Is Barney Frank Relevant?

  • metta

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    Oct 16, 2009 5:05 PM GMT
    Is Barney Frank Relevant?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/irene-monroe/is-barney-frank-relevant_b_322752.html


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    Barney Frank Explains March Remarks

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    http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2009/10/15/Barney_Frank_Explains_March_Remarks/
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    Oct 16, 2009 6:53 PM GMT
    No. He certainly doesn't speak for me or any of my LGBTQ friends' opinions.
  • Celticmusl

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    Oct 16, 2009 6:54 PM GMT
    I think he is the godfather of the pink mafia.
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    Oct 16, 2009 6:55 PM GMT
    No.
    He uses the gay identity when he thinks he can profit from it. When it doesn't, marching for human rights and equality is not relevant for him.
  • Anto

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    Oct 16, 2009 6:58 PM GMT
    I just look at him as happening to be gay and that's about it.
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    Oct 16, 2009 7:05 PM GMT
    No he isn't, a lot of those knuckleheads in Washington aren't.
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    Oct 16, 2009 7:05 PM GMT
    I am not sure what to think of him. Certainly belittling the gay marchers is unnecessary. As far as questioning what good are people doing, I would ask him the same thing .. "what good have you done?"

    Should I tell him he is useless because as long as he has been in office he has not been able to pass any major legislation for gays?

    Furthermore, comparing us to the NRA is just DUMB!!!. here is why:

    1) I am sure there are more members of the NRA in office than there are gays ..
    2) gun owners have a whole amendment protecting them (we have zippo at least how the constitution is interpreted)
    3) and NRA is a powerful lobby I would think because it is also backed by a big money powerful commercial industry.

    What congress seems to be more moved by is not because the love their constituents, but because they get lots of money from lobbyists (aka a legal bribe).

    Instead of telling gays what not to do, he needs to tell us how much money we have to raise to buy some legislation like all the major corporations do. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 16, 2009 7:07 PM GMT
    He makes some good points, but he's clearly become Obama's point man for placating "teh gays". Maintaining the current Democratic power structure in Washington and pushing Obama's agenda are obviously his main priorities now, and the LGBT community getting riled up doesn't suit his purposes.

    He is right that our advocacy groups should be more effective like the NRA or AARP, and could definitely take some pointers from those groups. Unfortunately, we seem to be stuck with the HRC and Joe Solmonese and similar sycophants who are happy to just take the community's dollars, get photographed at fundraising dinners hobnobbing with politicians, and screw the community and its demands for equality. I wish there was an alternative, but the other major gay & lesbian national organizations aren't much better.
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    Oct 16, 2009 7:13 PM GMT
    Ask the people of his district, the people who elected him. He represents his constituents and not the Gay community.

    That said, yes he's very relevant. Just because he didn't agree with the march doesn't make him suddenly a pariah or an irrelevance.

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    Oct 16, 2009 7:22 PM GMT
    Is Barney Frank Relevant?

    No, he's just a self-absorbed, cranky old queen. Cheers that he was out in the US House, jeers that he hasn't had anything new or constructive to say in the last 15 years. And his role in the financial meltdown is very dubious.
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    Oct 16, 2009 7:23 PM GMT
    I think he's a pain in the ass.

    Who died and made him queen of the gays?
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    Oct 16, 2009 7:29 PM GMT
    He is one of the most powerful members of congress. He is the senior most member of the GLBTQ caucus. How is he not relevant?
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    Oct 16, 2009 7:34 PM GMT
    Relevant to what?

    I don't get the logic that if a politician spends 20 years in office growing rich, complacent, and sycophantic, it's still OK because he's one of us.
  • kinetic

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    Oct 16, 2009 9:01 PM GMT
    I think he's fucking awesome.
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    Oct 16, 2009 9:07 PM GMT
    TexDef07 saidRelevant to what?

    I don't get the logic that if a politician spends 20 years in office growing rich, complacent, and sycophantic, it's still OK because he's one of us.


    I agree completely, except I don't consider him one of me.

    Barney Frank is a "don't-rock-the-boat gay". He does not need laws changed because he is rich, powerful and secure. Those of us who are affected by these issues mean nothing to him.

    If people like him won't speak out, it is time for a new generation to make some noise and demand change. That he does not speak out, and worse, belittles the honest efforts of others, reflects very badly on him.

    And to think I actually used to like him.
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    Oct 16, 2009 9:26 PM GMT
    He spoke to our federal govt gay employee group some years ago and is as awesome, and more relevant today than he was then. I asked him back then if gay rights marchers did any good and he said no -- the way to get things done was to go see your senator or representative, pressure him as much as possible, and if he's unsympathetic, work to get him out. Frank's tactics have worked a lot better for us than parading down a street in leather or pink shorts and generally making a scene that is not popular with most voters. The way to advance our cause is not to march but to convince those not yet on our side that we are a hard-working and hard driving group of serious citizens who will kick their butts out of the Congress if our requests are refused.

    Glad I took an extra dose of Grumpy Tonic this AM!
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    Oct 16, 2009 10:18 PM GMT
    Chill guys. He's making the point that marching isn't enough. We also need to be bugging the ever living hell out of our representatives by calling them constantly and sending as many letters as we can stuff into mail boxes.

    He does miss the point of marches though. It's not so much to get laws passed, but more to make the public aware of what's going on.

    My question for those of you up in arms over his comments... when was the last time you contacted, by phone, your congress member? When was the last time you sent off an actual physical letter, stamp and all?
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    Oct 16, 2009 11:31 PM GMT
    Barney Frank relevant? Well, he is Chairman of the Financial Service Committee in the House of Representatives - - with a role in the way stimulus and bailout money is used.

    However - in '91 Frank was officially reprimanded for bringing "Discredit upon the House of Representatives." He paid a known prostitute $20,000 in fees (unreported to the IRS) and let him use his car - as well as run his "business" from Frank's Capitol Hill apartment - - putting a stop to it only when it came to light and was reported by building management. Frank also used congressional letterhead to write a reference letter to the prostitute's p.o. The prostitute - a convicted felon with a prison record by the name of Steve Gobie - claimed Frank knew he was running the prostitution ring from Frank's apartment. Frank denied this - but the Democrat controlled House voted 408 - 18 to reprimand Frank anyway - saying Frank's claim that he knew nothing of Gobie's criminal activities was "incredible to say the least."

    Is Frank relevant? Frank is an embarrassment who should have been relieved of his duties a long time ago.
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    Oct 16, 2009 11:39 PM GMT
    Jockbod48 saidHowever - in '91 Frank was officially reprimanded for bringing "Discredit upon the House of Representatives." He paid a known prostitute $20,000 in fees (unreported to the IRS) and let him use his car - as well as run his "business" from Frank's Capitol Hill apartment - - putting a stop to it only when it came to light and was reported by building management. Frank also used congressional letterhead to write a reference letter to the prostitute's p.o. The prostitute - a convicted felon with a prison record by the name of Steve Gobi - claimed Frank knew he was running the prostitution ring from Frank's apartment. Frank denied this - but the Democrat controlled House voted 408 - 18 to reprimand Frank anyway - saying Frank's claim that he knew nothing of Gobi's criminal activities was incredible to say the least.
    icon_eek.gificon_redface.gif Now there's an idea! Maybe we should send prostitutes to Washington! Then again maybe that's what "for pay" lobbyists are anyway icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 16, 2009 11:42 PM GMT
    viveutvivas saidIf people like him won't speak out, it is time for a new generation to make some noise and demand change. That he does not speak out, and worse, belittles the honest efforts of others, reflects very badly on him.

    I agree. He once had potential, and was important to the gay rights movement many years ago. Now he's merely part of the complacent Establishment, telling us what we CAN'T do, not what we CAN do. His comments about the gay rights march in DC last weekend were an embarrassment, and harmful to the gay cause.

    He's become part of the Problem, not its solution. I think we can do a lot better than the burnt-out has-been Barney Frank.
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    Oct 17, 2009 12:16 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidI agree. He once had potential, and was important to the gay rights movement many years ago. Now he's merely part of the complacent Establishment, telling us what we CAN'T do, not what we CAN do. His comments about the gay rights march in DC last weekend were an embarrassment, and harmful to the gay cause.

    He's become part of the Problem, not its solution. I think we can do a lot better than the burnt-out has-been Barney Frank.
    You are right. It is funny how people can miss such an obvious point. That march was about so much more his stupid comment. Now if we had marched there to give Barney Frank and the DNC a check for a couple of million dollars for their campaigns, do you think he would have complained and criticized? icon_rolleyes.gif

    As it is, Julian Bond of the NAACP thought it was important enough to speak at, and it was about networking, mobilizing, and more:





    http://equalityacrossamerica.org/blog/?page_id=19
    It is supposed to be something that we can continue beyond that weekend.

    It also gave a new generation of gay people a chance to participate
    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1929747,00.html
    Time MagazineThe march on Washington that gays staged Sunday on the National Mall drew something like 200,000 people — that's a good guess based on conversations with many of the organizers and local authorities, although estimates of Mall crowds are notoriously unreliable. But one number you can take to the bank: the average age of those backstage who wore walkie-talkie headsets and staff badges, the men (and a few women) who were behind much of the organizing effort, wasn't over 30. And that, by far, was the oddest thing about the march: Why would a generation wired to their mobile phones and Facebook accounts nearly from birth want to resurrect a form of political expression as old and musty as a mass gathering?
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    Oct 17, 2009 12:36 AM GMT
    antelope said Frank's tactics have worked a lot better for us than parading down a street in leather or pink shorts and generally making a scene that is not popular with most voters.


    Did you actually look at any video of the DC march? I didn't see the pink shorts, leather thongs, feather boas, tit clamps, or whatever else Barney thinks would annoy the Administration.
  • Webster666

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    Oct 17, 2009 12:53 AM GMT
    I think it's great to have someone on our side who speaks his mind and isn't a wishy washy cream puff like Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.
  • barriehomeboy

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    Oct 17, 2009 1:36 AM GMT
    Don't kid yourself. Barny Franks opened the door for a black president.
  • barriehomeboy

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    Oct 17, 2009 1:37 AM GMT
    Sometimes you can see the forest more clearly from outside than within. That's was the opinion of someone NOT in the USA. The rest of the world watches Rome burn and has opinions too.