The Jock Build

  • mrpandora

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    Dec 14, 2007 10:29 PM GMT
    Hi Guys,
    First of... Cudo's for you great guys here, all great looks wits and humor! Can't we start a commune somewhere hahaha.

    But I've got a question. I was wondering why all you americans have these amazing builds without any apparent work out done. I see pictures of 18 year olds looking a-ma-zing. I didnt have a build like that, i was a muscled nail so to speak (dutch phrase) and I have to work out like crazy to even start to begin to look like some of you guys.

    Is it because europeans are taller, or is it the food icon_razz.gif

    Tell me, I'm curious!
  • MikePhilPerez

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    Dec 14, 2007 11:04 PM GMT
    "all you Americans have these amazing builds"

    Do I, not have an amazing buildicon_question.gificon_confused.gificon_confused.gif
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    Dec 14, 2007 11:23 PM GMT
    How can you tell how much workout guys here do?

    (Noord-Holland, that is where my ancestors and name are from! We were in New Amsterdam when the British got the city in a trade for a spice island in the East Indies...thanks, oh motherland!)
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    Dec 15, 2007 12:25 AM GMT
    hey pandora...the grass is always greener...the meat is always leaner...someone else's weiner always have more relish on it...

    not to discredit my fellow Americans, but I tend to think Europeans have the advantage when it comes to bodies. But then, it begs the question, what do you like? I think Europeans --at least judging from the pics I have seen and the times I have visited the eastern hemisphere-- are naturally leaner than Americans. But it sounds like you are commenting on the more muscular guys vs the leaner ones. And I think it comes down to genes and food. Our supermarkets tend to stock what I call "cartoon character" food...if the food is using a cartoon character to advertise on the box, chances are it's unhealthy inside. You also have to remember that people with amazing bodies are going to be more likely to post body pics than their unfit counterparts.

    That being said, I am constantly amazed at the high percentage of smart, attractive, and helpful guys on Real Jock....regardless of where they live.
  • mrpandora

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    Dec 15, 2007 12:28 AM GMT
    "How can you tell how much workout guys here do?"

    of course there is no way of telling how much time goes into training, but i think its safe to say that the general build is more mesomorph in the states than the ectomorph build in western europe.

    I am just wondering why...

    (and yes, trading the Big Apple for Suriname was one of the best deals ever /sarcasm )
  • EricLA

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    Dec 15, 2007 2:07 AM GMT
    First, an increasing number of American are fat. So, the pictures of the buff ones you see are the ones interested in fitness or vanity or both. For example, there's no reason I should have the body I have -- I work a desk job 9-6pm M-F, drive my car most places, and am not into playing sports. I've never worked on a farm or done much in the way of manual labor (e.g. gotten muscular the natural way).

    So, I work out. Primarily for fitness and stress relief, but as a gay man -- especially in Los Angeles -- I do feel I need to be competitive with other guys out there when it comes to the dating pool.
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    Dec 15, 2007 3:08 AM GMT
    Why are so many Americans mesomorphic!??? Don't you mean why are so many Americans endomorphic? Buddy, then tell me why are so many Europeans tall and slender and with such waspish figures, no less. Grrrr, and you guys eat whatever you want to.

    LOL, all kidding aside, these awesome bodies you see here...a lot of work goes into them. Look at their profiles to see how many times a week and for what duration they work out. You had better believe that if a guy puts six days a week, an hour and a half duration, he ain't kidden. And, what's more is, whatever they put, they are probably doing more than that.
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    Dec 15, 2007 3:33 AM GMT
    Pandora....you are on a "FITNESS" site! Most of these guys should be well built and you must be kidding about "amazing builds without any apparent work out". I would be willing to bet that 95% of us BUST OUR ASSES REGULARLY to get and keep our builds! I know that I spend 10 hours a week lifting, 10 hours a week on cardio, 3 hours a week swimming, 3 hours a week on plyometrics and stretching, etc, AND THEN I can "go play"! I would also bet that most of us on this site are MUCH more aware of what we eat than the average american. I know my daily intake of proteins, carbs (simple and complex), fats, water, aminos, vitamins, fiber, etc, and I would bet that many are more dilligent than me! Where is CHUCKYSTUD when you need him! HE has the details and the knowledge! You have a very skewed and unrealistic view of "americans" from our site. Obesity is at epidemic levels in the american population. Poor eating and exercise habits are the norm. We on this site, for the most part, are the EXCEPTIONS! icon_eek.gif
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    Dec 15, 2007 5:08 AM GMT
    I agree with you. Genetically "some" people are born with good bone structure, like broad shoulder, and just being lean will look great. other's I know, have not done any weights in their life, already have bigger bicep then my.

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    Dec 15, 2007 5:51 AM GMT
    Screw genetics. If you take care of yourself, your body will reflect it. And, no, i don't mean train too much because that in excess is abusive to your body and no you won't grow. Your body will reflect the abuse you do to it.
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    Dec 15, 2007 8:35 AM GMT
    I think Mrpandora is talking about the 18-year-old Americans that you see on this site. How do you go about getting a body like that at that age? Most of it must be genetics? Surely?
  • GQjock

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    Dec 15, 2007 1:49 PM GMT
    Mrpandora is somewhat correct
    there is more of a peer pressure here in the US to be more muscular and buff
    and on the EU side...the guys are more slim
    but they have much more style and sophistication than most guys here

    I hate to say it ..but a lot of guys here in America never got out of adolescence
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    Dec 15, 2007 2:45 PM GMT
    I think some of it has to do with the focus on US High school sports. Wrestling and American football on the PE curriculum demand a greater focus on physical strength than for instance soccer.

    Also jock culture is U.S. high schools is more prevalent than here in Europe. Also perhaps there is a greater onus for kids to excel at sport as for many who could not afford the high university fees in the U.S. it would give them a shot at a sports scholarship.

    This pressure will lead to a focus on physical gains which in turn can result in supplement and or steroid usage as studies show.

    Or else it's just something in the water.

    I'm open to correction on this theoy.
  • Starboard

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    Dec 15, 2007 2:54 PM GMT
    I agree with GQjock about the peer pressure in the US -- we have gyms all over the place -- open 24 Hours...and popular clothing retailers that target boys/young men like Abercrombie & Fitch design only for a lean, muscular build.

    When I was overseas it seemed like young guys were into different stuff...in Tokyo I was amazed at all of the different fashion magazines and literally aisles of haircare products marketed to men. In the US, I think a young guy is more likely going to pick up a sports or fitness magazine than a copy of GQ.

    Fashion and grooming seem to be the antithesis of the typical American masculine stereotype, especially for younger guys. Size and strength "gets the girls".
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    Dec 16, 2007 4:35 AM GMT
    screw what men in Japan or Europe do!! We are in america. lean doesn't look good. muscle looks good. of course it can be taken to the extreme in both means and ends. but hey so can leanness -- anirexia (or however you spell it)
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    Dec 16, 2007 5:25 AM GMT
    Queens and muscle, my favorite combination!
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    Dec 18, 2007 9:24 PM GMT
    People in most other countries tend to be leaner because they tend to use their feet (i.e. walking) as a major mode of transportation, where we are want to drive, and their diets consist of smaller portions. Just an example, what is considered the biggest size at Starbucks in London is the medium size here.
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    Dec 18, 2007 9:25 PM GMT
    What Americans are YOU looking at????
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    Dec 19, 2007 8:27 PM GMT
    ......The ones on this site.
    LOL, Real Jock is not the real world. And, I gotta say , neither is the internet.
    Yeah, it encompasses many parts and as a whole, yes, resembles the real world a lot because of the sheer size of the internet (how expansive it must be) and all the variety the internet offers.
    However, when you break down the parts, in this case, I think you'd end up with individual sites that more often than not, only represent a narrow portion of society.
    What I mean to say is, mrpandora, you may get a better idea of what America really is if you did more research, perhaps go to sites about AMERICA, its cities, its culture, its people, then maybe he can get a more wholesome dose of the big picture. RealJock represents such a small view.
    Plus, most of the Europeans that message me online are always hunky, beefy, and just plain sexy, not skinny welterweights at all. Poor me, it's not easy being a hunk magnet.
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    Dec 19, 2007 8:47 PM GMT
    I think the real question here is "Why are gays (on the whole [pun!]) so focused on body image?". Compared to our heterosexual counterparts, homosexual Americans are more likely to be fit and fine.

    It's a generalization, but even this website atests to the desireablity of the "Realjock Build" for young and old homos alike.
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    Dec 19, 2007 8:51 PM GMT
    hahaha, holy shit! heteros not focused on body image? haha, yeah i don't think there's much of a difference.
  • zakariahzol

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    Dec 19, 2007 8:55 PM GMT
    The last time I heard America is the fattest nation in the world. Ever see the documentary Supersize me. It was the European who is thin, elegant and stylish. I have read a book "French women dont get fat". It have to do with the habit of European (smaller country) walking all the time, smaller potion of food and the way of their live.

    Even here in Asia a smaller compact size country like Hong Kong, Japan and Singapore have thinner people simply because they walk everywhere, catching train and buses. Car is a luxury very few people can effort. When I was a student in US, nearly all American own a car. They hardly walk. No other country I visited so far (I have been to so many country) serve Supersize, Extra large Coke at their fast food restaurant. The well built muscle rippling jock you saw here do not represent most American. This jock look as good as it is because they work their ass out, watch their diet and lifting weight. It nothing to do with their nationality as American citizen.
  • SoDakGuy

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    Dec 19, 2007 9:02 PM GMT
    Also, I wouldn't doubt a few have used steroids.

    I have in the past, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if they did.
  • in773guy

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    Dec 19, 2007 9:11 PM GMT
    I'm going with the athletics that are offered in the high schools threw out the states. Kids are in shape without even knowing it.
    I was a gymnast and a diver in high school, didn't workout but the routine of daily practice....even just pushing myself out of the pool built a chest. Unfortunately at the time I didn't know that I had a body but now years later having muscle memory has been a great asset in working out.
  • jarhead5536

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    Dec 19, 2007 9:12 PM GMT
    I have had the opportunity to mingle with many Europeans over the years, and the explanation they always give me for why Americans appear to be more robust than them is this: we are not so racially and ethnicly (sp?) pure as they. Germans, Italians, Irish, English, French, Greeks, Russians, Czechs, etc., have all interbred here with each other and with Native Americans from both hemispheres, and Africans for that matter as well. Contrast this with some Europeans I have met. They are stunningly beautiful, but somehow seem paler, thinner, taller and more blonde than Americans.