The Gay divide.

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    Oct 12, 2009 7:06 AM GMT


    What are your thoughts on this?


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  • coolarmydude

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    Oct 12, 2009 2:20 PM GMT
    I agree with the part that feminine gays are the backbone of the gay community, hence Stonewall, but other than that she sounds as if she is crying for nothing about "masculine acting" gays. If she is so strong and courageous, why does she need to presume that masculine gays are "acting" masculine and "camouflaging" amongst heteroes? Albeit some are, but why does that matter to her? If she wants to be treated as the individual that she is, then why can't masculine homosexuals be treated the same, especially by her divisive viewpoint? Her rant is more of a self-dosing means to her confidence than it is in making a point.
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    Oct 12, 2009 2:30 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidI agree with the part that feminine gays are the backbone of the gay community, hence Stonewall, but other than that she sounds as if she is crying for nothing about "masculine acting" gays. If she is so strong and courageous, why does she need to presume that masculine gays are "acting" masculine and "camouflaging" amongst heteroes? Albeit some are, but why does that matter to her? If she wants to be treated as the individual that she is, then why can't masculine homosexuals be treated the same, especially by her divisive viewpoint? Her rant is more of a self-dosing means to her confidence than it is in making a point.


    Because to her to be gay is to be feminine.
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    Oct 12, 2009 2:37 PM GMT
    Effeminate gays may have been the backbone of the gay REVOLUTION but they far from being what a Gay person is about or suppose to act like!


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    Oct 12, 2009 2:39 PM GMT
    Oh? And what is a gay person supposed to be?
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    Oct 12, 2009 2:40 PM GMT
    another forum like this? really?

    okay, i think hunny needs to realize that just as much as he is acting a personae, "masculine gays" are acting a personae, and that acting factor on both parts, is zero. No one puts that much effort into being someone that they're not, and if they do, they have bigger issues to deal with than uniting a rainbow. Also, a rainbow? this is the first I learn of that symbol and frankly I think that should have remained as the symbol for the care bears.

    So is he saying that supposed "masculine gays" are to throw on their wig they hide deep in their gay closets from which they emerged and light that gay torch? No im sorry, I wont, thats not me. But I have no hate towards those that do, go on with ya wigged selves!

    Chris Crockers an uneducated ass.
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    Oct 12, 2009 2:42 PM GMT
    also, the little oral sex gesture at the end there...way to show your depth of education and class ya hillbilly.
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    Oct 12, 2009 2:42 PM GMT
    McGay saidOh? And what is a gay person supposed to be?



    Anything they want to be! effeminate gays DO NOT represent what the whole gay community is as INDIVIDUALS!


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    Oct 12, 2009 2:50 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidI agree with the part that feminine gays are the backbone of the gay community, hence Stonewall, but other than that she sounds as if she is crying for nothing about "masculine acting" gays. If she is so strong and courageous, why does she need to presume that masculine gays are "acting" masculine and "camouflaging" amongst heteroes? Albeit some are, but why does that matter to her? If she wants to be treated as the individual that she is, then why can't masculine homosexuals be treated the same, especially by her divisive viewpoint? Her rant is more of a self-dosing means to her confidence than it is in making a point.


    to be clear, i did not watch the video, but why do the feminine gays at stonewall represent the "backbone" of the gay community?
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    Oct 12, 2009 2:54 PM GMT
    I think most of us out gay men, masculine or not have some, have some men in our group of friends that are feminine acting and are loved and popular. Maybe its her personality and not her femininity that is the cause of her problems. She's doesn't really come across as a likeable person. If I ran into her somewhere and heard that rant, I would probably just turn around and walk away. I'm just a regular guy, not feminine and I don't try to act more 'butch'. I'm just me. Does she really think that masculinity in gays is acting? We are males, afterall. Despite what she may think, the majority of gay men are not feminine.
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    Oct 12, 2009 2:58 PM GMT
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    coolarmydude saidI agree with the part that feminine gays are the backbone of the gay community, hence Stonewall, but other than that she sounds as if she is crying for nothing about "masculine acting" gays. If she is so strong and courageous, why does she need to presume that masculine gays are "acting" masculine and "camouflaging" amongst heteroes? Albeit some are, but why does that matter to her? If she wants to be treated as the individual that she is, then why can't masculine homosexuals be treated the same, especially by her divisive viewpoint? Her rant is more of a self-dosing means to her confidence than it is in making a point.


    to be clear, i did not watch the video, but why do the feminine gays at stonewall represent the "backbone" of the gay community?



    Effeminate gays ARE NOT the backbone of the gay community, simply because being effeminate IS NOT the only personification of what gay peoples are as INDIVIDUALS!! they do however ONLY represent the backbone of the "GAY REVOLUTION"



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    Oct 12, 2009 3:00 PM GMT
    Leandro,

    You said the person in the video was "far from being what a Gay person is about or suppose to act like! "

    I asked what a gay person is supposed to be, addressing your assertion.

    Your reply - anything they want to be. You then went on to say that effeminate gays don't represent all gays.

    Either you're weasling out of your first assertion or you just don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

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    Oct 12, 2009 3:02 PM GMT
    heartrobb saidI think most of us out gay men, masculine or not have some, have some men in our group of friends that are feminine acting and are loved and popular. Maybe its her personality and not her femininity that is the cause of her problems. She's doesn't really come across as a likeable person. If I ran into her somewhere and heard that rant, I would probably just turn around and walk away. I'm just a regular guy, not feminine and I don't try to act more 'butch'. I'm just me. Does she really think that masculinity in gays is acting? We are males, afterall. Despite what she may think, the majority of gay men are not feminine.



    True!!!


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    Oct 12, 2009 3:05 PM GMT
    Until somebody encounters the majority of gay men, making such an assertion is blowing hot air.
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    Oct 12, 2009 3:09 PM GMT
    McGay saidLeandro,

    You said the person in the video was "far from being what a Gay person is about or suppose to act like! "

    I asked what a gay person is supposed to be, addressing your assertion.

    Your reply - anything they want to be. You then went on to say that effeminate gays don't represent all gays.

    Either you're weasling out of your first assertion or you just don't know what the fuck you're talking about.




    Can you understand or read English? or you only understand your own assertions that ALL gay men are a little, somewhat, or very effeminate but nothing in between??? I think you are the one who doesn't know what you are talking about!?


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    Oct 12, 2009 3:12 PM GMT
    You said the person wasn't what a gay person is supposed to act like. Well, if a gay person is supposed to act like whatever he wants as you went on to say, then what's your problem? Did you fall of the swing, down the stairs, dog ate your homework, what? Let me guess, you're chewing gum and trying to think at the same time. Bad move.
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    Oct 12, 2009 3:17 PM GMT
    Hmmm...I disagree with a fair amount of what this man said.

    He decries the fact that masculine men out to their gay friends, but not their straight 'people', don't like hanging with effeminate gays like him. Then he says it's because the effeminate gays are a dead giveaway. Well, d'oh. He just answered himself, but I don't think he was fully aware of it.

    In our experiences we've often found many straights like the effeminate ones as they are obvious. What many seem to be put off by is those darn gays that slip in under the radar.

    (Take Will and Grace - quick, who became the star of that show, Will or Jack?)

    "What, he's GAY?!?!?" It seems many straights like the obvious rather than what some consider the sneaky. Sneaky, what a laugh. It's just who we are.


    He also keeps referring to them as masculine 'acting' gay men, as opposed to himself, which is entirely natural. Well, that knife cuts both ways. There are actors in both camps. ('camps', lol, love that)

    There's no way on god's earth to tell who's acting and who's natural, in either masculine or feminine behaviours, so it's best not to judge this way.

    It's the talk of the divisive, and we dislike it. We've watched effeminate gays cut each other to ribbons with the most acid laced invective. That may be why some 'masculine' gays stay at arm's length.

    He continually refers to us, yes , us, as
    'straight acting' guys. This alone is enough of an insult. It's no 'act'.

    At a Pride party one year I went in drag. I automatically hooked my thumbs into the front of the skirt. People laughed and most of the effeminate guys in that party of 200 made me a focus of bitchy observation. It lasted an hour and I changed back into my regular clothes.


    Here's a taste:
    In a catty purr: "Oh gawd, you can take the man out of the plaid shirt and jeans, but you can't take the pig out of the man. Get your knuckles off the floor, Og, and have some poise."

    However, a HUGE however, I knew some effeminate men that were all sweetness, the most wonderful people I had the good fortune to cross paths with. They were the toast of the town whenever out and about, and a source of admiration for many. They embodied all the most magnificent traits of the feminine, without venom.


    -Doug (and Bill's two cents)

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    Oct 12, 2009 3:22 PM GMT
    Some people confuse effeminate with hysterical.

    I listen often to Signorile on Sirius Outq. The man has an affected speech. How to exactly describe that, I can't. He has a voice that would say "gay" to most people. In other words, a dead giveaway. He is far from hysterical, though. Almost everything about him is calm. He's a seasoned speaker, well thought and his delivery is perfect. His outward appearance, I would say, is not a dead giveaway. He's handsome, manly appearing and a sharp dresser. He's just one example of the difference between effeminate (he may be) and hysterical (he's definitely not). Chris Crocker is an example of perhaps both, effeminate and hysterical. By hysterical, I don't mean funny, I mean engaging in hysteria, high pitched hysteria.
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    Oct 12, 2009 3:33 PM GMT
    McGay saidYou said the person wasn't what a gay person is supposed to act like. Well, if a gay person is supposed to act like whatever he wants as you went on to say, then what's your problem? Did you fall of the swing, down the stairs, dog ate your homework, what? Let me guess, you're chewing gum and trying to think at the same time. Bad move.



    That is right...ALL GAY MEN DO NOT ACT EFFEMINATE...do you have a problem understanding that???

    There is nothing wrong in being an EFFEMINATE gay person, but the fact of the matter that YOU and the FEMININE gay guy on the video don't seem to understand is that NOT ALL GAY MEN have the so call "effeminate characteristics" like they do think EVERY gay person should have, when in fact gay people have a very BROAD SPECTRUM of behaviors. I get the impression that message the effeminate gay is trying to convey is that ALL or that being GAY one must either be a little, somewhat, or very effeminate? and that being A GAY MASCULINE PERSON is a myth or a way to cover up their gayness?? now do you think that assumption to be true!?



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    Oct 12, 2009 3:37 PM GMT
    Are Sarah Palin's special needs child? Have stuffed too many nuts in your cheeks in preparation for winter?
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    Oct 12, 2009 3:49 PM GMT
    McGay saidAre Sarah Palin's special needs child? Have stuffed too many nuts in your cheeks in preparation for winter?



    At least I don't beat around the bushes with ironies or sarcasms, I just like to tell it like it is in plain easy to understand English! so are you trying to say that just because I embrace masculinity as one of many characteristics, if not the most predominate one amongst gays, that all of the sudden I a have conservative's view? wrong!!!



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    Oct 12, 2009 3:51 PM GMT
    You didn't say anything clearly. You contradicted yourself. Are there two of you there posting under 1 account, not reading what the other wrote?

    Y'know, the first step in overcoming any problem is to admit to yourself that you have one. Put down the MD 20/20.
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    Oct 12, 2009 3:53 PM GMT
    The guy in the video makes a good point that there is a "Gay Divide" between masculine and feminine (although I think there is a huge "gray area" in the middle where gay guys are not necessarily hard core butch, but not over the top feminine either). However, I think the guy in the video was trying to make it seem like masculine gay guys that reject him or don't want to be around him do so because they are closeted or just not comfortable with their gayness, and he misses the mark on that in my opinion. First of all, he's not just feminine, he's trying to act and look like a girl, and there is a difference. A lot of femme gay guys still like looking like guys. Those who take it to a whole other level with wigs or long feminine hairdos, make up, and girly clothing are more of a sub-culture of sorts that many less feminine guys just don't relate to or want to associate with.

    The guy in the video makes the point that "the flamers take so much more flack from the straight people" and therefore they are "the backbone of the gay community". Ha! I think this guy is just full of himself bordering on delusional. The flamers (like the guy in the video) take flack because they ask for the attention they get. Loud obnoxious flamboyant people whether they are straight gay or whatever can be annoying and they get flack. To say they are the backbone is a stretch because they are hardly within the norm.

    The guy in the video doesn't think that gays like him make it more difficult for more mainstream gays to gain acceptance and, again, I think he's kidding himself. They do. The more outrageous, flamboyant in-your-face gays make many gays feel uncomfortable, so it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out how they must make straights feel. I'm not saying this is right or wrong, it's just a fact of life.

    He says "Quit hating yourselves", but that is way too simplistic of an attitude to take. He's trying to make other's insecurities the scapegoat for the "flack" he has gotten and that simply doesn't hold much water.