A DADT story

  • Sparkycat

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    Oct 11, 2009 4:47 PM GMT
    Sorry if this has already been posted in another forum. I think it's worth seeing. What the military has done to this man literally makes me sick. And it reaffirms what a major disappointment our president is.

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    Oct 11, 2009 7:02 PM GMT
    I have a similar story on my profile...

    8.5 years in the Corps...
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    Oct 11, 2009 7:42 PM GMT
    Thanks Sparkycat. I just posted this on FB as I'm one of those irritating FB friends always posting political stuff, but I just want to spread the word.
  • jrs1

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    Oct 11, 2009 9:16 PM GMT


    instead of people, I think we should begin to stop-loss some ideology ... separate belief from fact a bit ... or, at least, begin to find a harmonious balance. however, and the problem is ... what is the good and how do we find it? i.e., does this thought not lead us into more ideology, hence utilitarianism and egalitarianism? back to the drawing board.
  • Anto

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    Oct 11, 2009 9:35 PM GMT
    Couldn't the counter argument be the policy is clear that known homosexuals are not allowed to serve and that the military hasn't done anything wrong, that it's something he brought upon himself by going into the military to begin with knowing what could happen?
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    Oct 11, 2009 9:47 PM GMT
    SD thanks for sharing, I had a similar experience while ii served but wasnt outed fortunately. I watched your vid and even though it was a different branch of service alot of what you said in your video was the SAME exact shit i had to go through for 6 years.
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    Oct 11, 2009 10:02 PM GMT
    Anto saidCouldn't the counter argument be the policy is clear that known homosexuals are not allowed to serve and that the military hasn't done anything wrong, that it's something he brought upon himself by going into the military to begin with knowing what could happen?


    Victor says in the video that he was born on an Air Force base. The Air Force is his life. He has been raised around it, and that is what he knows. Why should he choose to be dismissed because of he is gay?
  • Anto

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    Oct 11, 2009 11:12 PM GMT
    Not choose to be dismissed, choose not to join to begin with because he is gay and the armed forces ban such individuals from serving. I'm not saying it's right by the way.

    It just seems strange to me when these stories crop up that people are surprised by it.
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    Oct 12, 2009 2:55 AM GMT
    well It isn't so much a ban as a mandate to not discuss your homosexuality. In his case he didn't out himself a third party did. I would hardly say he brought it upon himself, more like sabotaged.
    I get what your saying though, technically he did break the rules by acting on his homosexuality. But then the Military does push this whole "integrity" thing too so...
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    Oct 12, 2009 3:37 AM GMT
    Well, I'm probably going to get some flack for this, but I'm not all that worked up about repealing "Don't Ask, Don't Tell." Granted DADT is a stupid law and a waste of money and I'll be happy when gay men and women can finally serve openly, but I don't see why it's such a major rallying point for the gay community. Given the national environment, I think there are limits as to what a president can accomplish regarding gay rights in any one term, and DADT is fairly low on my list of priorities.

    I'd much rather see a gay-inclusive Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) passed or have gays added to federal hate crime legislation - which is expected to happen as soon as Obama signs the new Defense Bill next week. I think we'd also benefit from some sort of health insurance reform that provides universal, single-payer coverage and finally allows us to stop worrying about whether 50 states allow us access to our partner's health insurance. Finally, I think a more aggressive and intelligent national HIV prevention program is also greatly needed.

    The measures I've just mentioned would affect many more gay peoples' lives than repealing DADT and, while I know numerical impact isn't the sole basis for judging the good a law does, it seems to me that the gay community, for lack of a better term, often gets worked up about issues that are valid, but not as pressing at others.

    Anyhow, that's my two cents.
  • Tiller66

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    Oct 12, 2009 8:31 AM GMT
    Yes this is one of the worst DADT stories out there and the best example of why I'm dissapionted with Obama but I do have to say that he seems to unable to make any desicions with/about the military,and no matter what pretty words he uses action will be his only redeemer.
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    Oct 12, 2009 2:06 PM GMT
    Did anyone see Obama talk at the HRC conference just a bit ago? He showed us where he stands on this policy, as well as other discriminatory laws and policies.

    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2009/10/10/Obama_Addresses_HRC_Dinner/

    Obama is addressing these same issues and reaffirms again and again that he wants equality for ALL American cirizens, and that ys is especially a shame that someone could be discharged for being gay when they have stood up to protects and serve their county and its citizens.

    This policy was brought in early on in the Clinton administration, 16 years ago. Obama may hold one third of the political power in our country, but this is something that needs to be approached with tact. He needs to put it in a light where another similar policy will not fall into place as soon as he is replaced in office. Changing policies is much easier than changing the minds of men and women who want desperately to hold down people different from themselves.

    I am extremely pleased to have a president who is addressing issues of equality and demanding change. He can't do everything on his own, but we at least know that we have the support of our president should anything come his way to be approved.
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    Oct 12, 2009 2:13 PM GMT
    Does anyone know if this army guy is single. I'm willing to console him