LA vs. NYC (or Westcoast vs. Eastcoast): Pros/Cons?

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    Sep 29, 2009 6:58 PM GMT
    Let me start off by saying that I don't consider one city necessarily superior to another one, nor completely negative, but after visiting recently I've been thinking about how different they are. I'd like to hear what some of you guys think about both places in terms of the city, people, culture, nightlife, or in general. Do you favor one over the other and if so, why? Any feedback appreciated!

    NYC: (Pros) Rich history, densely populated, good public transportation, great nightlife, good looking people, can get by without a car; (Cons) people can be rude/discurteous, superiority complex, people can be ignorant, densely populated, aged public infrastructure, extremely expensive, a bit polluted.

    LA: (Pros) Sunny, great weather, chilled vibe, attractive people, great access to mountains and beaches, anything-goes attitude; (Cons) people try too hard/fake, too spread out, culturally questionable, people can be ignorant of life outside of the city/state (this can also be said of NYC), extremely polluted, very segregated.
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    Sep 29, 2009 7:23 PM GMT
    lol .. it looks like you have it pegged pretty well. I guess though I would be biased to the west coast simply because the more relaxed attitude of Californians. Also California has a variety of climates and environments within the state. My guess would be that NYC has a better nightlife, but I guess you have to ask how much nightlife you really want. And public transportation is better in NYC I am sure.
  • timgoblue

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    Sep 29, 2009 7:27 PM GMT
    Do you really think New Yorkers are rude/discourteous? I don't, I think we're pretty nice, maybe a little direct and straightforward, but that is a good thing. I always see New Yorkers helping tourists with directions on the street, sometimes just going up and asking if they need help when they are looking at a map.

    I think this is just a myth or stereotype that started a while ago and everyone just kind of accepted as fact.
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    Sep 29, 2009 7:29 PM GMT
    Fair enough...just one thing I have to argue...the NYers are rude myth.

    In general, NYers are not rude, at least not natives. I had an out-of-town visitor figure it out. He said, it' not that we're rude, it's that we always have someplace to go, and are always in a hurry to get there. So when tourists block an entire sidewalk and force us to walk in the street, dodging taxis and insane bike messengers, yeah, we're going to get iritated. We're also very private people as a whole, so we're not going to engage in a lengthy conversation with complete strangers either, lol.

    I think most of the bad stereotypes come from people who move to NYC from other places. These are the people who think they're better than everyone else and that they're somehow special because they live here now. A native NYer mostly take for granted that they live here..it's our hometown, just like your hometown is yours

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    Sep 29, 2009 7:43 PM GMT
    If you're an outdoor or sports enthusiast, LA is a better pick. Drive 20 minutes west and you're at the beach. Drive an hour or east, you're in the desert. Drive another hour or so, and you're at the local mountains. And the weather is always good.

    About the fakeness of the people. I feel that I have to put this on a billboard or request to add it to the tourist brochures. But the fake people that you meet out here are not real Angelinos. They're transplants from other states that came to LA to seek their fame and fortune. They're fakers that live a life that revolves around keeping up appearances. If you ever meet someone that claims to be from LA, you should ask them how long they've lived there. If it's less than 10 years, then they're still a tourist. icon_lol.gif

    I have to agree that things are too spread out. But I like it. The traffic and the driving kinda suck, but I think I would feel a little claustrophobic in NYC.
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    Sep 29, 2009 7:53 PM GMT
    Here is the 3 cities I love the most. Lived in LA, visited NYC many times - currently in SF (loving it here).

    LA - great warm weather, beaches, nightlife, Hollywood lifestyle, segregated between the rich & the poor, people can be fake/plastic/LA types, a great town if you have a car, if not, don't even think about public transportation, Cheaper standard of living, good job market, less competition. Too spread out, too big of a town. (Hollywood/Film culture)

    NYC - too cold, too expensive, too much fast-paced, too much everything, great culture, nightlife, biggest US city, great transportation/public system, it'd be hell if you have a car, people can be very rude NYers, high standard of living, very competitive job market. Most compacted densely US city. (East Coast Culture)

    S.F. - laid back, beautiful setting, cool/chill CA people, professionals, good nightlife, big gay mecca, weather a bit foggy/sunny, can be expensive but salary is high, good job market, competitive salary. 2nd most compacted US city. (very Asian-oriented Culture).

    * I think in the end, I'd pick West Coast over East Coast since the family is over here in Southern California. It's home! After all, LA is not that bad, I lived there before. icon_wink.gif
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    Sep 29, 2009 8:22 PM GMT
    Both responses defending LA and NYC blame transplants and claim that natives are nice people. While they're valid points, if there are large numbers of transplants in that city it makes no difference whether transplants are rude/fake or the natives are, they are all residents of that city. If your city cannot tame transplants to be civil/genuine then that counts against your city.

    Being a non-big-city guy, I wouldn't live in either places. One big benefit of SF Bay Area is that it doesn't feel like a big city although it has most of the cultural and economic trappings of one. Each side of the bay and each valley in the suburbs feels like a smaller urban area that is more intimate, more manageable, less crowded, healthier. People here are laid back, not pressurized/self-important like NYC but more genuine and culturally astute than LA. We don't have great night life but that's about the only drawback.
  • swimbikerun

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    Sep 29, 2009 9:17 PM GMT
    Well one theme is true: those who move to Los Angeles from elsewhere outside of California adopt a 'SoCal' attitude, which, as a native I can say was not developed here but imported like some kind of stinky fungus.

    One of the most challenging things I hear from people who've moved here and have lived here for years is that it is hard to find true connections with people.

    People are 'air-kiss-to-the-cheek-friendly' and are often of the 'fair-weather' friend variety, often showing up very late (or never) to social engagements.

    But, we have nice weather. Oh, and 'Nobody Walk In L.A.'/'Only A Nobody Walks In L.A.'


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    Sep 29, 2009 9:18 PM GMT
    People that like this city most, usually grew up near it (borough, suburb,etc) but not in it. The city they like least is the most common rival (i.e. NY/LA).

    People that grew up in this city could care less what anyone thinks about it since they already know all about it.

    People love this city most when they grew up in the boondocks and couldn't wait to get away into the 'big city'.

    People who hate this city most are the ones that came to it thinking it was going to be like Emerald City and it turned out to be more like Skid Row. They went crawling home beaten and unenlightened.

    Less than 1 out of 50 people you meet in this city, whether at work or play, will be originally from this city.
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    Sep 29, 2009 9:21 PM GMT
    I live in LA and don't find people to be fake at all. I also don't hang out at cheesy places where cheesy people dwell. There is of course a huge contingency of industry-oriented people who pretty much suck at life - but you have a choice whether to spend time in the company of these people. There are also tons of creative, interesting, unpretentious artists who come to LA. I always feel that the person who complains about everyone in LA being fake really isn't looking hard enough.

    As far as the original post is concerned, I love both cities. I find them really similar in a lot of ways. They're both very intense, exciting and draining places to be. I find myself very tired at the end of each day when I am either in LA or NYC.
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    Sep 29, 2009 9:38 PM GMT
    A few years ago, an experiment was done. I think the other test city was Atlanta.

    They put several people near each other on the streets of both New York and Atlanta, some asking for directions, some asking for handouts, etc.

    They found New Yorkers to generally be more responsive. They found that Atlantans were overall more likely to respond to the first person, but by the time they got to the third or fourth, they scored much higher on the ignore scale.

    One reason why New Yorkers have a reputation for being rude is that when you live here, you get so used to people asking for money or trying to scam you or who just seem crazy. You get used to people asking for directions or for the time but who really want something else. So if you have a bad feeling, you ignore.

    Basically, the surmise was that if people in other cities had to deal with the stuff people who live in New York deal with regularly as they walk on the streets, they'd also behave rudely.

    In fact, even though I'm a native New Yorker, occasionally I need to ask directions if I'm downtown where the streets are named, not numbered, and it can get confusing. I generally find people to be helpful when I have to do that. (I had to do it just last week.)
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    Sep 29, 2009 9:57 PM GMT
    Jackal69 saidLet me start off by saying that I don't consider one city necessarily superior to another one, nor completely negative, but after visiting recently I've been thinking about how different they are. I'd like to hear what some of you guys think about both places in terms of the city, people, culture, nightlife, or in general. Do you favor one over the other and if so, why? Any feedback appreciated!

    NYC: (Pros) Rich history, densely populated, good public transportation, great nightlife, good looking people, can get by without a car; (Cons) people can be rude/discurteous, superiority complex, people can be ignorant, densely populated, aged public infrastructure, extremely expensive, a bit polluted.

    LA: (Pros) Sunny, great weather, chilled vibe, attractive people, great access to mountains and beaches, anything-goes attitude; (Cons) people try too hard/fake, too spread out, culturally questionable, people can be ignorant of life outside of the city/state (this can also be said of NYC), extremely polluted, very segregated.


    hey watch it byyyytch!!!!!! rude? who da hell is rude?????????????????????icon_question.gif

    i just helped 2 stupid tourists find their way today icon_razz.gificon_razz.gif
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    Sep 29, 2009 9:59 PM GMT
    don't like LA ... it's too something that makes me uncomfortable

    it's too open! it takes too long to get around anywhere!!!!!!

    NY NY NY - let's hear it for NY
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    Sep 29, 2009 10:01 PM GMT
    According to my father, there's only 1 city in the world, New York. Everything else is just something else but not really a city. It's one of few things he and I ever agreed on.
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    McGay saidAccording to my father, there's only 1 city in the world, New York. Everything else is just something else but not really a city. It's one of few things he and I ever agreed on.


    You father is a brilliant man. do you mind if i submit his name for a nobel?
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    Sep 29, 2009 10:05 PM GMT
    He had his moments.
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    Sep 29, 2009 10:09 PM GMT
    I don't know why people get excited about some giant french chick standing in the middle of the river all green and shit.

    If NJ was really smart about claiming property, they'd go to war with NY and take Manhattan (and then Berlin).
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    Sep 29, 2009 10:11 PM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidFor San Francisco. It is a CRAPPY city in the United States. In the movie they show how beautiful San Francisco is, but in reality San Francisco is so ghetto. There are so many Asian people and they drive me nuts. Black people in Oakland are rude! So many disgusting mean fat Hispanic gangsta wanna be in Hayward. Bay Area is definitely not a great place to live in. So many old buildings and freeways need to updated.


    What a crappy attitude and racist. Grow up or shut up.
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    Sep 29, 2009 10:12 PM GMT
    NYC over LA for me not just because I live here but because its just a more fundamentally sound city. Just may be the best transportation system in the world..... Central Park..... there are 18,696 restaurants in nyc which means it would take you 51.2 years to eat at every one everyday! So manny national monuments. close to 3 states(50 or so miles) Just a better city..... also the place of the most opportunity!


    NYC is THE best!

    Just listen to Empire State of Mind! Great Song from a GREAT city!
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    Sep 29, 2009 10:19 PM GMT
    TattooJock saidNYC over LA for me not just because I live here but because its just a more fundamentally sound city. Just may be the best transportation system in the world..... Central Park..... there are 18,696 restaurants in nyc which means it would take you 51.2 years to eat at every one everyday! So manny national monuments. close to 3 states(50 or so miles) Just a better city..... also the place of the most opportunity!


    NYC is THE best!

    Just listen to Empire State of Mind! Great Song from a GREAT city!


    About 10 years ago, it was reported that people at least from 120 different countries lived in Queens, making it almost definitely the most diverse area of its size in the world. Now it's probably even more so.

    This is one of the reasons why you can also probably find more different national cuisines among the restaurants in the five boroughs than in any other city in the world.
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    Sep 29, 2009 10:27 PM GMT
    Y'know, sxy, not to attack you or anything, but really, your comment about SF contained a lot of racism or classism. When you find yourself making judgements like that, change a couple of variables and see if you're still saying the same thing. You say black people in Oakland are rude. Are nonblack people in Oakland rude? If Oakland was filled with rich black people would you say rude or use another adjective, like eccentric? There's a reason for your perceptions and it's not that the people are black or asian. Have you ever ventured into a poor white neighborhood? Have you ever ventured into a really rich white neighborhood? If not, you don't know rude.
  • dantoujours

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    Sep 29, 2009 10:28 PM GMT
    I've lived in both Los Angeles and am now in New York.

    You just can't generalize. Living in Manhattan Beach is a completely different lifestyle than Van Nuys which is different than Sierra Madre which is different than downtown LA.

    When my friends come visit me now in New York and spend time in my Brooklyn Heights neighbourhood they are very surprised at how green, leafy, warm, friendly, chilled and neighbourly it is. It's very very different experience than the hustle and bustle of parts of Manhattan that are less than a mile away. If you don't like Brooklyn Hts you can try Greenwich, CT or Asbury Park, NJ or Bayshore. New York is way more than a studio flat in Chelsea and people who live here have very different lifestyles and experiences.

    You just have to make an inventory of what's important for you. If sunny weather is at the top of your list, New York isn't the place for you. The weather is different here almost every day. If you want tonnes of world class museums, culture, music and plays within easy reach then New York is better than LA or SFO.

    It's an individual choice. You'll find ignorant people in both cities. You'll find rudeness everywhere and you'll find superiority complexes everywhere (It was like leaving a religious cult when I moved out of California. My friends there couldn't believe I could leave a place with such great weather and kept saying that I would eventually come to my senses and move back.)

  • jarhead5536

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    Sep 29, 2009 10:30 PM GMT
    I vote New York all the way. My favorite lifestyle by far is gritty urban over endless summer. I grew up on the beach so I can take it or leave it...
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    Sep 29, 2009 10:36 PM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidNew York City steal New Jersey's Island! The Statute of Liberty Island. It is not in New York's border. Shame on New Yorkers.


    Read your history. Bedloe's Island was owned by New York since 1664 before the U.S. even became a country and New Jersey was established as a state by charter. All the original islands in New York Harbour have this status.

    There was a conflict between the State of New York and New Jersey over the landfill expansion section of Ellis Island that was decided in favour of New Jersey but the original part of Ellis Island is still in New York.

    It's all moot anyway since both islands are administered by the Federal Government as part of the Parks system.
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    Sep 29, 2009 10:40 PM GMT
    sxydrkhair said
    MtndudeSF said
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    What a crappy attitude and racist. Grow up or shut up.


    Sorry if i offended you Mtndude... That's how I see them in the Bay Area. I am cool with Asian, White, Black and Hispanic people here in Phoenix. They are different than people from the Bay Area.


    Here is my 2 cents - trying to be neutral/constructive criticism.

    Just because you're cool with the People back in your city - it doesn't make it right to Diss or trash talk people in other cities (ex. SF). Don't you think you need to look in yourself first for inner demons (if you have any) before dissing out some outlandish racist/judgmental comments/attitudes? icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif