Can President Obama Win Over The Gay Community?

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    Oct 10, 2009 5:03 PM GMT

    He's won me over. But I've always been patient and shrewd.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20091010/pl_politico/28146
  • Mepark

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    Oct 10, 2009 5:07 PM GMT
    He has already won the gay community, we just need to win him over now.
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    Oct 10, 2009 5:07 PM GMT
    chasgo3 said
    He's won me over. But I've always been patient and shrewd.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20091010/pl_politico/28146


    He seems to be upsetting the gay community because he hasn't done much for gays, but it's a political thing. His hands are tied because, if he does too much he will lose his support.
  • Mepark

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    Oct 10, 2009 5:19 PM GMT
    I agree, but what exactly is much anyways besides DADT. Everything lies in congress' hands, which he can't even convince his own party to pass healthcare, let alone more divisive social issues.
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    Oct 10, 2009 5:26 PM GMT
    I like this quote from Barney Frank:

    If people in the gay community who are complaining about Barack Obama ... would instead call their senators, we might have the 60 votes we need to pass the bills.

    So true, quit whining here and do something constructive!
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    Oct 10, 2009 5:39 PM GMT
    I can't wait to hear how he does at the HRC event. I'm sure he'll deliver his usual package of empty promises. Hopefully, some of the folks in the audience will speak up.
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    Oct 10, 2009 5:43 PM GMT
    and if all else fails... someone can just do the "you lie thing" again
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    Oct 10, 2009 6:02 PM GMT
    I think Obama needs a lot more time to begin to get some of the things done that he promised in his campaign. We need to have patience. Interesting though, how many people I hear and read (people who voted for him) who say they are fairly well disgusted with him. He is new, and rather green - - he had so little time as a senator to prepare for this job - - let's give him a chance to grow into the job and get some good work done. We need to support him.
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    Oct 10, 2009 6:02 PM GMT
    Tapper saidI can't wait to hear how he does at the HRC event. I'm sure he'll deliver his usual package of empty promises. Hopefully, some of the folks in the audience will speak up.


    Ditto.

    MePark: While Obama can't change the DADT law himself, he can end enforcement of the idiotic law by executive order.

    That he doesn't put a stop to this shit is infuriating:

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    Oct 10, 2009 6:05 PM GMT
    I voted for Obama and would still vote for him if the election were today, but I am sometimes discouraged by the pace of action on gay rights, especially from a president who is often criticized for trying to do too much too soon. The two Senators from my state and my house rep (all Democrats) would vote for nearly any gay rights bill that came along. A bill that contains the word 'marriage' would probably be the only exception.
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    Oct 10, 2009 6:06 PM GMT
    Jockbod48 saidI think Obama needs a lot more time to begin to get some of the things done that he promised in his campaign. We need to have patience. Interesting though, how many people I hear and read (people who voted for him) who say they are fairly well disgusted with him. He is new, and rather green - - he had so little time as a senator to prepare for this job - - let's give him a chance to grow into the job and get some good work done. We need to support him.


    Honestly, it's not about patience. He is literally trying to institutionalize as law Bush's unconstitutional practices. Which of course suggests why he refuses to prosecute the higher-up criminals in the Bush administration.
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    Oct 10, 2009 7:37 PM GMT
    Obama is a failure in every aspect you look at it. He will never do anything for gay rights as long as its not in his political best interest.
    Its funny how some on here give him a pass for actually doing nothing.
    He is becoming increasingly known as the "do-nothing" president.
    So, to the idiot, who said he would vote for Obama today if the elections were today,... You need to wake up and get with the program.
  • jgymnast733

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    Oct 10, 2009 7:52 PM GMT
    Some people are so filled with misguided anger that it's scary....icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 10, 2009 8:10 PM GMT
    ObsceneWish said
    Honestly, it's not about patience. He is literally trying to institutionalize as law Bush's unconstitutional practices. Which of course suggests why he refuses to prosecute the higher-up criminals in the Bush administration.



    Or maybe, just maybe, The President (both Bush & Obama) knows more about what is really going on behind the scenes with Al Queda and others that threaten us and they are simply doing whatever it takes to keep us safe. I agree that we need to give Obama some time to sort all of this out and have a little faith that he will. Good god, these are difficult times for any President, at least give the man a year before we start giving up on the "hope" and "change" he so artfully sold during the campaign
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    Oct 10, 2009 8:12 PM GMT
    Why should he need to? The gay population is as small as the right wing nut cases population.

    This constant playing of the gay card is becoming annoying
  • DiverScience

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    Oct 10, 2009 8:17 PM GMT
    Obama's lost me, both as a gay, and as a liberal. Not to say I would vote for a republican to replace him, but I'm not going to be out defending him, his policies, or anything else anytime soon.

    In my eyes, he's flubbed every major decision that's come across his plate since he entered office. On just about everything from healthcare to governmental transparency.

    And as for gay rights, well, he's just thrown us under the bus. So he doesn't want to spend the political capital to end DADT. Ok, whatever. He could have issued stop losses and suspended further DADT investigations with the well worn "we're at war" excuse, and the opponents wouldn't have been able to say SHIT without the easy defense of, "Do you want the terrorists to win?" But no.

    Could he still redeem himself in my eyes? Very much yes. But as of right now, he's pretty much a failure.
  • DCEric

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    Oct 10, 2009 8:30 PM GMT
    People need to stop whining. The bleeding has stopped, amendments are no longer moving forward, and thus far in his term, more states have been able to pass more pro-gay legislation than in the history of the country. Including swing states, like Nevada and Colorado.

    Somehow the gay community thought that electing Obama would be like taking a magic pill that would make everything alright. The Christian Conservatives made the same mistake. They figured electing GWBush (twice) would magically make this country into a theocracy. That clearly didn't happen either.

    ...and for those complaining that Obama has done nothing, and believe that with him in the White House, legislation should be moving faster, the Matthew Sheppard Act has made it further than any act before. What have you done to help get it passed?

    But then again, if you think that McCain and Palin would have been more pro-gay (because that is what some people are implying in this thread: "I wish I didn't vote for him", etc) then I guess you are too far beyond understanding the way politics and civil rights movements work.
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    Oct 10, 2009 8:32 PM GMT
    DiverScience said He could have issued stop losses and suspended further DADT investigations with the well worn "we're at war" excuse, and the opponents wouldn't have been able to say SHIT without the easy defense of, "Do you want the terrorists to win?" But no.

    Yes, because the person I remember saying similar things lately is so popular and managed to have so much influence at the end of his presidency. This is a good idea for someone who doesn't want to be ridiculed, or intends to continue to have influence on others.
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    Oct 10, 2009 8:33 PM GMT
    filmhottie saidObama is a failure in every aspect you look at it. He will never do anything for gay rights as long as its not in his political best interest.

    You mean a politician would do whatever it takes to keep their job? Fascinating. I never expected this.
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    Oct 10, 2009 8:38 PM GMT
    DCEric saidPeople need to stop whining. The bleeding has stopped, amendments are no longer moving forward, and thus far in his term, more states have been able to pass more pro-gay legislation than in the history of the country. Including swing states, like Nevada and Colorado.

    Somehow the gay community thought that electing Obama would be like taking a magic pill that would make everything alright. The Christian Conservatives made the same mistake. They figured electing GWBush (twice) would magically make this country into a theocracy. That clearly didn't happen either.

    ...and for those complaining that Obama has done nothing, and believe that with him in the White House, legislation should be moving faster, the Matthew Sheppard Act has made it further than any act before. What have you done to help get it passed?

    But then again, if you think that McCain and Palin would have been more pro-gay (because that is what some people are implying in this thread: "I wish I didn't vote for him", etc) then I guess you are too far beyond understanding the way politics and civil rights movements work.


    ^ Win. Obama didn't necessarily come out in support of gay marriage. All of his opinions on the matter were left carefully circumspect.

    People should spend more time working on their senators and congressmen/women...I know now that Alaska finally has a Democratic Senator I will be emailing and calling.
  • DiverScience

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    Oct 10, 2009 8:44 PM GMT
    DCEric said
    DiverScience said He could have issued stop losses and suspended further DADT investigations with the well worn "we're at war" excuse, and the opponents wouldn't have been able to say SHIT without the easy defense of, "Do you want the terrorists to win?" But no.

    Yes, because the person I remember saying similar things lately is so popular and managed to have so much influence at the end of his presidency. This is a good idea for someone who doesn't want to be ridiculed, or intends to continue to have influence on others.


    If he doesn't want to be ridiculed, he's doing damned poor job. And influence? He's done SO well using that. He's burning influence by inaction, at best.
  • DiverScience

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    Oct 10, 2009 8:50 PM GMT
    DCEric: Get a clue and quit talking for me.

    I'm not saying I wouldn't vote for him a thousand times over McCain/Palin. I'm saying I'm not happy with what he's done on ANY issue so far. He's failed me on gay rights, government transparency, indefinite detentions, torture investigations, and healthcare.

    I didn't think he would be a "magic pill' so get your words out of my mouth. I knew from the start I wouldn't be perfectly happy with him, I'm a liberal, and the fact is he's not. He's a centrist. I did, however, think he would do more than what he has, on many fronts. And as for legislation, I blame no more, and no less on Obama than exactly what he has had direct and personal responsibility for. And so far, that's been a lot, and he's flubbed every bit.

    As I said, he can still win me over. I HOPE he gets a clue and stops sucking. But just because I think he's less disastrous than McCain/Palin does NOT mean I have some bizarre responsibility to think he's doing a good job when I disagree with him on most decisions he's been making. And it does NOT mean I'm required to claim he's doing a good job, when I don't think he is.
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    Oct 10, 2009 8:56 PM GMT
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    filmhottie saidObama is a failure in every aspect you look at it. He will never do anything for gay rights as long as its not in his political best interest.

    You mean a politician would do whatever it takes to keep their job? Fascinating. I never expected this.


    LOL- HEHEHEHE

    You are funny icon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gif
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    Oct 10, 2009 8:59 PM GMT
    DCEric said
    filmhottie saidObama is a failure in every aspect you look at it. He will never do anything for gay rights as long as its not in his political best interest.

    You mean a politician would do whatever it takes to keep their job? Fascinating. I never expected this.


    Have you forgotten Obama's campaign of 'change'..
    Didn't he also say that he was or would be a fierce advocate of gay rights?
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    Oct 10, 2009 9:02 PM GMT
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    ObsceneWish said
    Honestly, it's not about patience. He is literally trying to institutionalize as law Bush's unconstitutional practices. Which of course suggests why he refuses to prosecute the higher-up criminals in the Bush administration.



    Or maybe, just maybe, The President (both Bush & Obama) knows more about what is really going on behind the scenes with Al Queda and others that threaten us and they are simply doing whatever it takes to keep us safe. I agree that we need to give Obama some time to sort all of this out and have a little faith that he will. Good god, these are difficult times for any President, at least give the man a year before we start giving up on the "hope" and "change" he so artfully sold during the campaign


    seriously dude, you are gonna have to stop doing this to me!!!icon_exclaim.gif my gawwwwwwddddd man, just when i thought i had you pegged again, you've gone and broken the mold once more.

    i can't take this.... stop i beg you... you are turning my world topsy turvy.

    be warned - if you don't, i will have to tansfer my stalkings from JP to you...