Marriage in Maine - Election This Tuesday (updated title)

  • metta

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    Oct 16, 2009 4:07 PM GMT
    Marriage in Maine - Both Sides Discuss Publicly

    Marriage in Maine: Gay or Nay

    http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/2357628
  • metta

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    Oct 20, 2009 6:35 PM GMT
    Local churches gather in support of gay marriage




    http://www.sunjournal.com/node/376395

  • metta

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    Oct 21, 2009 3:38 AM GMT
    Rachel Maddow this evening:


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    Oct 21, 2009 3:44 AM GMT
    Take notice of the churches supporting gays and those oppessing gays. If you attend church ask yourself which side does your church stand?
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    Oct 21, 2009 8:11 AM GMT




    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0MVFdaJdAU
  • metta

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    Oct 27, 2009 7:15 AM GMT
    Opposition to ballot questions grows





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    A poll released Monday suggests that supporters of gay marriage have pulled further ahead of opponents, but voter sentiment for two tax-related initiatives may be souring as the campaigns enter the final week.



    In the most closely watched race on the Nov. 3 ballot, Question 1, the latest survey results from Portland-based Pan Atlantic SMS Group show the effort to repeal Maine’s same-sex marriage law trailing.



    Roughly 40 percent of respondents indicated they would vote to repeal versus 52 percent in support of allowing same-sex couples to marry. That is a slightly larger gap than a Pan Atlantic poll from earlier this month.





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    http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/126937.html





    (***crossing fingers***)
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    Oct 27, 2009 7:59 AM GMT
    Not that it matters, or what ever come to pass will ever affect me, but i have been a financial support of this campaign.
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    Oct 30, 2009 4:53 PM GMT
    ^

    Thank you for helping.

    http://action.protectmaineequality.org/t/4847/signUp.jsp?key=2780&VARCHAR12=Email-1029

    Rachel Maddow: Gay Marriage Battle In Maine





  • metta

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    Nov 01, 2009 1:31 AM GMT
    Here is the last commercial for our side before the election on Tuesday






    (***crosses fingers***)
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    Nov 02, 2009 5:32 PM GMT


  • hartfan

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    Nov 03, 2009 5:44 AM GMT
    I hope it's just me who finds the lack of concern, focus and some fervor on this issue, especially on a site like RealJock where there are quite a number of civic-minded people, disconcerting. I hope this is due to folks being too actively involved with the campaign effort to post here. I would have thought after Proposition 8 in California, this might be a bigger deal, or perhaps Maine isn't as important as California.

    To all Mainers and others who have been working to stop the passing of Prop 1, I salute you and thank you. I hope we can all remember that while perhaps, in the future, equality for gay people may be inevitable, we still have to fight for it, and that fight still isn't going to be easy. What is easy is to become complacent about it. There is still a call to arms. Come on, everyone, we can do it if we try.
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    Nov 03, 2009 5:50 AM GMT



    We're often pretty vocal in our support for gay marriage in the US, but lately, like now with this Prop 1 we're feeling a little jaded because of how things seem to work down there.

    Voting to repeal a legislated human right.

    If it gets stopped, then what? How long will you be safe before the next vote?
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    Nov 03, 2009 6:10 AM GMT
    Anyone who lives in Maine or knows someone who does, please consider taking just a couple minutes to call and remind them to vote Tues, Nov 4 and to vote no on 1. A "no" vote will protect legal gay marriage there. This is a crucial election for the gay rights movement. Please spread the word!!!
  • hartfan

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    Nov 03, 2009 6:21 AM GMT
    meninlove said


    We're often pretty vocal in our support for gay marriage in the US, but lately, like now with this Prop 1 we're feeling a little jaded because of how things seem to work down there.

    Voting to repeal a legislated human right.

    If it gets stopped, then what? How long will you be safe before the next vote?


    You're right, Doug/Bill, after the whole Prop 8 fiasco, I don't blame anyone for becoming jaded about this whole issue. Even after six states (including Maine) have legalized same-sex marriage, it seems like the other site keeps getting energized, and we'll have another Prop 1 on our hands.

    But I think it is because the other side will never rest until they win, we have to keep fighting. No doubt in a protracted battle, people get tired and just want it to end. But that's why we're here for one another. We're all in this together fighting for our rights and our freedoms, and call me naive, but I think we have it within us to give support to each other when one of us tires, or gets disillusioned, or thinks of giving up.

    Maybe I'm too hopeful. Maybe we will ultimately not win this battle. Maybe it won't happen within our lifetimes. But I can't believe that, and I don't. And I certainly won't quit fighting. Because if I do, the other side wins, and our rights and our freedoms will remain deprived. I don't fault anyone for not taking up the mantle, but I hope we can find it within ourselves not to give up. This is too important.
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    Nov 03, 2009 6:25 AM GMT

    well, we think we understand better now, thanks hartfan, and also from reading this;

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/hommarrme7.htm

    OMG you guys have a fight on your hands because:

    "What is at stake?


    If Prop 1 is defeated, it would be an immense loss in credibility for religious and social conservatives. It would be the first time that a majority of the American public supported marriage equality via a referendum. SSM has been legalized in the other five states through legislative action or judicial decree.

    Greta Christina wrote on her blog, using somewhat inflammatory language:

    "In the U.S., same-sex marriage has never, ever won at the ballot box. Ever. The Right has always been able to use smears and scare tactics and even flat-out lies to keep voters from supporting same-sex marriage? tactics that are (marginally) less effective on judges and legislators than they are on voters."

    "If we win this one, it will be a huge precedent. The far right won't be able to say that the courts and legislatures are shoving same-sex marriage down the throats of the people. The people will have spoken. And they will have spoken for fairness and equality."



    If Prop 1 is passed, then the pro-equality forces would suffer a major loss in momentum. Maggie Gallagher, president of the National Organization for Marriage said:

    "Gay marriage advocates have tried to craft a story line that the 'culture has shifted' on gay marriage. A victory in Maine will prove they are wrong. It will also make it clear to the Supreme Court that the majority of Americans care about fighting for our marriage tradition." 6

    She correctly identifies the eventual goal, which is an inevitable appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court at some time in the future. When it reaches the court, if there is sufficient public support for SSM and a sufficient number of states that have legalized SSM, the court might issue a ruling legalizing same-sex marriage across the entire U.S. It did this during 1967 over interracial marriages. Interestingly, it was not until 1991 that a majority of adults in the U.S. were in favor of allowing interracial couples to marry."
  • hartfan

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    Nov 03, 2009 7:04 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    well, we think we understand better now, thanks hartfan, and also from reading this;

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/hommarrme7.htm

    OMG you guys have a fight on your hands because:

    "What is at stake?


    If Prop 1 is defeated, it would be an immense loss in credibility for religious and social conservatives. It would be the first time that a majority of the American public supported marriage equality via a referendum. SSM has been legalized in the other five states through legislative action or judicial decree.

    Greta Christina wrote on her blog, using somewhat inflammatory language:

    "In the U.S., same-sex marriage has never, ever won at the ballot box. Ever. The Right has always been able to use smears and scare tactics and even flat-out lies to keep voters from supporting same-sex marriage? tactics that are (marginally) less effective on judges and legislators than they are on voters."

    "If we win this one, it will be a huge precedent. The far right won't be able to say that the courts and legislatures are shoving same-sex marriage down the throats of the people. The people will have spoken. And they will have spoken for fairness and equality."



    If Prop 1 is passed, then the pro-equality forces would suffer a major loss in momentum. Maggie Gallagher, president of the National Organization for Marriage said:

    "Gay marriage advocates have tried to craft a story line that the 'culture has shifted' on gay marriage. A victory in Maine will prove they are wrong. It will also make it clear to the Supreme Court that the majority of Americans care about fighting for our marriage tradition." 6

    She correctly identifies the eventual goal, which is an inevitable appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court at some time in the future. When it reaches the court, if there is sufficient public support for SSM and a sufficient number of states that have legalized SSM, the court might issue a ruling legalizing same-sex marriage across the entire U.S. It did this during 1967 over interracial marriages. Interestingly, it was not until 1991 that a majority of adults in the U.S. were in favor of allowing interracial couples to marry."


    Thanks, Doug/Bill. I hadn't thought about this aspect before. This certainly makes the fight in Maine even more important.
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    Nov 03, 2009 4:15 PM GMT


    There needs to be a solid win in defeating these nasty Props. Just one to set the stage for change (we're finally understanding the kookiness of US style democracy in regards to human rights - still makes us nauseated, though).

    You know, the religious right in the US tried to meddle with the gay marriage decision up here. Oh yes, they wanted a referendum etc etc etc. Big money flowed across the border to Canada.

    Canadians apparently don't like being meddled with. Our Conservative gov't did a very clever thing. They decided to have a vote (in government only) on whether or not to have a vote on whether or not to have a referendum. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif

    In a way the US religious fanatics did a lot for Canadian gay marriage. Money well spent, eh? icon_lol.gif

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  • bigtallguy

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    Nov 03, 2009 9:20 PM GMT
    I'll marry someone in Maine if Prop 1 fails.

    Here's my Special Election Day Announcement:

  • metta

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    Nov 03, 2009 11:36 PM GMT
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    nice.... icon_smile.gif


    I have been told that this link will be the best way to get the quickest results for Maine and I think that the polls close at 8pm eastern time

    http://www.bangordailynews.com/electionresults.html




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  • metta

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    Nov 04, 2009 12:04 AM GMT
    Starting at 8pm tonight, when the polls close in Maine, there will be a live feed on the latest election results and streaming live video of our Election Night Party, so you can watch the evening program-- and any big announcements-- right along with the crowd in Maine.

    Just go to this website starting at 8pm EST:

    http://www.protectmaineequality.org



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    Nov 04, 2009 4:15 AM GMT
    51%
    REJECT SAME-SEX MARRIAGE LAW
    Yes 155361 50.31%
    No 153453 49.69%
    >.
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    Nov 04, 2009 4:32 AM GMT


    You can also get the State of Washington's update here: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/election-night-with-approve-71
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    Nov 04, 2009 4:34 AM GMT
    Slut_Bag said51%
    REJECT SAME-SEX MARRIAGE LAW
    Yes 155361 50.31%
    No 153453 49.69%
    >.


    shit is this final icon_sad.gif
  • metta

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    Nov 04, 2009 4:35 AM GMT
    ^
    no that is 51% of the vote

    Updates here:
    http://www.bangordailynews.com/electionresults.html

    Eeekk....at 66% of the vote

    It is moving back and forth right now...too close to call yet.




    Congrats to Michigan...it looks like the Kalamazoo gay rights ordinance will remain:

    http://www.wzzm13.com/news/news_story.aspx?storyid=115355&catid=14
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    Nov 04, 2009 4:38 AM GMT
    http://elections.nytimes.com/2009/results/other.html
    You can check the results here.