teacher in my life during my 12 years of school, you truly left a lasting impression on me. You are the one teacher who called me a "momma's boy" in front of the entire class and crushed my spirit as a young child, how could I forget that!" and just stared at him waiting for a response, but more so to make him extremely uncomfortable.

    He was mortified and the look on his face was priceless, he seemed so embarassed. He just put his hand on my shoulder and gave me a 1 -2 pat and said, it's great seeing you and all that you have accomplished, and walked away.


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    Sep 27, 2009 1:24 AM GMT
    Pinny said
    realifedad said While I have my doubts, its still worth fighting for, because Idealists can chip away bit by bit what protects such teachers from being punished for their actions.

    But didn't the article claim that there are laws prohibiting such speech in Minn? I just can't imagine the school board not doing anything with the amount of pressure that is going to be coming in as this gets more and more known.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am sure your right that there are laws prohibiting such speech. With these boards though, a lot depends on if the teachers were tenured which nearly makes it impossible to get rid of them or hold them accountable in a really meaningful way. Also a lot depends on how well liked these teachers were, and how many people are willing to come forward to speak positively for them. If the young man that was harassed only has a few willing to witness for him, and the teachers have several times more witnesses, the truth will get drowned out and this won't go very far. Its a damn shame but having worked for several boards through the years in 3 states, the last one of which was connected with county and state government boards, I've experienced that getting justice is an uphill battle. I hope in this boys case his family or someone taking his side knows several on the School Board, or someone with influence over the board.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Sep 27, 2009 1:29 AM GMT
    I hadn't heard about this in the mainsteam media... it should be on the TODAY SHOW or the nightly news. I think its outragious. By the time its over, I hope that kid shows what decent teachers stand for.....

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    Sep 27, 2009 1:48 AM GMT



    Perhaps his parents (or him) should explain to the school admin that should suicide be attempted the costs, monetary and otherwise to the school and teachers, will be enormous.