So Cleve Jone's vanity group is not going away, huh???

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    Oct 16, 2009 7:10 PM GMT
    I'm livid. I just received an email from so-called Equality Across America asking me to become a monthly donor. As is diverting hundreds of thousands of dollars from fights in Washington, Michigan and Maine isn't bad enough, now EAA is going to become yet ANOTHER national organization???

    Despite my antipathy toward HRC, I can't fathom what Cleve's vanity project is going to do that the Task Force, Equality Federation, and countless other national groups aren't already doing, besides divert money away from existing organizations.icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 17, 2009 1:55 AM GMT
    I think that's his point. All the existing national LGBT organizations have been doing nothing, they're worse than useless because they're unaccountable and divert all the resources and function as partisan campaign coffers, and it's time to nuke them and start all over from scratch.
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    Oct 17, 2009 3:35 AM GMT
    Having worked in the movement for years, I have to take exception with your statement. HRC is certainly useless, but other - much smaller - organizations are doing really good important work. There is simply no need to create another organization that will - what? - ask people to call Congress. We already have about 10 organizations that do that. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 17, 2009 4:33 AM GMT
    Maybe so, but I don't think Cleve Jones sees it that way. There is a huge amount of frustration and disappointment in the community right now, partly coming from Prop 8, partly from the complete lack of any progress from Obama and Harry and Nancy, and a lot of people are starting to blame our national organizations. Actually, this is exactly what Barney Frank's comments on Joy Behar's show were saying without pointing them out by name: Barney is saying that the reason we don't have more progress is because our national orgs are so un-like the NRA and AARP, which he cited as advocacy groups that get results.
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    Oct 17, 2009 4:52 AM GMT

    Cleve Jones is hardly a newcomer to political organizing.

    He was shouting, "Out of the bars and into the streets," rallying the San Francisco gay community to fight together for a common cause, back when he was practically a kid, and to great effect.

    The AIDS Memorial Quilt was his brilliant idea that helped millions of people cope with their grief over the loss of loved ones to the epidemic.

    Cleve Jones will make things happen.
    And, I certainly don't see where vanity has anything to do with it.

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    Oct 17, 2009 5:00 AM GMT
    Yes, I really like Cleve.

    Another name that has been tossed around a lot on the gay blogs recently is Dan Savage. I've got to say I really like that idea. Dan may be just a sex advice columnist, but he has hit all the right messages loud and clear over the past 9 months, and seems to really have his finger on the pulse of how the gay community feels and what it wants right now, whereas Joe Solmonese, Hilary Rosen and the other national "leaders" appear to be totally clueless sycophants to the Dems. He has 100 times more political sense, it seems to me, than the professional LGBT political operatives.
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    Oct 17, 2009 5:40 AM GMT
    Webster666 said
    Cleve Jones is hardly a newcomer to political organizing.

    He was shouting, "Out of the bars and into the streets," rallying the San Francisco gay community to fight together for a common cause, back when he was practically a kid, and to great effect.

    The AIDS Memorial Quilt was his brilliant idea that helped millions of people cope with their grief over the loss of loved ones to the epidemic.

    Cleve Jones will make things happen.
    And, I certainly don't see where vanity has anything to do with it.

    Cleve Jones marched with Harvey Milk!!
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    Oct 17, 2009 5:46 AM GMT
    Neophoenician saidMaybe so, but I don't think Cleve Jones sees it that way. There is a huge amount of frustration and disappointment in the community right now, partly coming from Prop 8, partly from the complete lack of any progress from Obama and Harry and Nancy, and a lot of people are starting to blame our national organizations. Actually, this is exactly what Barney Frank's comments on Joy Behar's show were saying without pointing them out by name: Barney is saying that the reason we don't have more progress is because our national orgs are so un-like the NRA and AARP, which he cited as advocacy groups that get results.
    We need someone that can unite all our little organizations/movements into one powerful organization like NRA and AARP.
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    Oct 17, 2009 3:19 PM GMT
    With all due respect to the opinions here, EAA won't change what I agree are systemic problems with our movement. In fact, I recently left a job due to frustration with our lack of progress. On the other hand, we have seen enormous progress in the last 20 years or so. I feel that Prop 8 has created a terrible myopia in our community, which is being exploited - unwittingly or not - by Jones and his crew. One of the biggest problems in our movement is that HRC has nearly 40% of all the money that goes into our movement and delivers very little in the way of results. I agree with the criticisms of Solmonese and Rosen (both HRCers), but creating another organization that will eat up funds from groups like the Task Force, Lambda Legal and Equality Federation, which do get results, doesn't help us.
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    Oct 17, 2009 3:23 PM GMT



    Oh, sorry! I thought you said "Jive Jones"......
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    Oct 17, 2009 3:31 PM GMT
    I gave up donating money to HRC years ago.

    Depending on what EAA does, it might convince me that I should be involved again.

    Maybe instead of being livid with Cleve Jones because he's going to split resources (reminds me of people being livid with Nader) you could consider that this is an opportunity to bring in people who have been disaffected by the current national gay establishment.