*TONEX, gospel singer and pastor comes out! There's hope yet ...

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    Sep 28, 2009 2:05 AM GMT
    http://blog.beliefnet.com/gospelsoundcheck/2009/09/gospelrb-artist-tonex-opens-up.html
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    Sep 28, 2009 2:12 AM GMT
    This is good news in regards to bringing together an equilibrium between the gay, black, and religious communities.
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    Sep 28, 2009 2:25 AM GMT
    Thanks for posting,,
    Talk about opening a can of worms,,WHEW...
    It seems to be just fine when the preacher man screws the entire female congregation, but homosexuality is looked upon as the only sin in their eyes.
    Go Figure.......

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    Sep 28, 2009 3:20 AM GMT
    A HUGE thanks to Blackguy4you for posting this. This really did me some good.

    I, too, am a Pastor's son. Pentecostal denomination. And can understand and sympathize with his situation. I was never a national recording artist, not molested, nor married (to a woman, of course!). But for those who were not brought up going to church, being a pastor's son is, in a warped way, like a family owned business. There comes a time in your personal evolution where not only your family, but the congregation see you moving towards taking over the church.

    It was crystal clear in my head as of Grade 6 (outdoor school, swimming, a hot guy taking off his Speedo, instant boner - AHHHHHHHHHHH) that something just wasn't right. But like many a kid I repressed those UNGODLY thoughts because I knew as per the many ministers that preached up the wildest gospel storms possible: God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!! So it wasn't until second year university and my many attempts to keep on the straight and narrow path of a virtuous life (no pun intended) that I finally came out. The real quest was the years it took to fathom that God could love me just the way I am.

    To jakebenson, I agree it's good news. But it unfortunately doesn't bring together an equilibrium between the mentioned communities. If anything, many parents would and will be outraged and discourage them from listening to and supporting such artists. And you can bet some kids would get a good whooping if they persisted to listen to him!!

    To jgymnast733, a quick clarification. Homosexuality in the church isn't just a sin in their eyes, it's... it's... it's... AN ABOMINATION! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Sep 28, 2009 3:44 AM GMT
    I heard about this from Rod 2.0 a while ago. You guys should check out his site. He is always doing stuff about men of color.

    And Spike, I hear ya. I might as well had been one. The preacher and his family were so close to my Mom and my grandparents, my brother and I were sent to all church events. And church camp almost every summer. It took a while for me to come to terms with being gay and accepting it.
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    Balljunkie saidI heard about this from Rod 2.0 a while ago. You guys should check out his site. He is always doing stuff about men of color.

    And Spike, I hear ya. I might as well had been one. The preacher and his family were so close to my Mom and my grandparents, my brother and I were sent to all church events. And church camp almost every summer. It took a while for me to come to terms with being gay and accepting it.


    Can I suggest that you post some of the stuff from that Rod person here.

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    Sep 28, 2009 4:51 PM GMT
    It was interesting the back lash- all his concerts and speaking engagements were canceled. Certainly quite a reaction
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    Sep 28, 2009 5:20 PM GMT
    jgymnast733 saidThanks for posting,,
    Talk about opening a can of worms,,WHEW...
    It seems to be just fine when the preacher man screws the entire female congregation, but homosexuality is looked upon as the only sin in their eyes.
    Go Figure.......



    quite welcome.

    yeah i find quite a dichotomy in the church and i'm saying this as a christian. the ex preacher husband of 'prophetess" juanita bynum just remarried! this is something that the bible is adamantly opposed to. yet this preacher did it and i'm sure he is one of the ones railing against homosexuality. and i'm sure his congregation is still following him

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    Sep 28, 2009 6:47 PM GMT
    The worse thing is to be gay in the black church. You can screw everybody and they mama, get multiple kids, but you cannot have sex with a man. That is a big no-no.
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    Balljunkie saidI heard about this from Rod 2.0 a while ago. You guys should check out his site. He is always doing stuff about men of color.

    And Spike, I hear ya. I might as well had been one. The preacher and his family were so close to my Mom and my grandparents, my brother and I were sent to all church events. And church camp almost every summer. It took a while for me to come to terms with being gay and accepting it.


    Rod 2.0 is a great blog, I highly recommend it.

    Good for Tonex to come out but... who is NOT gay in a gospel choir, please?
    I dated and met some singers, and they said the were not "out". As if...
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    Sep 28, 2009 7:24 PM GMT
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    Balljunkie saidI heard about this from Rod 2.0 a while ago. You guys should check out his site. He is always doing stuff about men of color.

    And Spike, I hear ya. I might as well had been one. The preacher and his family were so close to my Mom and my grandparents, my brother and I were sent to all church events. And church camp almost every summer. It took a while for me to come to terms with being gay and accepting it.


    Rod 2.0 is a great blog, I highly recommend it.

    Good for Tonex to come out but... who is NOT gay in a gospel choir, please?
    I dated and met some singers, and they said the were not "out". As if...


    yeah what about donnie mcclurkin? wasn't there some stuff about him as well?
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    Sep 28, 2009 10:21 PM GMT
    He's from my hometown and trust me. We all knew.
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    Sep 28, 2009 10:29 PM GMT
    JakeBenson saidThis is good news in regards to bringing together an equilibrium between the gay, black, and religious communities.


    Unfortunately, because of the anti-church rhetoric that comes out of the gay community it is not likely. The gay community, for the most part, does not connect with the black community or the church. However, in the black community, gay people are often heavily involved in the church but tend to keep their sexuality to themselves.
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    Sep 28, 2009 10:33 PM GMT
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    marsupial said
    Balljunkie saidI heard about this from Rod 2.0 a while ago. You guys should check out his site. He is always doing stuff about men of color.

    And Spike, I hear ya. I might as well had been one. The preacher and his family were so close to my Mom and my grandparents, my brother and I were sent to all church events. And church camp almost every summer. It took a while for me to come to terms with being gay and accepting it.


    Rod 2.0 is a great blog, I highly recommend it.

    Good for Tonex to come out but... who is NOT gay in a gospel choir, please?
    I dated and met some singers, and they said the were not "out". As if...


    yeah what about donnie mcclurkin? wasn't there some stuff about him as well?



    Mr McClurkin was "reformed." icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 28, 2009 10:37 PM GMT
    To be honest.... I'm surprised that he went "undetected" for so long.
    His stage persona was quite...."flamboyant." Good for him for finally
    being true to himself. I've got a lot of Pastors in my family. None of them
    dare say anything about me being gay out of fear of me calling them
    out on some of their " unGodly" attributes. I hate double standards. icon_twisted.gif
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    Sep 28, 2009 10:44 PM GMT
    ManMachine23 saidTo be honest.... I'm surprised that he went "undetected" for so long.
    His stage persona was quite...."flamboyant." Good for him for finally
    being true to himself. I've got a lot of Pastors in my family. None of them
    dare say anything about me being gay out of fear of me calling them
    out on some of their " unGodly" attributes. I hate double standards. icon_twisted.gif


    He didn't go undetected. He didn't really hide it that much. He knew a lot other gay black men and in San Diego if you know one you know everyone just about. The gay black community in San Diego is pretty small.
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    Sep 28, 2009 10:48 PM GMT
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    ManMachine23 saidTo be honest.... I'm surprised that he went "undetected" for so long.
    His stage persona was quite...."flamboyant." Good for him for finally
    being true to himself. I've got a lot of Pastors in my family. None of them
    dare say anything about me being gay out of fear of me calling them
    out on some of their " unGodly" attributes. I hate double standards. icon_twisted.gif


    He didn't go undetected. He didn't really hide it that much. He knew a lot other gay black men and in San Diego if you know one you know everyone just about. The gay black community in San Diego is pretty small.



    I stand corrected. I guess I just knew a few gospel fans who claimed
    my gaydar was off when I first heard him.
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    Sep 28, 2009 11:52 PM GMT
    Church queens and their invisible closets. I can count how many sermons I have heard about the gays going to hell with the choir members and some of the clergy obviously being gay.

    And keeping their sexuality to themselves and sitting in a black homophobic church has got to be grinding on your self-esteem. After a while, you are going to believe that you are going to hell.

    But when you grow up going to that church all your life, you feel a sense of guilt by missing service.
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    Sep 28, 2009 11:53 PM GMT
    joeyveras saidHe's from my hometown and trust me. We all knew.


    who is from yr home town? donnie or tonex?
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    ManMachine23 said
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    Balljunkie saidI heard about this from Rod 2.0 a while ago. You guys should check out his site. He is always doing stuff about men of color.

    And Spike, I hear ya. I might as well had been one. The preacher and his family were so close to my Mom and my grandparents, my brother and I were sent to all church events. And church camp almost every summer. It took a while for me to come to terms with being gay and accepting it.


    Rod 2.0 is a great blog, I highly recommend it.

    Good for Tonex to come out but... who is NOT gay in a gospel choir, please?
    I dated and met some singers, and they said the were not "out". As if...


    yeah what about donnie mcclurkin? wasn't there some stuff about him as well?


    Mr McClurkin was "reformed." icon_rolleyes.gif


    reformed? how? what does that mean? did he use some holy water?
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    Sep 28, 2009 11:56 PM GMT
    Balljunkie saidChurch queens and their invisible closets. I can count how many sermons I have heard about the gays going to hell with the choir members and some of the clergy obviously being gay.

    And keeping their sexuality to themselves and sitting in a black homophobic church has got to be grinding on your self-esteem. After a while, you are going to believe that you are going to hell.

    But when you grow up going to that church all your life, you feel a sense of guilt by missing service.


    well ted haggard preached it and what was he doing?
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    Sep 29, 2009 12:01 AM GMT
    Balljunkie saidChurch queens and their invisible closets. I can count how many sermons I have heard about the gays going to hell with the choir members and some of the clergy obviously being gay.

    And keeping their sexuality to themselves and sitting in a black homophobic church has got to be grinding on your self-esteem. After a while, you are going to believe that you are going to hell.

    But when you grow up going to that church all your life, you feel a sense of guilt by missing service.




    Many of my friends are those people in the choir. We tend to be comforted by our relationship with God even in the face of harsh words from a minister. They're just a man themselves. When it comes down to it, it's about that relationship you have with God.
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    Balljunkie saidChurch queens and their invisible closets. I can count how many sermons I have heard about the gays going to hell with the choir members and some of the clergy obviously being gay.

    And keeping their sexuality to themselves and sitting in a black homophobic church has got to be grinding on your self-esteem. After a while, you are going to believe that you are going to hell.

    But when you grow up going to that church all your life, you feel a sense of guilt by missing service.


    Many of my friends are those people in the choir. We tend to be comforted by our relationship with God even in the face of harsh words from a minister. They're just a man themselves. When it comes down to it, it's about that relationship you have with God.


    true that - it is a personal realtionship. as the ole folks say - God don't have no grand children.
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    Sep 29, 2009 12:05 AM GMT
    So why continue attending that church if you have a "man" standing up there preaching about your damnation? I left my last church because the preacher was doing that along with constantly begging for money.

    And how can you really feel that you content with your relationship with God when you have a preacher standing there telling you more often than not that you need to repent and that you are living in sin? And when you point out lying or adultery are sins, he still says "sin is sin", and that you should turn away from sinning.
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    Sep 29, 2009 12:14 AM GMT
    Balljunkie saidSo why continue attending that church if you have a "man" standing up there preaching about your damnation? I left my last church because the preacher was doing that along with constantly begging for money.

    And how can you really feel that you content with your relationship with God when you have a preacher standing there telling you more often than not that you need to repent and that you are living in sin? And when you point out lying or adultery are sins, he still says "sin is sin", and that you should turn away from sinning.


    it's the price of admission... one of those things that savage guy talks about, when he's talking about finding true love. preachers preach a lot of things i don't agree with. i take what i need from the sermon and discard the rest. faith in Christ is the raison d'etre. not being gay or what someone else have to say about it.