How come I got stretch marks all of a sudden!?

  • ShagonTheHate

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    Oct 03, 2009 6:25 PM GMT
    icon_eek.gif Today is a scary day... Long story short, I've been bulking for about 3.5 months now, gained about let's say 16kg, LUCKILY only 2-3% body fat (I'd say I'm at about 15-16% now), I didn't really use any moisturizer till now because it was summer and I was sweating all the time so I would have been just too greasy. During colder days my skin is very dry though... For the last 20 days or so I gained maybe 1kg because I wasn't eating that much cause I'm preparing to cut now. And now, today, I wake up and find stretch marks on my right under arm, and I'm sure they weren't there 4 days ago because I was looking at the same spot. Thank God they're on a spot so that they're not visible and they're tiny really, still I'm going to freak out if they spread.

    So, I'm kinda lost here, stretch marks are supposed to occur during fast weight gain (sometimes weight loss, too) because the skin just can't keep up... I do remember that I worked my triceps a little harder during the last two weeks (and experienced some odd skin pain during lifting) so they're really pumped up and sore, can it be that my skin ruptured during the heavy lifting? I mean I've had sore muscles before, but never got stretch marks from that, that would mean I could litterally get them even when I maintain weight, but lift heavy icon_confused.gif .
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    Oct 03, 2009 9:16 PM GMT
    Wear them with pride, they're a sign of progress icon_biggrin.gif
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 03, 2009 9:24 PM GMT
    steelinium saidive gotten a few stretch marks. If u crush tylenol into powder mix it with a little bit of water and rub it into ur skin where the stretch marks it helps make them disappear.



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  • ShagonTheHate

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    Oct 03, 2009 9:33 PM GMT
    I've started using shea butter at night and a mix of blackthorn-borage-rose oil in the morning, because cold dry weather is coming and I fear I'll get scars on my dry skin from lifting just about anything. It's curious how most people tend to bulk up during winter when the skin is dryer and more prone to rupturing.icon_confused.gif
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    steelinium saidive gotten a few stretch marks. If u crush tylenol into powder mix it with a little bit of water and rub it into ur skin where the stretch marks it helps make them disappear.


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    Oct 03, 2009 9:45 PM GMT
    You need to ease back on the roids

    Stretch marks are an indication that your musculature is growing at a faster rate than your skin can cope.
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    Oct 03, 2009 9:47 PM GMT
    ShagonTheHate saidicon_eek.gif Today is a scary day... Long story short, I've been bulking for about 3.5 months now, gained about let's say 16kg, LUCKILY only 2-3% body fat (I'd say I'm at about 15-16% now), I didn't really use any moisturizer till now because it was summer and I was sweating all the time so I would have been just too greasy. During colder days my skin is very dry though... For the last 20 days or so I gained maybe 1kg because I wasn't eating that much cause I'm preparing to cut now. And now, today, I wake up and find stretch marks on my right under arm, and I'm sure they weren't there 4 days ago because I was looking at the same spot. Thank God they're on a spot so that they're not visible and they're tiny really, still I'm going to freak out if they spread.

    So, I'm kinda lost here, stretch marks are supposed to occur during fast weight gain (sometimes weight loss, too) because the skin just can't keep up... I do remember that I worked my triceps a little harder during the last two weeks (and experienced some odd skin pain during lifting) so they're really pumped up and sore, can it be that my skin ruptured during the heavy lifting? I mean I've had sore muscles before, but never got stretch marks from that, that would mean I could litterally get them even when I maintain weight, but lift heavy icon_confused.gif .


    Some folks have skin that breaks more easily than others. It doesn't stretch. I wouldn't sweat the stretch marks. They'll fade some, in time, otherwise, they're more of a sign of progress. It means you're doing something right.

    Many women swear by coco butter. Others say vitamin E oil works. Others like aloe. You'll probably want to google on stretch marks.

    No need for anything expensive. The cheap stuff from Walmart will work just fine, if at all.

    If you want to avoid stretch marks you can gain weight more slowly, but, like I said, some folks have skin that just doesn't expand well.

    I don't have stretch marks, yet, I've been 5'5", and 230#, and I've lifted for 34 years (I'm 49). I don't get them. flex89, the roomie, gets them real bad.

    The stretch marks mean you're becoming a real boy. Congratulations!

    View the stretch marks as endearment, Little Buddy (well, not quite as little as before).

    I'd discourage you from crushing up pain relievers, especially Tylenol as it's hepatoxic, and NOT anti-inflammatory. There's not much science there. Just try to keep it soft as best as you can, but, like I said, embrace those stretch marks...you earned them..time to be a real boy.
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    Oct 03, 2009 10:53 PM GMT
    The following information on stretch marks (Striae Distensae) is from a sports medicine lecture I attended. The lecture was about common dermatologic problems in athletes

    When skin is stretched rapidly beyond it's elastic limit, stretch marks (striae) will develop.

    Stretch marks are more likely to develop in body areas where subcutaneous fat is more common...upper arms, abdomen, thighs and buttocks

    Adolescents are predisposed to striae because of rapid growth and hormonal changes occurring in puberty. 70% of adolescent females, and 40% of adolescent males (many of whom participate in sports) have stretch marks.

    Stretch marks are more noticeable in fair skinned individuals than in darker skinned individuals

    There is a genetic component..some individuals have less elastic skin and are more prone to develop stretch marks

    Dry skin predisposes to stretch marks....use a moisturizer...drink plenty of water...caffeine can cause dehydration and may predispose to striae...cold winter weather, since it drys the skin, may worsen the problem

    Steroids will decrease skin elasticity. This includes both anabolic steroids (used in sports and bodybuilding) and glucocorticoids used for inflammatory conditions like asthma, arthritis, psoriasis etc .

    Stretch marks are most likely to respond to treatment in their early stage (striae rubra). Once they become white (striae alba), they are quite difficult to treat (lasers are used at this stage).

    The lecturer recommended intensive skin moisturization, vitamin C, fruit acids, and retinols (Vitamin A)... The retinol, Retin-A, was recommended, but it is available only by prescription. Retin-A is used for acne and wrinkle prevention.

    hope this helps
  • t0theheights

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    Oct 03, 2009 11:11 PM GMT
    chuckystud said
    ShagonTheHate saidicon_eek.gif Today is a scary day... Long story short, I've been bulking for about 3.5 months now, gained about let's say 16kg, LUCKILY only 2-3% body fat (I'd say I'm at about 15-16% now), I didn't really use any moisturizer till now because it was summer and I was sweating all the time so I would have been just too greasy. During colder days my skin is very dry though... For the last 20 days or so I gained maybe 1kg because I wasn't eating that much cause I'm preparing to cut now. And now, today, I wake up and find stretch marks on my right under arm, and I'm sure they weren't there 4 days ago because I was looking at the same spot. Thank God they're on a spot so that they're not visible and they're tiny really, still I'm going to freak out if they spread.

    So, I'm kinda lost here, stretch marks are supposed to occur during fast weight gain (sometimes weight loss, too) because the skin just can't keep up... I do remember that I worked my triceps a little harder during the last two weeks (and experienced some odd skin pain during lifting) so they're really pumped up and sore, can it be that my skin ruptured during the heavy lifting? I mean I've had sore muscles before, but never got stretch marks from that, that would mean I could litterally get them even when I maintain weight, but lift heavy icon_confused.gif .


    Some folks have skin that breaks more easily than others. It doesn't stretch. I wouldn't sweat the stretch marks. They'll fade some, in time, otherwise, they're more of a sign of progress. It means you're doing something right.

    Many women swear by coco butter. Others say vitamin E oil works. Others like aloe. You'll probably want to google on stretch marks.

    No need for anything expensive. The cheap stuff from Walmart will work just fine, if at all.

    If you want to avoid stretch marks you can gain weight more slowly, but, like I said, some folks have skin that just doesn't expand well.

    I don't have stretch marks, yet, I've been 5'5", and 230#, and I've lifted for 34 years (I'm 49). I don't get them. flex89, the roomie, gets them real bad.

    The stretch marks mean you're becoming a real boy. Congratulations!

    View the stretch marks as endearment, Little Buddy (well, not quite as little as before).

    I'd discourage you from crushing up NSAIDS. There's not much science there. Just try to keep it soft as best as you can, but, like I said, embrace those stretch marks...you earned them..time to be a real boy.


    Tylenol isn't an NSAID. Although I also haven't heard about it being effective in removing stretch marks. Cocoa butter and shea butter are better choices.

    I'd definitely say it's worth at least trying to get rid of the stretch marks. I don't buy this "mark of pride" BS. Ugly is ugly, and just as getting *too* big or bulky is hideous, stretch marks are just never attractive (NOT manly or a sign of being a "real" man, contrary to what a few guys say on here -- who, no surprise, have gotten unattractively bulky themselves).

    Some people are simply prone to stretch marks, however. I got some when I was younger, thanks to a few growth spurts, but with time and consistent application of cocoa and shea butter moisturizers, they did eventually fade. I'd slow down the muscle growth a little to help prevent more marks from forming.

    Also, bulking?? There's plenty of good science that says there's no need to go through bulking and cutting phases. It's perfectly possible (and much, much more attractive, healthy, and easier to maintain) to gain lean muscle without gaining much fat. Further, don't fall for the "bigger is better" theory. Overall aesthetics matter much more than size. I absolutely hate seeing a cute slim/toned guy end up hideous because he went for size at the expense of attractiveness. And by all means, if you are using any kind of illegal steroid, STOP now; it's just not worth it and tends to lead to disgusting bulky bodies, all other negative effects aside.
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    Oct 04, 2009 1:34 AM GMT
    t0theheightsAlso, bulking?? There's plenty of good science that says there's no need to go through bulking and cutting phases


    Care to share this "good science"? Links? References?
  • barriehomeboy

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    Oct 04, 2009 1:48 AM GMT
    Bulking up is for lesbians. You can't build muscle by putting on layers of fat and then starving them off. Just slowly build mature muscle and you'll be hot like me when you're older :-)
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    Oct 04, 2009 1:51 AM GMT
    You're gonna be stuck with 'em the rest of your life! The only thing you can do that will mask the discoloration is to tan frequently. The stretched skin will still have the same goofy texture, but the color will blend in better with the skin around it. After a few years, the texture becomes more like your normal skin and it becomes less visible. Lotion doesn't seem to help much in preventing stretch marks, but it will help with the irritation.

    I've got stretch marks on the sides of my chest that are six inches long and two inches wide, a bunch of small rips along the sides of my biceps and triceps, and some four-inchers around my thighs and a bunch of tiny ones down my back. Most of my skin where there's been any change in shape or size is covered with tiny stretch marks like a quarter inch long. I'm pale as hell so they stand out like big pink rips and I only "freckle" with sun exposure, so I'm pretty much stuck with 'em.

    You can wear them as kind of a badge of honor because it says your progress is paying off. Sometimes you'll see teens working out and comparing stretch marks so it's kinda fun to go up to them and be like "Check THESE out!"
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    Oct 04, 2009 1:51 AM GMT
    Hey Shagon,

    Unfortunately some people are just more prone to developing stretch mark than others, notably during weight training. The only thing to do, as others have said, is moisturize them with cocoa/shea butter, which will help reduce their appearance (you can never get "rid" of stretch marks once they've begun to develop).

    Eventually they fade and aren't too noticeable, its a small price to pay for sculpting your body. No pain, no gain!

    Cheers,
    SV
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    barriehomeboy saidBulking up is for lesbians. You can't build muscle by putting on layers of fat and then starving them off. Just slowly build mature muscle and you'll be hot like me when you're older :-)


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  • t0theheights

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    Oct 04, 2009 8:34 AM GMT
    Junglist626 said
    t0theheightsAlso, bulking?? There's plenty of good science that says there's no need to go through bulking and cutting phases


    Care to share this "good science"? Links? References?


    Um, try any of the dozens of books by current and former bodybuilders and fitness models who say *emphatically* that "bulking" and "cutting" is unnecessary. Stop by the health and fitness section of a bookshop and it should take you all of a minute.
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    Oct 04, 2009 8:57 AM GMT
    t0theheights saidFurther, don't fall for the "bigger is better" theory. Overall aesthetics matter much more than size. I absolutely hate seeing a cute slim/toned guy end up hideous because he went for size at the expense of attractiveness. And by all means, if you are using any kind of illegal steroid, STOP now; it's just not worth it and tends to lead to disgusting bulky bodies, all other negative effects aside.


    Totally agree: proportion and symmetry is FAR more important than simple size for attractivness. Look at some of the old time body builders: Tony Sansone, Eugen Sandow and so on. Much smaller than modern guys, but look SO much better. Sansone especially is not big AT ALL.. his legs are too thin for my taste, but the overall effect is amazing. Sandow is perfect icon_eek.gif

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  • ShagonTheHate

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    Oct 04, 2009 1:16 PM GMT
    First of all, thanks for all the advice and for future advice as well, if someone writes something new here. As far as growing big I've gotten to the point that I don't want to grow any more either way. I'm happy with the muscle I've gotten and only need to lose some small amount of fat . I admire these huge people who train like crazy and get stretch marks from it, my ex had them and they didn't bother me, but they're everyone's choice, and mine is that I don't want them ON ME, I'd rather be not so well built and without them than built like some greek god but have them all over. These ones that have arrived are I think a sign from my body that enough is enough, so I think I'm going to change a few things in my training, quitting is of course not an option. Since I have all this new muscle now, if I eat a lot of protein and good fats, I don't think I necessary need to go and lift like crazy to maintain it, I would even prefer something more diverse. Now that I remember, last week I was doing my biceps really going out to the max and told my friend I'll stop because I was experiencing this odd, numb pain on my skin (probably when I got these stretch marks from skin ripping), usually I lift 10-20% less than really that max weight for 8 repetitions would be. So I think I'm going to incorporate some circuit training, rather do 4 series and little lighter weights 2-3 times a week than 12-14 at once, plus I'm going to start to do some body workouts without weights like push-ups. It should be enough to maintain.

    What do you think? Do you have any sports to advise that really work the whole body? I was thinking swimming, dancing, kickboxing or sth like that, only doing the same lifting is boring to me. College is starting so that's would give me some more time to study as well, plus save me some money because I wouldn't need so many shakes.
  • MikemikeMike

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    Oct 05, 2009 7:49 AM GMT
    Alot has to do with genetics then with increase in size do to muscle growth or weight gain. Usually means you did it too fast. I really don't think your body fat was 2-3 %. How did you measure that???? Moisturising can help, but not the budget stuff you get at Wal~mart k~mart. Use the stuff woman use for childbirth stretch marks! I'm Italian and didn't get them but I took 5-7 years to increase no roids no hgh BS!!icon_idea.gif
  • ShagonTheHate

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    Oct 05, 2009 8:43 AM GMT
    MikemikeMike said I really don't think your body fat was 2-3 %. How did you measure that???? icon_idea.gif


    No, it was about 12% when I started, now it's maybe 15%.
  • ShagonTheHate

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    Oct 06, 2009 8:38 AM GMT
    Did any of you guys experience getting stretch mark(s) exactly during heavy lifting? Like experiencing odd pain or soreness and then seeing why...
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    Oct 06, 2009 4:39 PM GMT
    You're right about Tylenol not being a NSAID. It is of almost no value other than as a pain reliever and is highly hepatoxic (way more than AAS). It's use isn't generally a good idea, period. Stretch marks generally don't have a lot of pain associated with them. Nonetheless, Tylenol, and any other pain medications aren't going to have much affect on stretch marks and are nutso advice.

    Acetaminophen causes three times as many cases of liver failure as all other drugs combined,[6] and is the most common cause of acute liver failure in the United States,[5][7] accounting for 39% of cases.

    You got some real bad advice above from t0theheights.

    With regard to stretch marks, now that you're near a normal weight for your height, the whole thing should come down. I suspect you were probably underweight when you started and, given your age, your androgens kicked in, and you finally started eating, and your body had a growth spurt because you had been doing resistance training nor eating properly before. It most likely will calm down now.

    Stretch marks are pretty common among weight trainers, and almost universal in women who have born children. You would be kinda' self-defeating to abandon the many benefits of resistance training over stretch marks. Now that you're at a more normal weight they shouldn't be a problem. True, it does give you and excuse to be lazy, but, it's not really a very good one.

    Don't forget that resistance training is the only exercise that strengthens your bones, and increases your base metabolism as you grow older. No other exercise does that. Every pound of muscle burns calories just sitting there, so more muscle means it's easier to stay lean, and to eat, without gaining fat, nor weight.
  • TexanMan82

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    Oct 06, 2009 11:09 PM GMT
    t0theheights said
    chuckystud said
    ShagonTheHate saidicon_eek.gif Today is a scary day... Long story short, I've been bulking for about 3.5 months now, gained about let's say 16kg, LUCKILY only 2-3% body fat (I'd say I'm at about 15-16% now), I didn't really use any moisturizer till now because it was summer and I was sweating all the time so I would have been just too greasy. During colder days my skin is very dry though... For the last 20 days or so I gained maybe 1kg because I wasn't eating that much cause I'm preparing to cut now. And now, today, I wake up and find stretch marks on my right under arm, and I'm sure they weren't there 4 days ago because I was looking at the same spot. Thank God they're on a spot so that they're not visible and they're tiny really, still I'm going to freak out if they spread.

    So, I'm kinda lost here, stretch marks are supposed to occur during fast weight gain (sometimes weight loss, too) because the skin just can't keep up... I do remember that I worked my triceps a little harder during the last two weeks (and experienced some odd skin pain during lifting) so they're really pumped up and sore, can it be that my skin ruptured during the heavy lifting? I mean I've had sore muscles before, but never got stretch marks from that, that would mean I could litterally get them even when I maintain weight, but lift heavy icon_confused.gif .


    Some folks have skin that breaks more easily than others. It doesn't stretch. I wouldn't sweat the stretch marks. They'll fade some, in time, otherwise, they're more of a sign of progress. It means you're doing something right.

    Many women swear by coco butter. Others say vitamin E oil works. Others like aloe. You'll probably want to google on stretch marks.

    No need for anything expensive. The cheap stuff from Walmart will work just fine, if at all.

    If you want to avoid stretch marks you can gain weight more slowly, but, like I said, some folks have skin that just doesn't expand well.

    I don't have stretch marks, yet, I've been 5'5", and 230#, and I've lifted for 34 years (I'm 49). I don't get them. flex89, the roomie, gets them real bad.

    The stretch marks mean you're becoming a real boy. Congratulations!

    View the stretch marks as endearment, Little Buddy (well, not quite as little as before).

    I'd discourage you from crushing up NSAIDS. There's not much science there. Just try to keep it soft as best as you can, but, like I said, embrace those stretch marks...you earned them..time to be a real boy.



    I'd definitely say it's worth at least trying to get rid of the stretch marks. I don't buy this "mark of pride" BS. Ugly is ugly, and just as getting *too* big or bulky is hideous, stretch marks are just never attractive (NOT manly or a sign of being a "real" man, contrary to what a few guys say on here -- who, no surprise, have gotten unattractively bulky themselves).

    Further, don't fall for the "bigger is better" theory. Overall aesthetics matter much more than size. I absolutely hate seeing a cute slim/toned guy end up hideous because he went for size at the expense of attractiveness.


    Oops...I think you forgot to finish up with "In my opinion". Silly you.
  • Anto

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    Oct 06, 2009 11:30 PM GMT
    MikemikeMike saidAlot has to do with genetics then with increase in size do to muscle growth or weight gain.


    Yeah agreed. Stretching of skin is stretching of skin regardless of how it happens, whether it forms tears is dependent more on genetics than anything else.
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    Oct 06, 2009 11:31 PM GMT
    I dont know if slowing down your process of bulking up is an option. Often times the fast weight gain/loss is part of the problem..... your skin cannot stretch quickly enough...

    And try cocoa butter, its supposed to work wonders.

    And the people who say they are to be worn with pride/ a sign of progress: utterly bizarre.
  • ShagonTheHate

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    Oct 07, 2009 9:27 AM GMT
    Did yours burn at the beginning? I was at a concert last night (Tarja Turunen :lovesicon_smile.gif and my burned a little under my shirt, also when I go over them with my finger they burn a little.