Chicago lost???

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    Oct 02, 2009 4:10 PM GMT
    You know the cons are going to make a big deal about this....The bid cost...the image damage to the pres...

    What do you think?
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    Oct 02, 2009 4:16 PM GMT
    Big trouble for Obama. Clearly someone at the IOC deceived him, since a US President wouldn't attend the presentation if he didn't have a strong indication of likely success. To be eliminated early suggests a trap.

    Or else Obama was badly advised by his own people, in which case they should go. Let's see if any depart the Admin in the months ahead, for "personal" or "family" reasons.

    But yeah, the Repubs will make a political windfall of this, including the usual partisans here on RJ. And the radical talk show types will have a field day. Too bad, since I admire Obama for the courage to make the attempt on our behalf. To have made no effort would merit greater criticism, in my view.
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    Oct 02, 2009 4:41 PM GMT
    I really hope Rio has it, as only Australia has ever hosted an Olympics south of the equator.

    But, if I was the IOC, I wouldn't have given it to Chicago either. We just hosted an Olympics in 2002, and again in 1996. I wouldn't let the president walk on in and strong arm me, darn it!
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    Oct 02, 2009 4:51 PM GMT
    Thankfully, the Huffington Post led with this picture...

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    Oct 02, 2009 4:52 PM GMT
    I hope Rio gets it: both because latin america has never had it and also because Spain is in too bad a state economically. And so what if USA didn´t get it.
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    Oct 02, 2009 6:00 PM GMT
    Well Rio got it. It was announced earlier today. Chicago was knocked out in the 1st round, then Tokyo then Madrid.

    Come on now, US hosted too many times in the past and South America never host an Olympic games. Good for Brazil. icon_cool.gif
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    Oct 02, 2009 6:23 PM GMT
    I've been pulling for a North American summer games for a while now -- I'd love to actually get to go to a summer games, and that's far more likely if it's in North America, which hasn't happened since 1996 -- but I'm glad that if Chicago didn't get it, at least it went to Rio. Not only because South America has never had the games, but because at least it will be in a convenient time zone for me at some point. 2012 is London, 2008 was Beijing, 2004 was Athens, 2000 was Sydney. We have to go back to 1996 to get it within 5 time zones of the New World.

    I am somewhat amazed at the distribution of votes by continent, though. 46 from Europe, 23 from Asia, 15 from Africa, 13 from North America, 5 from South America, and 4 from Oceania. It seems like Europe has a disproportionate representation, which may explain why 4 of the 10 most recently awarded summer games have gone to Europe (Moscow, Barcelona, Athens, and London, in order), while Asia has had 2 (Seoul and Beijing), North America has had 2 (Los Angeles and Atlanta), Oceania has had 1 (Sydney), and now South America has one (Rio).
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    Oct 02, 2009 6:31 PM GMT
    Hm, I think Asia hosted it 3 times - Tokyo in '64, Seoul '88, Beijing '08.
    North America hosted 6 times - (2 times in) Los Angeles '32, '84, Atlanta '96, Montreal '76, Mexico City '68, St. Louis 19'04.

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    Oct 02, 2009 6:35 PM GMT
    Since we didnt get it... I am kinda glad Rio did. They deserve it, and they have been a leader on a lot of issues in South America. Good for them.

    Go Brazil....
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    Oct 02, 2009 6:41 PM GMT
    I posted it up on CNN ealier so Im going to post it up again.

    "I’m glad that Chicago didn’t get past the first round. That city needs to, rather SHOULD OF, spent that money it spent on trying to get the Olympics in the first place on providing better saftey for its schools and the kids that go to them. Im pretty sure seeing that video of the poor kid get beat up in such a brutal and savage way didn’t play on their mind? And how much money did we as a nation spend in sending Obama and Mrs. Obama to lobby for Chicago? He wont sign on to a health care bill that adds to the defictes but its sure okay to spend money to fly, transport, personnal & other resources to support their visit to Denmark? And while he is out repaying political favors, people are going bankrupt from their medical billsm, dying in hospitals because they have no way to pay for their medical care, and our troops still await him to make a descision in reguards to Afganistan. Mr. President, start acting like a president… get back home, put your democrats in line, give us a public health care option and listen to your generals on the ground and give them the extra support they need now! As a proud Democrat that believes you have a chance to make real change and a real difference (and btw, that didnt vote for you), don’t lose the chance infront of you. No one more than myself wants to see our troops come home but so long as they are on the ground give them everything they neeed or bring them home."

    I really was hoping for Madrid though... My BF and I had it all planned. We stay with our famlies over there, we go to the openning ceremony, check out all the museums, art gals, travel around europe a bit, go to Ibiza, and the at some point or another we would see a men's swimming event. I think he wanted to see gymnatics but I dunno. lol.
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    Oct 02, 2009 6:44 PM GMT
    If your argument is based on street crime, Chicago's problems are not even in the same order of magnitude as Rio's. That seems like a red herring to me.
  • Sparkycat

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    Oct 02, 2009 6:46 PM GMT
    Those Olympics people have got balls. Forget about the president. They said no to Oprah!!
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    Oct 02, 2009 6:52 PM GMT
    absurd implication that obama was misled! king juan carlos and antonio samaranch were there for madrid, brazilian president da silva was present for rio, etc.... obama couldn't stay away... he was obliged to go, regardless of what anyone 'told him'.

    although recent reports of crime in chicago didn't help, 'safety' was a huge issue in the rio bid as well, so the argument that crime played a role is a weak one....

    it was writ in the stars that south america (i.e. rio) would get the games... it was time!
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    Oct 02, 2009 6:54 PM GMT
    Those Olympics people have got balls. Forget about the president. They said no to Oprah!!

    LOL, but then the IOC members aren't middle aged housewives either, so that may have had something to do with it.

  • jhill2456

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    Oct 02, 2009 7:10 PM GMT
    If you ask me the fix was in. The fact that Madrid made it to the final round knowing full well London was going to host the games in 2012 is just crazy. What were they even doing trying to get it this round anyway.

    If it could not be Chicago, then I'm glad it's Rio. It is only 1 hr ahead of New York so that means live TV.
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    Oct 02, 2009 7:22 PM GMT
    "It's time the games are held in a tropical country." -Lula, Brazilian president.

    I applaud Obama for touting America's diversity, but nowhere can match the diversity of Brazil.
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    Oct 02, 2009 7:26 PM GMT
    Australia is a tropical country - the tropic of Capricorn goes right through it.

    That said, I was going for Rio the entire time, and I'm glad they won. Will definitely have to visit now! Olympics - welcome back to the Southern Hemisphere.
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    Oct 02, 2009 7:35 PM GMT
    I honestly think Rio deserved it, though I was pulling for Chicago. That said, I still think Obama should have played a more low key role in his campaigning for Chicago. I think he hurt more than helped the cause. Way too much publicity surrounded his push for Chicago, and I believe it had a backfire effect in spite of how popular Obama is. I had a feeling this would happen, though I had no idea that Chicago would go out in the first round.
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    Oct 02, 2009 7:37 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI honestly think Rio deserved it, though I was pulling for Chicago. That said, I still think Obama should have played a more low key role in his campaigning for Chicago. I think he hurt more than helped the cause. Way too much publicity surrounded his push for Chicago. I had a feeling this would happen, though I had no idea that Chicago would go out in the first round.


    That's what you are saying now. It is quite easy to be an arm chair quarter back isn't it?

    I wonder what you would be saying if Chicago had won...
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    Oct 02, 2009 7:38 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidThat said, I still think Obama should have played a more low key role in his campaigning for Chicago. I think he hurt more than helped the cause. Way too much publicity surrounded his push for Chicago.


    I honestly don't think that was created by Obama - it was the media (yet again), and the hoo-har from the Republicans with the "there are more pressing issues here in the U. S. of A!" rubbish. I seriously don't think Obama put a foot wrong; it was just out of his control and Rio was the better bribe.......er......bid. icon_cool.gif
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    Oct 02, 2009 7:41 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]Blackguy4you said[/cite]
    CuriousJockAZ saidI honestly think Rio deserved it, though I was pulling for Chicago. That said, I still think Obama should have played a more low key role in his campaigning for Chicago. I think he hurt more than helped the cause. Way too much publicity surrounded his push for Chicago. I had a feeling this would happen, though I had no idea that Chicago would go out in the first round.


    That's what you are saying now. It is quite easy to be an arm chair quarter back isn't it?

    I wonder what you would be saying if Chicago had won...[/quote]




    I would have been thrilled for Chicago. I lived in L.A. during the '84 games and it was incredibly exciting. I remember thinking as soon as it was announced that Obama was going over to campaign the cause that this was not a good move. I wasn't surprised at all that it turned out this way. Obama needs to become more savvy as to how much the media's coverage of him can have repercussions. Even so, since South America has never hosted a games, I think they deserved it.
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    Oct 02, 2009 7:43 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said I remember thinking as soon as it was announced that Obama was going over to campaign the cause that this was not a good move. I wasn't surprised at all that it turned out this way.


    I don't think your point is valid since, (as already stated in this thread), the leaders from the other bidding cities/countries were also present.

    If you have data on European (not US) media blowing everything out of proportion and are drawing some conclusion that this in turn influenced the IOC, then let's see it.
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    Oct 02, 2009 7:51 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said[quote][cite]Blackguy4you said[/cite]
    CuriousJockAZ saidI honestly think Rio deserved it, though I was pulling for Chicago. That said, I still think Obama should have played a more low key role in his campaigning for Chicago. I think he hurt more than helped the cause. Way too much publicity surrounded his push for Chicago. I had a feeling this would happen, though I had no idea that Chicago would go out in the first round.


    That's what you are saying now. It is quite easy to be an arm chair quarter back isn't it?

    I wonder what you would be saying if Chicago had won...[/quote]




    I would have been thrilled for Chicago. I lived in L.A. during the '84 games and it was incredibly exciting. I remember thinking as soon as it was announced that Obama was going over to campaign the cause that this was not a good move. I wasn't surprised at all that it turned out this way. Obama needs to become more savvy as to how much the media's coverage of him can have repercussions. Even so, since South America has never hosted a games, I think they deserved it.


    The Japanese prime minister campaigned for Tokyo.
    Luiz Inacio Lula the president of Brazil campaigned for his city.

    There's nothing wrong for the president of a country to campaign for his country to host the games.

    Had Obama not done this and Chicago still lost - people would be now singing the tune - he should have campaigned.

    This shit is becoming tiresome and annoying! Damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

    The IOC is a corrupt organization anyhow….
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    Oct 02, 2009 8:01 PM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ said I remember thinking as soon as it was announced that Obama was going over to campaign the cause that this was not a good move. I wasn't surprised at all that it turned out this way.


    I don't think your point is valid since, (as already stated in this thread), the leaders from the other bidding cities/countries were also present.

    If you have data on European (not US) media blowing everything out of proportion and are drawing some conclusion that this in turn influenced the IOC, then let's see it.



    I'm well aware of the leaders of other countries campaigning for their countries. However, there is a great big difference in "those other countries" and the "USA". Sorry, but I think it's perceived differently and judged more harshly whenever the USA does anything. The President of the United States carries a great deal more weight than Japan, Brazil, Spain, whoever, and the President needs to pick his battles wisely when throwing that weight around. I think the smarter approach for Obama would have been to campaign behind the scenes a little less high profile rather than the over-the-top approach of both him and Michelle, not to mention Oprah, pulling out all the stops and flying over there to campaign for it. It had BACKFIRE written all over it pretty much from the get-go.
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    Oct 02, 2009 8:06 PM GMT
    The IOC also failed to heed the mighty prophetess Oprah.