DADT update

  • Mepark

    Posts: 806

    Oct 08, 2009 7:19 PM GMT
    Women More likely to be dismissed from army. Not surprising, since only a lesbian would join the army anyways. icon_wink.gif

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091008/ap_on_re_us/us_military_gays
  • Anto

    Posts: 2035

    Oct 08, 2009 9:09 PM GMT
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREEvery military branch dismissed a disproportionate number of women in 2008 under the policy banning openly gay servicemembers.



    I really hate it when this gets said (underlined part) in regard to DADT because it implies that gay service members can serve in the military so long as they are not open about their sexual orientation. This is simply not true.

    The armed forces policy in regard to homosexuality bans service members regardless if they are openly gay or not. It bans homosexuals from serving, period. The code does not make any exceptions for being closedly gay.

    As an example, if you look at the actual code it states that a service member is not to engage in homosexual acts at all while serving, this includes in private life for the entire time a person is serving.

    As another example, it states that attempting to marry or be married to someone of the same-sex is ground for discharge as well.
  • jarhead5536

    Posts: 1348

    Oct 08, 2009 9:17 PM GMT
    Mepark saidWomen More likely to be dismissed from army. Not surprising, since only a lesbian would join the army anyways. icon_wink.gif

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091008/ap_on_re_us/us_military_gays


    That's an, um, interesting assertation. Based on my experience in uniform, men and women enlist for different reasons. Gay men that join the military tend to be, and I hate this phrase, "straight acting", or desperate to be so, trying to prove that they are as much real men as any straight guy. Lesbians that join the military are trying to prove some sort of toughness parity with men (this is a gross oversimplification but you get the idea). Because of this, the gays in uniform blend in fairly well unless they go out of their way to out themselves. The lesbians have a more difficult time because they stick out. The straight men in uniform are largely conservative types that like their women to conform to gender norms, and therefore their antennae go up when a masculine woman is in the area.

    To your point - plenty of straight women join the military. Many don't last because they get pregnant. I taught at an "A" school years ago, and over half the women in my classes didn't make it to graduation because they couldn't keep their legs crossed...
  • jarhead5536

    Posts: 1348

    Oct 08, 2009 9:18 PM GMT
    Anto said
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREEvery military branch dismissed a disproportionate number of women in 2008 under the policy banning openly gay servicemembers.



    I really hate it when this gets said (underlined part) in regard to DADT because it implies that gay service members can serve in the military so long as they are not open about their sexual orientation. This is simply not true.

    The armed forces policy in regard to homosexuality bans service members regardless if they are openly gay or not. It bans homosexuals from serving, period. The code does not make any exceptions for being closedly gay.

    As an example, if you look at the actual code it states that a service member is not to engage in homosexual acts at all while serving, this includes in private life for the entire time a person is serving.

    As another example, it states that attempting to marry or be married to someone of the same-sex is ground for discharge as well.


    Here's the thing: the policy is not being correctly implemented. People ask all the time. Investigations are launched routinely based on rumor or suspicion, which is patently illegal, but who's gonna complain?
  • Anto

    Posts: 2035

    Oct 08, 2009 9:47 PM GMT
    It doesn't matter if people ask or not though. If someone serving in the military commits a homosexual act they are in violation of the armed services policy in regard to homosexuality.

    The phrase "Don't Ask Don't Tell" is incorrect in and of itself because it implies that you can engage in homosexual acts or be in a same-sex relationship which according to the code is not the case. It clearly states that a service member is not to engage in such acts or acknowledge such inclination. It doesn't matter if other people know about it or not, it's still in violation of the policy.


    DADT was an ill conceived idea to a problem, not as a solution, but as a short-sighted political compromise.