Any Gay Mormons out there

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    Oct 19, 2009 1:43 AM GMT
    Hi!

    A late night conversation with a friend brought up some interesting questions, I'm wondering how many gay Mormon's there are out there and what you still in your faith.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Oct 19, 2009 1:55 AM GMT
    While I'm not morman, I had a conversation on Friday with a potential new client who had been. I was stunned with what he told me....

    61 years old, had been married for many years, 4 children and was gainfully employed as a college professor. He came out to his wife, who accepted the fact he is gay with some time...(he remained married). Ended up going public and was interviewed by the largest newspaper in Utah.
    The church "excommunicated" him and his wife (who ended up contracting breast cancer and is now deceased). Both his and his wife's family have nothing to do with either him or his 4 children. I was stunned.

    He's a very strong man and I have a great deal of personal respect for him.
    It will be great if I get to work with him as a client.
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    Oct 19, 2009 2:51 AM GMT
    Mormon and gay? dont tell anyone, I grew up in a very high population of Mormons, as happened to Hndsm's client, any member of the Mormon Church who participates in homosexual behavior and fails to go through the Church disciplinary system and repent to the Church's satisfaction will be excommunicated.

    Homosexual acts is next to murder on the scale of sin in the Mormon Church, forgivable, whereas murder is not, but will effectively end your associations with other members 90% of the time if it becomes known.

    Same Sex Attraction is accepted in the Church, acting upon it is not.

    When adults are baptized they are asked if they have ever participated in homosexual acts, if yes, no baptism.

    There are several former mormon's on here, who's core beliefs are based in mormonism, but in the eyes of the Church they are not worthy to be considered members.
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    Oct 19, 2009 2:51 AM GMT
    Affirmations is a national gay Mormon group
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    Oct 19, 2009 2:54 AM GMT
    You can certainly make your own path and find a goodness in yourself apart from any church, but I understand that there are some people that don't feel comfortable leaving their religion totally.

    There are groups of Mormon's that do not have a problem with sexuality. Here is a website.

    http://mormonsformarriage.com/
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    Oct 19, 2009 3:05 AM GMT
    Former Mormon (aka "Fomo Momo")

    I dropped the religion around 13, but kept going for appearances until 16 or so. It's total nonsense.
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    Oct 19, 2009 3:08 AM GMT
    I am sure there are "Gay Uncle Tom" Mormons out there.
  • ASUbusy

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    Oct 19, 2009 3:10 AM GMT
    gay mormons are the worst
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    Oct 19, 2009 3:11 AM GMT
    I have to think there are certain factors that in the religion that are good. I have family that holds true to the religion so I hope it helps them.

    Not that I am comparing blacks to gays, I certainly don't think that comparison is as strong as others. But find it fascinating that in the same way blacks had L-DS temples and meeting rooms until the church finally accepting them gays have this as well.

    I also have issues with how one can believe the process of the pre-life, and think that gays would choose in pre-existence to be gay and live a lie in order to reach the fullest of the faith they have chosen.

    These are just a few of the questions I have from our conversation, thanks for the links I shall check them out.

    I myself was L-DS until I was 18, but mostly it was a social thing as I came from an area that was dominantly L-DS, and while I personally decided it wasn't my faith I never thought of it as a total scam or something that might not work for some, it just doesn't work for me.
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    Oct 19, 2009 3:46 AM GMT
    Two of my first bfs were Mormon, great guys and great families.
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    Oct 19, 2009 4:16 AM GMT
    pdxboxer saidTwo of my first bfs were Mormon, great guys and great families.


    Supporting a church teaching/working against gays - yeah real great! What a bunch of Gay Uncle Toms.
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    Oct 19, 2009 4:17 AM GMT
    phemt said
    pdxboxer saidTwo of my first bfs were Mormon, great guys and great families.


    Supporting a church teaching/working against gays - yeah real great! What a bunch of Gay Uncle Toms.


    Great individuals who happened to be Mormon, I bet if we look there are some great guys who are republican too.
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    Oct 19, 2009 4:37 AM GMT
    I was raised mormon and attended services until I was about 19. I don't identify myself as mormon at all anymore, and overall I find that the religion seems to encourage homophobia and an overall silly attitude to anything different. Some mormons are pretty good people and I still have a few mormon friends despite me being a dirty heathen homo.
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    Oct 19, 2009 4:39 AM GMT
    canadian1der saidI was raised mormon and attended services until I was about 19. I don't identify myself as mormon at all anymore, and overall I find that the religion seems to encourage homophobia and an overall silly attitude to anything different. Some mormons are pretty good people and I still have a few mormon friends despite me being a dirty heathen homo.



    you forgot Canadian as well... icon_eek.gif
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    Oct 19, 2009 4:51 AM GMT
    Any Mormon gents out there needing some practice so you don't hump or vote like a Mormon, give this boy in AZ a pull icon_wink.gif

    ASUbusy saidgay mormons are the worst


    ,,, the worst at what, ASU?

    returning phone calls? telling a joke? or big things like kissing? or snogging? wanking? blowing? banging? Whichever, did you show them how? Give it a go, you look like real talent
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 19, 2009 5:10 AM GMT
    I know several gay mormons and they are quality guys and come from really nice families. I can't imagine how difficult it would be to come to terms with your sexuality coming from a mormon background, but the guys I know seem to have come through it just fine, and they still love their mormon religion regardless.
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    Oct 19, 2009 9:02 AM GMT
    PACK OF WOLVES HERE.....icon_neutral.gif
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    Oct 19, 2009 9:59 AM GMT
    RST2009 said
    phemt said
    pdxboxer saidTwo of my first bfs were Mormon, great guys and great families.


    Supporting a church teaching/working against gays - yeah real great! What a bunch of Gay Uncle Toms.


    Great individuals who happened to be Mormon, I bet if we look there are some great guys who are republican too.


    Yup, another telling *choice*. Always good to throw your lot in with the people who want to oppress and discriminate against you! Now, a gay mormon republican might just make me puke.
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    Oct 19, 2009 11:04 AM GMT
    I grew up going to a Mormon church as well, but dodged the whole baptism thing, and stopped going around 13 I think.

    While the church as an institution has some pretty messed up policies, and clearly crosses the line of separation of church and state, I have known some individual Mormons who were still decent people. One of my mom's best friends is one of those decent ones - she's been able to act as a mediator recently in all marriage equality / prop 8 discussions between me and my mom - the friend even voted against it, which was in direct defiance to the wishes of the church.

    Similarly, how many of you can say that you're in 100% agreement with the views and opinions of all other gays and lesbians out there? As if we're part of some larger Borg / hive mentality. The ignorance and insularity displayed on this forum is pretty disgusting sometimes.
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    Oct 19, 2009 11:08 AM GMT
    "The ignorance and insularity displayed on this forum is pretty disgusting sometimes. "

    Perhaps, but it's nothing compared to the ignorance and insularity put forth like projectile diarhhea coming from the mormon pulpit.
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    Oct 19, 2009 1:39 PM GMT
    To answer the OP:

    yes there are many gay mormons, though most won´t admit it as they have been told that it is evil. Some stay within the church structures and marry, some stay single, others abandon the whole damn mess. That´s about right, isn´t it?

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    Oct 19, 2009 2:08 PM GMT
    McGay said"The ignorance and insularity displayed on this forum is pretty disgusting sometimes. "

    Perhaps, but it's nothing compared to the ignorance and insularity put forth like projectile diarhhea coming from the mormon pulpit.


    someone else spouting vitriol isn't justification to spout your own.
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    Oct 19, 2009 3:38 PM GMT
    Lostboy saidTo answer the OP:

    yes there are many gay mormons, though most won´t admit it as they have been told that it is evil. Some stay within the church structures and marry, some stay single, others abandon the whole damn mess. That´s about right, isn´t it?

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    Exactly true. Growing up as a Mormon myself (I left the Church when I came out at age 24), I can tell you there are far more gay LDS than most are willing to admit. It was indeed pounded in our heads over and over again how evil homosexuality is, and how eternally worthless you are if you are gay. With that kind of pressure, most of them stay in the closet, if the Church and their families are important to them. Even so, when I served my mission, the Church's internal statistic was that 1 in 7 mormon missionaries had at least one same-sex sexual experience during their mission.

    It is very hard tho for a great many of us. When I came out, I had no contact with my family for almost 9 years, since they "could not condone my sin." But, I do not regret it. I have to be who I am.
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    Oct 19, 2009 3:40 PM GMT
    There's plenty of justification to be found, unless you see no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil.
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    Oct 19, 2009 4:10 PM GMT
    Mystic_Man saidPACK OF WOLVES HERE.....icon_neutral.gif


    And justifiably so. I'll repost my own experience with the Mormon church I originally posted in the other recent Mormon thread.

    CuriousJockAZ saidAgain labeling a whole group based on the actions or beliefs of a few. All I know is that every single Mormon I have ever met has been the salt of the earth, a quality person, and very nice.


    You bought a load of bullshit. It's a carefully cultivated act.

    My father's family is Mormon, all of his friends were Mormon so I had a real up close front row seat.

    My grandfather brought me into his Mormon Boy Scout troop, Troop 43 in Moses Lake Washington. Under his direction while camping, your "salt of the earth" types beat me, tied me to trees, burnt me with burning sticks and hot knives and peed on me and my sleeping bag on a regular basis. I still have scars on my forearms from burns and cuts delivered by your "quality", "nice" people.

    Any why? Because I would not convert and give my Testament. That's all the reason my grandfather or any Mormon I knew ever needed.