APPROVE REF 71 - Domestic partnership law

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    Oct 18, 2009 4:40 AM GMT
    Just a reminder for all you of you with friends who live in Washington State to remind them to APPROVE Referendum 71 - the equal domestic partnership law. If would grant same-sex couples the exact same rights and privileges as married heterosexual couples. Ballots are already being send out and people are already voting. I sent mine in today. Washington State is virtually split down the middle as far as right-wingers and left-wingers. In 2004 the governors race was won by a mere 47 votes out of over 2 million votes cast. In the polls, this referendum is currently also a neck to neck battle. EVERY VOTE COUNTS!
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    Oct 18, 2009 4:42 AM GMT
    Also don't forget you can vote out 4 of those asshole judges who decided gay marriage should remain illegal. *sigh* if it weren't for East Washington that state would be a miniature Massachusetts. Oh and that's not a stab at you Thomas. E.Wa. is much more conservative.
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    Oct 18, 2009 4:11 PM GMT
    Would it include straight couples?
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    Oct 18, 2009 4:44 PM GMT
    My partner and I have a Domestic Partnership registration in WA State so we will definitely be voting to APPROVE Ref. 71.

    If you are a WA State voter, please vote to APPROVE Ref. 71. Read more about it at approvereferendum71.org
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    Oct 18, 2009 5:16 PM GMT
    I wish there was some way for us out- of -state guys to weigh in on this and voice our opinion.
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    Oct 18, 2009 5:29 PM GMT
    Looks like it does not include opposite sex couples unless they are seniors? I think voting stuff like this in only reinforces discrimination against gays (and discrimination in general) and the idea that gays and straights are not equal.

    It's a lot like here in California. We have domestic partnerships that are almost like marriage with some differences. It doesn't include straight couples unless they are seniors, I think for some kind of government benefit.

    It just doesn't make sense to decry discrimination against gays while voting in policies that are discriminatory against straights. Also, putting in almost-equal same-sex contracts to marriage can also give reason to not move forward with gay marriage. That happened in California too when a supreme court judge rhetorically asked what gays were being denied for not having marriage when they had domestic partnership (in regard to prop eight).
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    Oct 18, 2009 5:30 PM GMT
    KissingPro saidI wish there was some way for us out- of -state guys to weigh in on this and voice our opinion.


    I disagree, because it would fail in opposition.

    Is WA like Maine, where legislation that has already passed in the legislative branch and has been signed into law by the Governor in the executive branch, can be put up for a vote by the electorate? That's what is happening in Maine.
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    Oct 19, 2009 5:21 AM GMT
    dfrw said

    Is WA like Maine, where legislation that has already passed in the legislative branch and has been signed into law by the Governor in the executive branch, can be put up for a vote by the electorate? That's what is happening in Maine.


    Yes. As I understand it, this is a law already on the books that is being challenged by the conservative right.

    @Jake -- Yes, Eastern WA is conservative, but that it out-tips the 'liberal' Western part of the state is a myth. There's really not enough population base in the eastern three-quarters of the state to outbalance the Seattle area. There are a lot of conservatives over in the Western part of the state too -- at Washington State U. on the eastern border, we had a ton of very conservative students, and most were from Seattle. Go figure, huh?

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    Oct 19, 2009 1:47 PM GMT
    This is off topic, but concerns the idea of democracy and the people being allowed to vote to repeal or reinforce a a law passed by the legislature.

    A lot was written by America's founding fathers about the tyranny of the "mobs", the people...the uneduacated masses.

    Democracy is not intended to satisfy the will of the majority, but to protect the rights of the minority from the irrational emotional mob mentality.

    That's what happened during the 60's. when most Americans were against civil rights for balck people and the federal government had to step in, against the will of the majority, to enforce equal rights.

    That's where smart forceful political leaders come into play....the ones who have the courage to do what is right, even if it is political suicide. Sadly, there are precious few out there nowdays.
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    Oct 19, 2009 2:10 PM GMT
    Anto saidLooks like it does not include opposite sex couples unless they are seniors? I think voting stuff like this in only reinforces discrimination against gays (and discrimination in general) and the idea that gays and straights are not equal.


    Washington State already has domestic partnerships for opposite-sex couples. This referendum would expand those rights to same-sex couples.
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    Oct 19, 2009 6:32 PM GMT
    Munchie,
    Why does the site mention seniors then? Are seniors not allowed to be in domestic partnerships?

    See?:
    "About Referendum 71: Voting APPROVE on Ref. 71 is a vote to keep the domestic partnership law that provides legal protections for lesbian and gay couples and seniors who are in committed relationships."
    http://approvereferendum71.org/
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    Oct 19, 2009 7:27 PM GMT
    Seniors who marry can lose their social security benefits. This measure would allow them to keep their benefits without forgoing other rights that are important to seniors, such as medical decision making and estate management.
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    Oct 19, 2009 7:32 PM GMT
    Do you know if that is the same in regard to gay couples in domestic partnerships or does the federal government not get involved with domestic partnership and gays just seniors?
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    Oct 19, 2009 7:33 PM GMT
    On the Maine cases:
    Wasn't it approved by the governor because it explicitly stated that churches CANNOT lose their tax exemption if they refuse to marry a same-sex couple?
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    I'm in neither state, so all I can do is send my best! Try hard and good luck guys.
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    Oct 19, 2009 7:51 PM GMT
    Anto saidDo you know if that is the same in regard to gay couples in domestic partnerships or does the federal government not get involved with domestic partnership and gays just seniors?


    Domestic Partnerships aren't recognized by the Federal Government, and so don't enter into Social Security issues.

    While I think anyone should be able to enter into a Domestic Partnership, allowing seniors to not lose their federal benefits while still getting the state's rights (which are particularly important for seniors, as they include hospital visitation, end of life decisions, power of attorney) makes sense. It isn't perfect, but it is no enemy of the good.
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    Oct 19, 2009 8:33 PM GMT
    If Washington State is split right down the middle between right wingers and left wingers, it sounds like a horribly polarized place. How did it come to be that all your centrists and multidimensional thinkers are now gone? Good luck with this. I predict riots, if what you are saying is true.

    Anyway, I hope it passes. We need more states on board.
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    Oct 22, 2009 6:37 PM GMT
    I just received my ballot in the mail so I thought I'd remind all WA State voters to APPROVE Referendum 71. approvereferendum71.org
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    Nov 04, 2009 4:53 AM GMT
    Voting booths closed at 8PM. so far:

    Approve 52%
    Reject: 48%
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    Nov 04, 2009 5:30 AM GMT

    We've been following it and Maine's elections on this:

    http://elections.nytimes.com/2009/results/other.html
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    Nov 04, 2009 5:42 AM GMT
    It's every BUT marriage for fuck's sake- this is where the real 'h8' is...