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What happens when we die?

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    QUOTE Oct 20, 2009 1:38 AM GMT
    chasgo3 saidThe body is finite.
    The soul, energy or atman is the same stuff of the universe that connects us all. We like all energy are transformed into something else. As human beings it is not for us to know or comprehend because our mental capacity is too small and finite.

    I am content in this ignorance.

    Check out the Bhagavad Gita. Very illuminating text.

    Enjoy & live life now while you still have it.

    Why worry or concern ourselves about what comes next when we haven't finished our purpose here?


    true, we need to fulfill our purpose here, before we move on.
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    QUOTE Oct 22, 2009 6:19 PM GMT
    G_Force saidWhat Happens When We Die?


    When we die, we die.

    The only question that will matter then is this:

    "What happened when you lived?"
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    QUOTE Oct 25, 2009 11:17 AM GMT
    I had two different NDE's during my adult life. One as a teenager and another at the age of 28. The one at the age of 28 was witnessed by 8 friends and two paramedics. My body was without vital signs for 46 minutes before I coughed back to life. When I was rushed to the hospital - word passed quickly. I had several police officers and a Doctor interested in my testimony of what it was like to be dead for that long. I just laughed and shook my head. I refused to talk about it. I had been though it before when I was a teenager.

    My friends asked me. They felt they had a right to know since they had witnessed my body on the ground for 45 minutes with blue lips and stiff. I tried to tell them. The problem is - belief systems. If I saw something about it that goes against their belief system - all people want to do is argue their human and logical mind. It is beyond logic and hard to put into words.

    I could and did describe everything to took place while I was unconscious to prove my point to them. I told them every word that was spoken and who left the room first and when. I told them what happened to make the paramedic run and get an oxygen mask. I told them about the pack of cigarettes he threw into the air. I told them about my spirit talking and communicating with them. Even after all that, they still wanted to argue their logical minds. It is hard for the average mind to think that you can see, hear, smell and feel things if you don't have eyes, ears, a nose or a body.

    I told them that instead of telling them about it - I would show them. I instructed them how to have OBE's during sleep. We all have access to the 'afterlife' each night when we go to sleep at night. The only difference is - retaining the memories on a conscious level when you wake up the next day. We get so caught up on the 'focus' of this world and shut down the focus of the spiritual realm.

    A part of us goes to the afterlife each and every night.

    You don't have to die to see or experience heaven. You can experience heaven or the afterlife - each day of your life - if you shift your focus enough.

    A part of the game and fun of living in this world is playing with a 'blind' or 'ignorant' mind. The suprise is waiting for us when we do 'give up the ghost' for the final time -- and the joy of it is -- you really never leave heaven.

    Life here is just an illusion. Enjoy it while it lasts.
    DK
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    QUOTE Oct 25, 2009 12:27 PM GMT
    Who can really know? There was a time when I believed that a person went to heaven or hell.

    Now I don't think that is true.

    What I do think is true is the idea that there is something to go to after we die is very appealing to most people. The church has certainly made a billion dollar buisness out of it.
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    QUOTE Oct 26, 2009 12:11 AM GMT
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    QUOTE Oct 26, 2009 12:28 AM GMT
    The day some-one who is dead and put in the ground, comes back and tells us about life after death, will be the day I take the concept seriously, and not by some-one who has had oxygen deprived to the brain for a short time.

    To me death is nothing more than another appointment I'll have too keep, and that will be the end of it all, as heaven and hell are on this earth here and now.
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    QUOTE Oct 26, 2009 1:23 AM GMT
    What happens after death?

    We are re-incarnated of course! Yes, re-incarnated an infinite number of times, where we experience conscious in all state of minds.
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    QUOTE Oct 27, 2009 3:54 AM GMT
    The out of body concept is difficult for me to understand but I do believe our energy/spirit whatever one calls it moves on. Just not in the context of human consciousness we can understand.

    I'm very comfortable with having to die if it was necessary today and would be satisfied with my life.

    What concerns/terrifies me is the "act" of dying. I wish I could just skip that part of the process. It also saddens me to think I'll die without anyone next to me to hold my hand with a warm goodbye smile.
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    QUOTE Oct 27, 2009 4:24 AM GMT
    Pattison saidThe day some-one who is dead and put in the ground, comes back and tells us about life after death, will be the day I take the concept seriously, and not by some-one who has had oxygen deprived to the brain for a short time.

    To me death is nothing more than another appointment I'll have too keep, and that will be the end of it all, as heaven and hell are on this earth here and now.


    I think I might be late for that appointment
  • Pheo Posts: 150
    QUOTE Nov 08, 2009 3:03 AM GMT
    Sorry I haven't been on in a long while. Death in my faith is a celebration. I'm an eclectic Pagan. I take aspects that make sense to solely me and I give my representation of my belief, however some other Pagans think the same. Working as what I do which people believe or not isn't the question. Death is. Yes it can be violent, but when you look at the evidence scientifically we're made of matter. I just know when we die we go to the Other Side. Now death varies on spirituality. I don't believe in the concept of Heaven nor Hell. It's what we make of it. Supposedly though with suicide there's torture with the soul. We can possibly never know where we go. My grandfather was Atheist on my mother's side and said we just went in the ground. It's impossible to tell, but the only thing I can really theologically state is that it's what we make of it.
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    QUOTE Dec 12, 2009 5:02 AM GMT
    As a beleiver I see death as nothing to fear, but rather it is a gate to a perfect life that is free from all sin, pain, sorrow, suffering, disease and even death itself to a life that is totally joyful without ever a moment of unhappiness. Everyone will love and care for each other with a perfect love. I don't see why anyone would not want to enter that kind of perfect life, which God has promised to all those who believe in Christ as their Savior.
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    QUOTE Feb 16, 2010 1:24 AM GMT
    well teh tooth fairy comes back to give u all the teeth u lost when u were a kid.

    oh and if u got life insurance...someones getting paid some mad coins to party like its 1999
  • Satyricon331 Posts: 957
    QUOTE Feb 16, 2010 1:44 AM GMT
    Someone posted a link to that article in another thread. I mentioned there that this Time article is already out-of-date. They’ve more recently figured out that the brain’s neurons discharge their electricity all at once when they lose oxygen, which stimulates all the brain centers, including the one that causes out-of-body experiences.
  • UltraFJ82 Posts: 2483
    QUOTE Feb 16, 2010 3:09 AM GMT
    [/quote]To me death is nothing more than another appointment I'll have too keep, and that will be the end of it all, as heaven and hell are on this earth here and now.[/quote]

    Lol, I can assure you that the hell you may be going through on earth can be seen as a mere test of faith. Or any "hell" that's witnessed due to someone's bad choice that they have made on earth. They will be judged for it in the end. I don't think we've ever witnessed "hell" on earth or heaven on earth. Not yet anyway. The lord went to prepare a place for us, a place "out of this world" so to speak. Golden streets, a place without sin. A place I wanna go! Hell though is def real. Hold a lighter to your finger and see how long you can hold it there. Not for very long right? So imagine you, your soul burning for all eternity. No one knows when the Lord will return for his "people." Those that chose to live in his word. You can believe in him but it's your actions that make all the difference. The good deeds that you have done. So, babies, kids, those that are not in the knowledge of sin. He will come for them. Even those that believe in him but are not strong enough to go through the "hell" that's to come on earth. So when he comes the first time, will you be one of them? Those that remain here...sinners. Adulterers, liars, thieves...will be stuck here with 7 years of hell. 7 beasts unleashed on the earth to roam. There's no hiding, from being stung, etc. 7 seals! The Antichrist will reign. Having a power so great that people will believe he is God. Until the truth is revealed of what he really stands for. As I have said before the Lord will take back those that believe in him but are too weak to go through the pain and suffering after his first return. He's not gonna let the Antichrist and his followers change those that truly believe but are too weak minded. Though a lot of us that remain here will still be "tested" of our faith and it will be hard, 7 years of hell on earth? I have not explained a lot of what people will go through.

    People that have died through these centuries, their souls are all waiting under the Lord's alter, waiting to be judged. Judgment Day. When that 7th seal is opened.
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    QUOTE Feb 16, 2010 3:16 AM GMT
    Out of body experiences can be duplicated in the lab. They're caused by deprivation of oxygen to the brain, and ensuing "all on" response of the optical nerve. CNN did a show on it. Pilots in the centrifuge often have those same experiences when they pass out.

    No, it's not a deity, happy to tell you, but, it's oxygen deprivation, and science allows us to create it, prove it, and duplicate it, and document it in the lab. That's the TRUTH, and not the malarkey of false belief systems.

    Score:
    Reality 1, False Belief Systems 0
  • UltraFJ82 Posts: 2483
    QUOTE Feb 16, 2010 3:32 AM GMT
    People are free to believe what they want. This is all about getting and grasping different points of view out there. If people wanna believe in the "science" part of it and how the world was created and evolution...something that man has said then so be it. Science is all it will ever be. (sometimes faulty) I believe a lot of it but not on the subject of how our Earth was created.

    Oh! and those 7 beasts are created by man. Thanks scientists.
  • hjartadhamast Posts: 10
    QUOTE Feb 16, 2010 5:59 AM GMT
    Ugh... This is so unscientific. Not least because it says:
    When your heart stops beating, there is no blood getting to your brain. And so what happens is that within about 10 sec., brain activity ceases —as you would imagine.

    That's so not true. Brain death takes an entire five minutes after the heart stops beating. This is because oxygen doesn't disappear when the heart stops beating, just new supplies of it. People lose consciousness within 10 seconds; brain activity continues for far longer than that.
    What happens is, as other people have suggested, the brain goes into a panicked state to conserve energy - shutting down unessential areas. The brain releases an enormous BURST of endorphins and other chemicals (the feeling of euphoria), while other areas relating to vision begin to fire spontaneously, giving the idea of a bright light (it's not heaven: it's your brain dying).

    ZbmwM5 said
    I'm not a Jesus freak, but I'm quite sure that when we die, we don't just vanish. Remember the law of conservation of energy... Energy cant be created or destroyed - only transformed.... where does our energy go? Just into thin air? Dissipated as heat? I think not.

    What do you think energy is? Kinetic energy, chemical energy... The "energy" of your body doesn't disappear at all. You need to understand that your brain and body are chemical machines: your consciousness HAS no energy of its own; your mind is the product of the chemicals and matter in your brain. They become water, part of someone else's arm, air, soil etc.
    No energy or information is lost - but your consciousness ceases to exist, as the matter is no longer arranged in a way to make it exist.

    (If I smashed up my computer - the metal parts would still exist in some form somewhere, but it'd be delusional to think my Windows7 operating system was still functioning in full and "floating around" somewhere...)
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    QUOTE Feb 17, 2010 7:59 PM GMT
    "giving the idea of a bright light (it's not heaven: it's your brain dying)."

    ROFL

    The voice of reason and critical thinking.

    Yes, Dear, The World is NOT flat, but, pretty much, ROUND.
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    QUOTE Feb 17, 2010 8:00 PM GMT
    LMAO...

    "(If I smashed up my computer - the metal parts would still exist in some form somewhere, but it'd be delusional to think my Windows7 operating system was still functioning in full and "floating around" somewhere...)"

    LOL

    The spirit of M$....ROFL.

    I always giggle when folks somehow think they are unique and have a "spirit."

    I had a long discussion one day about this with my prior high school friend, who was a major pothead in high school, but, a minister now.

    He kept asking me "where is your spirit going to go?" I reached over and swatted a fly. I said "Where does that fly's spirit go?" He said "Flys don't have spirits." I said, "who told you that?" and so the conversation went. It's astounds me how irrational folks are when it comes to false belief systems.
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    QUOTE Feb 17, 2010 8:01 PM GMT
    Life is a flame that will one day burn out; a fleeting dance on which the curtains of death will one day close. Every creature has the choice to join in and contribute to creation and perpetuate the spark of the flame; the batterie of the dance. Or we can take more than we give and help snuff out this rare opportunity. So, I choose to contribute everything I have because I want this beautiful experience to last! Once it's over...it's over.
  • ramrunner Posts: 2
    QUOTE Feb 17, 2010 8:44 PM GMT
    Consciousness is the ground of being. Considering everything that exists to be matter is gross reductionism that cuts off the very mind being used to make the analysis, therefore a contradiction in itself. Awareness is what is primordial, and that is observable in the Universe, which is always in the process of wanting to know more of itself. The same type of camera like eyes we possess evolved independently in different ages from different lifeforms throughout evolution, which is matter organizing itself into greater levels of self-awareness (see Ken Wilber). Our deepest selves are part of this cycle of life and consciousness, and death is release into the Ocean of Being. Whether we conserve individuality is not certain, but it doesn't matter ;)
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    QUOTE Feb 17, 2010 9:04 PM GMT
    what happens when we die?

    nothing happens your dead, dead is dead.
    it's as natural as any other part of life.

    ...I'm hungry and have spent WAY too much time on RJ today.
    I'm outta here.
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    QUOTE Feb 17, 2010 9:37 PM GMT
    I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm going to Mt. Olympus to get close and personal with some of those Greek gods people talk about!
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    QUOTE Feb 17, 2010 9:40 PM GMT
    abm1985 saidLife is a flame that will one day burn out; a fleeting dance on which the curtains of death will one day close. Every creature has the choice to join in and contribute to creation and perpetuate the spark of the flame; the batterie of the dance. Or we can take more than we give and help snuff out this rare opportunity. So, I choose to contribute everything I have because I want this beautiful experience to last! Once it's over...it's over.


    kinda sweet....but u gotta stop putting needles in ur ankles dawg............lolz.........look what its making u write.....lolz
  • Xylum Posts: 15
    QUOTE Mar 04, 2010 3:33 AM GMT
    Read the journey of souls by Michael Newton. That may help.
    He is a hypnotherspist and takes individuals further than the subconscious self. Check it out.