Milk: weight loss or weight gain.

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    Oct 16, 2009 2:12 PM GMT
    Does milk and dairy help you gain weight or does it promote weight loss?
    Most of the reveiws stating that milk promotes weight loss are funded by the dairy industry, so I have been told. It is also tested on people that are replacing sugary drinks, like soda, with milk. There are a few reveiws that say it does nothing.
    So, for someone that is in the gym 5 times per week, trying to gain mass, and maintain a low bf% at the same time, is it a yes or a no on milk.
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    Oct 16, 2009 4:52 PM GMT
    DillanWood saidDoes milk and dairy help you gain weight or does it promote weight loss?
    Most of the reveiws stating that milk promotes weight loss are funded by the dairy industry, so I have been told. It is also tested on people that are replacing sugary drinks, like soda, with milk. There are a few reveiws that say it does nothing.
    So, for someone that is in the gym 5 times per week, trying to gain mass, and maintain a low bf% at the same time, is it a yes or a no on milk.
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    Calories, from whatever the source, can do both. If you are lagging, calories will make your metabolism more optimal. If you eat more calories than you use, you'll gain weight.
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    Oct 16, 2009 8:07 PM GMT
    I don't think most healthy adults "need" milk. The dairy industry knows this. And that's why they've been pushing their advertising so heavily over the years.

    Milk is fine if you want to supplement your diet with it. But I don't think you should rely on it as your sole source of protein or calcium. Despite what the TV commercials imply, drinking gallons of milk everyday won't turn you into a muscle stud.

    From a dietary perspective, if your goal is gain lean muscle mass, then you need to focus on consuming the right foods and the right amount.

    Of course diet alone won't build muscle. You need implement a proper workout routine that will stimulate muscle growth.

    Short version..

    Protein is important for muscle growth. Calcium is important for strong bones and certain muscle functions. But drinking milk isn't a cure-all for those things. Just eat healthy and train hard.

    I think the last time I bought milk was over 10 years ago.
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    Oct 16, 2009 9:48 PM GMT
    Pasteurization fucks milk up. still deecent for ur goals tho.
    decent bioavailability of nutrients and best of all, its wicked cheap.
    if u can get ur hands on raw milk, eat that shit for breakfast lunch and dinner!
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    Oct 27, 2009 12:17 AM GMT
    I feel that milk consumption is beneficial. Personally, it is the main part of a substantial breakfast which is essential for setting me up for the day. Pasteurising milk is simply treating it against any harmful bug that would come with it (which the calf's stomach can handle, but not necessarily ours). Milk is sold in three kinds (in the UK) - Full cream, semi-skimmed and skimmed, ie all fat removed. I dislike skimmed milk, it looks and taste like colored water, but would be most beneficial in slimming or weight loss. Over the years, one of the reasons I suffered excess weight gain was by consuming full cream, or full fat milk. Now having been on a weight loss program, I have switched from full fat to semi fat milk as part of the program - with good results.
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    Oct 27, 2009 10:19 AM GMT
    track_boi saidPasteurization fucks milk up. still deecent for ur goals tho.
    decent bioavailability of nutrients and best of all, its wicked cheap.
    if u can get ur hands on raw milk, eat that shit for breakfast lunch and dinner!


    This is such a bad idea. There's a reason we started pasteurizing milk, folks, and it has to do with the loads of bacteria that are present in raw milk. While I generally think Americans have an obsession with germs that is downright unhealthy, I would not extend that to drinking raw milk just as I would not extend it to eating raw meat. There are some nasty bacteria that can exist in raw milk that pasteurization gets rid of.

    That being said, if you're worried about pasteurization--and more likely you're worried about ultra-pasteurization--get raw milk and pasteurize it yourself at home using a slow heating method so that you get rid of the nasty bacteria but limit the amount of nutrients destroyed.
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    Oct 27, 2009 10:39 AM GMT
    meh I loath mikl! I love cheese like no other but eat it in moderation because otherwise its a personal hell on earth later. anyone know where they sell frozen yogurt?
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    Oct 28, 2009 6:41 AM GMT
    Despite what the dairy industry (which has the gov't in their back pocket btw) would have everyone believe, milk DOES NOT do a body good.
    The only thing that milk is good for is pouring it over that sugary boxed crap people eat for breakfast, and, well, maybe cake.

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    Oct 28, 2009 12:30 PM GMT
    low fat milk is brilliant, good source of protein n calcium, and in a weight loss program, there have been many studies that have concluded with the calcium loading test group losing more weight then the calcium limited group, they are still figuring out why though.
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    Oct 28, 2009 5:55 PM GMT
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    track_boi saidPasteurization fucks milk up. still deecent for ur goals tho.
    decent bioavailability of nutrients and best of all, its wicked cheap.
    if u can get ur hands on raw milk, eat that shit for breakfast lunch and dinner!


    This is such a bad idea. There's a reason we started pasteurizing milk, folks, and it has to do with the loads of bacteria that are present in raw milk. While I generally think Americans have an obsession with germs that is downright unhealthy, I would not extend that to drinking raw milk just as I would not extend it to eating raw meat. There are some nasty bacteria that can exist in raw milk that pasteurization gets rid of.

    That being said, if you're worried about pasteurization--and more likely you're worried about ultra-pasteurization--get raw milk and pasteurize it yourself at home using a slow heating method so that you get rid of the nasty bacteria but limit the amount of nutrients destroyed.


    IMO: we should all drink raw milk over pasturised milk

    sure there are ' loads of bacteria that are present in raw milk." and if you can get get good milk all of that bacteria is good for you...(for those of you who arnt aware... good bacteria is why ur alieve and bad bacteria can make you sick slash some arcticle in the obitz)

    but i'd rather be sucking straight from bessies tits than eat cooked ground beef found at walmart (keep in mind the bessie im talking about isnt a 6'2'' hung dark jacked stud..... nor is it a cow you'd find at your average farm today... im talking organic free range cattle than isnt grain fed)

    the reaston why Louis Pasteur and Claude Bernard desided to do what they did was cuz people died from shitty bacteria... yay for pasteurisation...kinda

    but let me put it this way: healthy cows/goats/what ever mamal floats ur boat will produce better milk(that doesnt require pasturisation) than you can get at the store.

    my defenition of better means that you get better protein, better absorbtion of nutrients, GOOD FATS! and something you dont usually find in a grocery store... enzymes! (also found in raw meat which should also be eaten btw)

    I say if you can get ur hands on some local source of raw milk... JUMP ON IT!

    but then again consider the source... just some 20 year old kid cooped up in canada that reads random net arcticles for fun.... just throwin shit out there.
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    Oct 28, 2009 6:14 PM GMT
    track_boi said
    if u can get ur hands on raw milk, eat that shit for breakfast lunch and dinner!


    I would STRONGLY suggest doing some research on this, if you do indeed drink raw milk. I don't mean junk posted online from someone's smoke-filled basement... but real scientific sources. (If you haven't already) Make sure the potential benefits outweigh the TREMENDOUS risk, for you.

    There are SO many zoonotic diseases that one can contract from "healthy well cared for cattle" milk, unless it undegoes pasteurization. A few key words that you might use in your search include: Salmonellosis, Listeria, Brucellosis, E. Coli, Yersinia, Staphylococcus...
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    Oct 28, 2009 6:21 PM GMT
    I did do my research, and am content with my sources...which is why i drink it and am confident that the benefits outwiegh the "risks"

    people are just scared of raw milk just the same as they are scared of cathcing the swine flu

    i'd rather drink the milk from an oraganic source than to be breast fed from my mother

    just saying
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    Oct 28, 2009 8:12 PM GMT
    i was born on a dairy farm and since my mom wasn't keen on breast feeding, the doctor told her to put us on raw milk. Mind you it was our farm, our cows, we knew how clean it was.
    On dairy farms , milk is kept near 0 C, homogeneized in the tank , and bacteria/cubic cm is analyzed every 2 days.
    we all grew up healthy .
    to this day, i love all dairy products incl. milk .but i buy 1 or 2 % .
    it never made me fat , unlike cakes, cookies ...but then i was never fat.
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    Oct 28, 2009 8:25 PM GMT
    Full fat milk always makes me gain weight, and not in a good way. It's one of the few things that really packs on the lard fast if I have too mucn
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    Oct 28, 2009 8:42 PM GMT
    The CDC recommends that the following individuals avoid raw milk or raw diary products

    * Pregnant women or women considering pregnancy
    * Children under 5 years of age
    * The elderly
    * Persons infected with HIV
    * Persons with cancer
    * Anyone immunompromised (such as transplant recipients)

    According to the CDC, infections obtained from raw milk or products accounted for more than 1,000 illnesses, more than 100 hospitalizations and two deaths between 1998 and 2005.

    Growing up on a farm, we always drank raw milk and never had any problems.icon_lol.gif

    Today I only drink low- fat milk

    Nutrition experts recommend drinking low-fat (a.k.a. 1%) or nonfat milk to limit intake of the saturated fats that boost risk of heart disease. Don't be fooled: reduced-fat, or 2%, milk is not a low-fat food. One cup has 5 grams fat, 3 of them the saturated kind. Drink whole milk, which contains 5 grams of saturated fat per cup, only once in a while, if at all. The one exception to this rule is infants. Children under age 2 need extra fat in their diets to support their developing brains. Whole milk can help provide that fat

    http://www.cdc.gov/healthypets/cheesespotlight/cheese_spotlight.htm

    http://www.eatingwell.com/nutrition_health/nutrition_news_information/is_raw_milk_more_nutritious_than_pasteurized_milk


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    Oct 29, 2009 8:31 AM GMT
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    IMO: we should all drink raw milk over pasturised milk

    sure there are ' loads of bacteria that are present in raw milk." and if you can get get good milk all of that bacteria is good for you...(for those of you who arnt aware... good bacteria is why ur alieve and bad bacteria can make you sick slash some arcticle in the obitz)

    but i'd rather be sucking straight from bessies tits than eat cooked ground beef found at walmart (keep in mind the bessie im talking about isnt a 6'2'' hung dark jacked stud..... nor is it a cow you'd find at your average farm today... im talking organic free range cattle than isnt grain fed)

    the reaston why Louis Pasteur and Claude Bernard desided to do what they did was cuz people died from shitty bacteria... yay for pasteurisation...kinda

    but let me put it this way: healthy cows/goats/what ever mamal floats ur boat will produce better milk(that doesnt require pasturisation) than you can get at the store.

    my defenition of better means that you get better protein, better absorbtion of nutrients, GOOD FATS! and something you dont usually find in a grocery store... enzymes! (also found in raw meat which should also be eaten btw)

    I say if you can get ur hands on some local source of raw milk... JUMP ON IT!

    but then again consider the source... just some 20 year old kid cooped up in canada that reads random net arcticles for fun.... just throwin shit out there.



    I'm not talking about organic versus industrialized. I'm talking about cow shit and urine on udders; I'm talking about animal bacteria that doesn't do well in human bodies; I'm talking about bacteria that is bad in both humans and cows. I'm well aware that there are lots of good bacteria that keep us alive; as I clearly noted I think Americans usually have an obsession with sterilization that is unhealthy. But just as you would not eat raw meat--even from a healthy, organic, free range cow--you should not drink raw milk.

    Here's what I'm saying: get raw milk and pasteurize it yourself. I totally agree that organic and--far more importantly--free range, grass fed cattle are where you should get your milk from if you can, and get it before it goes through a pasteurization process. But once you get it, do yourself a favor and pasteurize it on a stove using a slow boil method. You'll have the same great flavor, most of the same vitamins and minerals, and most of the macronutrients and you'll have a much healthier--as in, you won't get nasty food borne illnesses from it--gallon of milk. It doesn't take much time and you're not doing any substantive damage to the quality of the milk this way.

    You need to realize--and since you say you've done your homework on it, I would hope you already do--that pasteurization itself is not such a bad thing. It gets really problematic when it's high pasteurization and ultra pasteurization that heats milk to high temperatures extremely quickly, destroying many of the nutrients and much of the flavor. This isn't really a problem with home pasteurization where you're heating the milk up to a fairly low temperature--just hot enough to kill harmful bacteria--over the course of a half hour to an hour.
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    Oct 29, 2009 8:38 AM GMT
    But just as you would not eat raw meat

    -Uh .. hello? You never eaten raw meat?

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    Oct 29, 2009 9:01 AM GMT
    Lostboy saidBut just as you would not eat raw meat

    -Uh .. hello? You never eaten raw meat?



    Hell no, not unless it's been treated somehow. I mean, even the fish in sushi usually is at least minimally prepared to avoid food borne illness.
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    Oct 29, 2009 5:39 PM GMT
    I eat barely cooked steak, just nice if its warm

    like im talking like barbeque for 30 secs one side 30 secs the other side and chow down...

    would i do that with store bought meat, no

    i agree that heating milk up urself is great but i still drink it raw, but i dont get it often, kinda pricey

    I advocate drinking raw milk as well as raw meat if your confident with whats in the meat or milk

    hell ive been fishing up north in canada and ive literally caught a fish and eaten it right then and there, doesnt taste good mind you lol

    ive eaten pheasant raw, some white tail deer...

    my only problem with you argument on raw meat is that most people would eat a pretty raw steak with the outside cooked and the inside raw.... but if the whole thing was raw they wouldnt eat it....? i think its just a preconcieved notion that raw = bad

    and even if there is "bad" bacteria in significant quantities, there are alot of people with bodies that can deal with it no problem



    IMO: raw meat/milk is a safe healthy choice...