Religion is not a choice but being gay is, says Boner ... err, Boehner

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    Oct 15, 2009 8:33 PM GMT
    Sorry if this was already posted.

    http://rawstory.com/2009/10/religion-is-not-a-choice-but-being-gay-is-gop-leaders-spokesman-says/


    Religion is not a choice but being gay is, GOP leader’s spokesman says

    You were born a Christian, not born gay. Religion is not a choice.

    Or so the spokesman for House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) would have you believe. Questioned about why the House's top Republican opposes a hate crimes bill penalizing violence against gays, his spokesman said he "supports existing federal protections (based on race, religion, gender, etc) based on immutable characteristics," just not protections for things like being gay -- which conservatives occasionally claim is a choice.

    "He does not support adding sexual orientation to the list of protected classes," Boehner spokesman Kevin Smith added. The statement was made in an email to CBS News.

    In other words, religion is a trait you're born with.

    Gays and their supporters contest the assertion that being gay is a "choice," asking why individuals would deliberately choose to be gay in a society that often treats them as second-class citizens.

    Republicans who oppose hate crimes legislation say they do so because they think it is criminalizing "thought."

    "All violent crimes should be prosecuted vigorously, no matter what the circumstance," Boehner said during debate on the issue. "The Democrats' 'thought crimes' legislation, however, places a higher value on some lives than others. Republicans believe that all lives are created equal, and should be defended with equal vigilance."

    CBS also points out that Smith's claim that Boehner supports existing hate crimes laws for "immutable" characteristics such as gender isn't accurate, because gender isn't currently a protected class under federal law.

    What does House Republican caucus leader Tom Price think of the bill?

    It's an "absolute disgrace," Price said.
  • bottomline

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    Oct 15, 2009 8:44 PM GMT
    Thanks for the post.
  • coolarmydude

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    Oct 15, 2009 9:00 PM GMT
    Dumb is forever.


    I swear this decade has kicked off the American Dark Age!
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    Oct 15, 2009 9:24 PM GMT
    Religion IS a choice. Else the words "convert", "convertion", "converting" and "converted" would not be in the English dictionary.
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    Oct 15, 2009 10:46 PM GMT
    "Gays and their supporters contest the assertion that being gay is a "choice," asking why individuals would deliberately choose to be gay in a society that often treats them as second-class citizens."

    We gays are asking the wrong question when confronted with the choice issue. Why an individual chooses anything is nobody else's business and that should be the end of the story. Why one adult is forced to answer for his character makeup and another is not is what is at issue. When faced with the choice issue, the next logical question to ask of the person who believes that it's a choice is whether or not he or she is capable of sex with the same gender, because if they are not, they should be able to understand that no choice is involved. Still, as an adult, with my own life, I am not interested in anyone's sex life but my own and my partner's. It takes a strange, yet for whatever reason, accepted, type of perversion to live one's life in the shadow of what someone else does with his or her pleasure zones. People possessed and consumed by homosexuality surely have some deep psychological issues that the world seems to tolerate.
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    Oct 16, 2009 12:11 AM GMT
    jprichva saidBoehner proves that being an idiot is not a choice.
    Being a loudmouthed idiot is.


    Every post Jprichva makes, he is insulting someone in someway.

    Note to Jprichva-- are you one of those guys that fights with everyone and lives in your mom's basement and is always bitter at the world?

  • olden

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    Oct 16, 2009 12:17 AM GMT
    Galloping Harvey Milk, I never realized I have had a religectomy, where my innate born-to-the-bone Catholicism was surgically removed. But I am glad that I had it done. Will the new Health Plan cover that procedure??icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 16, 2009 12:19 AM GMT
    That is categorically stupid.
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    Oct 16, 2009 12:19 AM GMT
    Someone misunderstood the term "born again". icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 16, 2009 12:25 AM GMT
    filmhottie said
    jprichva saidBoehner proves that being an idiot is not a choice.
    Being a loudmouthed idiot is.


    Every post Jprichva makes, he is insulting someone in someway.

    Note to Jprichva-- are you one of those guys that fights with everyone and lives in your mom's basement and is always bitter at the world?



    Being a loudmouthed Republican supporter and bashing long-time members of this site for making (funny) relevant commentary doesn't speak well on you.

    You've got some bitterness under your nose, btw.
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    Oct 16, 2009 12:38 AM GMT
    Mhmmmm. Two wrongs anyone?

    Anyhoot. Without JP's role, where would we be? I've learned some... "creative" ways to express myself from that man. KUDOS!
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    Oct 16, 2009 1:01 AM GMT
    Guys on this site have claimed they have as much control in changing their religion as they would changing their eye color. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • Webster666

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    Oct 16, 2009 1:09 AM GMT
    "You were born a Christian, not born gay. Religion is not a choice."
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    Tell that to the Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc., not to mention the atheists...
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    Oct 16, 2009 1:15 AM GMT

    Boehner's right:
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    Oct 16, 2009 1:18 AM GMT
    filmhottie said
    jprichva saidBoehner proves that being an idiot is not a choice.
    Being a loudmouthed idiot is.


    Every post Jprichva makes, he is insulting someone in someway.

    Note to Jprichva-- are you one of those guys that fights with everyone and lives in your mom's basement and is always bitter at the world?



    Are you even gay? I'm just trying to figure out why any gay person would defend the Republican House Minority leader who thinks religion is an immutable characteristic but homosexuality isn't. Did you choose to be gay? If so, you'll be the first voluntary gay I've ever heard of.
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    Oct 16, 2009 1:21 AM GMT
    Think with your brain or your boehner.
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    Oct 16, 2009 5:23 AM GMT
    Whether you agree or not is one matter but the commentary does not seem to reflect what the Minority Leader says.

    Or so the spokesman for House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) would have you believe.

    Did he say it or is this the commentary of the writer? It appears he did NOT say

    "Religion is not a choice but being gay is, GOP leader's spokesman says You were born a Christian, not born gay. Religion is not a choice."




  • Webster666

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    Oct 16, 2009 5:29 AM GMT
    "Religion is not a choice."
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    It's a cult...
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    Oct 16, 2009 5:35 AM GMT
    Gilbercrat said
    filmhottie said
    jprichva saidBoehner proves that being an idiot is not a choice.
    Being a loudmouthed idiot is.


    Every post Jprichva makes, he is insulting someone in someway.

    Note to Jprichva-- are you one of those guys that fights with everyone and lives in your mom's basement and is always bitter at the world?



    Are you even gay? I'm just trying to figure out why any gay person would defend the Republican House Minority leader who thinks religion is an immutable characteristic but homosexuality isn't. Did you choose to be gay? If so, you'll be the first voluntary gay I've ever heard of.


    I dont live in a gay bubble like you. I think there is more going on in the world that needs attention than gay marriage. I dont agree 100% on every republican belief... which is sad that I have to tell people this all the time.
    Do you support every single democrat belief?
    I think the RNC needs to change with the times on their stance regarding homosexuality, but please don't insult me for having priorities that surpass allowing homo marriage.
    I just cannot believe how out of touch so many gays are with the rest of the world. Its quite sad to see so many people who surround themselves with their sexuality rather their character. There is more to a human being than being gay or straight.
  • irishkcguy

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    Oct 16, 2009 5:39 AM GMT
    It stuns me that in 2009 these people will actually say this stuff in public.
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    Oct 16, 2009 5:49 AM GMT
    You were born a Christian, not born gay. Religion is not a choice.


    People REALLY need to see the bigotry in this statement. It reeks! This is the House Minority Leader???? Talk about hate speech and what about the separation of church and State?
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    Oct 16, 2009 5:51 AM GMT
    filmhottie said
    jprichva saidBoehner proves that being an idiot is not a choice.
    Being a loudmouthed idiot is.


    Every post Jprichva makes, he is insulting someone in someway.

    Note to Jprichva-- are you one of those guys that fights with everyone and lives in your mom's basement and is always bitter at the world?




    I think most people see it as a sense of humor. Either way, it's just words. Lighten up a bit.
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    Oct 16, 2009 7:28 AM GMT
    filmhottie said
    jprichva saidBoehner proves that being an idiot is not a choice.
    Being a loudmouthed idiot is.


    Every post Jprichva makes, he is insulting someone in someway.

    Note to Jprichva-- are you one of those guys that fights with everyone and lives in your mom's basement and is always bitter at the world?



    No he´s not. I do wonder whether filmhottie is actually a troll or whether he just has very, erm, individual beliefs.
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    Oct 16, 2009 7:36 AM GMT
    You were born stupid. But ignorance is a choice.
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    Oct 16, 2009 8:39 AM GMT
    eb925guy saidWhether you agree or not is one matter but the commentary does not seem to reflect what the Minority Leader says.

    Or so the spokesman for House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) would have you believe.

    Did he say it or is this the commentary of the writer? It appears he did NOT say

    "Religion is not a choice but being gay is, GOP leader's spokesman says You were born a Christian, not born gay. Religion is not a choice."



    Read the CBS News article that was made available via hyperlink in the rawstory article. Did Boehner utter those words, himself? Not exactly. Does he have to? No.

    What is extremely important to note is that, in Washington, a representative's spokesperson (especially the House Leader's spokesperson) doesn't speak out of turn. He is speaking for Boehner. There's no doubt about it. Boehner approved the communication. There's no doubt about it.

    Boehner's spokesperson, Kevin Smith, said that Boehner SUPPORTS FEDERAL PROTECTIONS (BASED ON RACE, RELIGION, GENDER, ETC) BASED ON IMMUTABLE CHARACTERISTICS.
    immutable = not subject or susceptible to change or variation in form or quality or nature.

    So, it is 100% clear that Boehner's position is that "immutable characteristics should be protected under hate crimes laws. And while religion is an immutable characteristic, his office suggests, sexual orientation is not."

    The CBS News article states the following:

    In an email, Boehner spokesman Kevin Smith said Boehner "supports existing federal protections (based on race, religion, gender, etc) based on immutable characteristics."

    It should be noted that the current law does not include gender, though the expanded legislation would cover gender as well as sexual orientation, gender identity and disability.

    "He does not support adding sexual orientation to the list of protected classes," Smith continued.

    Boehner's position, then, appears to be grounded in the notion that immutable characteristics should be protected under hate crimes laws. And while religion is an immutable characteristic, his office suggests, sexual orientation is not.

    Northeastern University professor Jack Levin, who co-authored the first book written about hate crimes, told Hotsheet that "to use immutability as a criterion doesn't make any sense at all."

    "Especially if he supports the current stand," Levin continued. "Religion is clearly not ascribed. It's not built into the organism. People can change it at any time and people do."

    "It sounds to me as though the criticism is focused on the addition of gays and lesbians to the list of protected categories at the federal level," he said. "That seems to be the problem."