Any guys that are current or former Jehovah Witnesses?

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    Oct 19, 2009 5:47 AM GMT
    I grew up in the Jehovah Witness Organization. In one way it was safeguard as it prevented me from doing some crazy things in life - basically it was a huge speed bump. But on the flip side I struggled for years trying to reconcile who I was and the teachings of that organization. I've come a long way but even to this day my thinking on some matters is very much influenced by what I was taught. It's almost as if you can never shake yourself totally free. No malice is held towards the organization.

    Anyone else have a similar experience and what are you doing - if anything - these days with the organization?
  • nominatio

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    Oct 19, 2009 12:06 PM GMT
    Jehovas Withnesses..
    Gays doesnt have a part in the new world mate! But keep praying for your soul and Jehovas Plan!

    "God made us(humans) perfect"
    Do you remember what does Bible says about Sodoma?
    Archangels came down and did first gaysex!
    God destroyed all of them with Sodoma...

    So, i suggest you to leave Jehovas Withnesses (to defend yourself and Jehovas Organization), but you can stay close to God on your own.(pray for healthy mind)
    Its Satan's curse that you are gay. If you keep praying, God will see you wanted to destroy him out of you, but u were too weak to do it. And He will see that u had to leave the Organization to protect it! On last day, God will resurrect you and all who tried to fight against Satan. Just read the Bible...

    Mail me if wanna talk...
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    Oct 19, 2009 1:22 PM GMT
    There must be some kind of way out of here
    Said the joker to the thief
    Theres too much confusion
    I cant get no relief
    Businessman they drink my wine
    Plow men dig my earth
    None will level on the line
    Nobody of it is worth
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    Oct 20, 2009 4:42 AM GMT
    nominatio saidJehovas Withnesses..
    Gays doesnt have a part in the new world mate! But keep praying for your soul and Jehovas Plan!

    "God made us(humans) perfect"
    Do you remember what does Bible says about Sodoma?
    Archangels came down and did first gaysex!
    God destroyed all of them with Sodoma...

    So, i suggest you to leave Jehovas Withnesses (to defend yourself and Jehovas Organization), but you can stay close to God on your own.(pray for healthy mind)
    Its Satan's curse that you are gay. If you keep praying, God will see you wanted to destroy him out of you, but u were too weak to do it. And He will see that u had to leave the Organization to protect it! On last day, God will resurrect you and all who tried to fight against Satan. Just read the Bible...

    Mail me if wanna talk...


    You okay???icon_eek.gif
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    Oct 20, 2009 5:10 AM GMT
    icon_eek.gif I think someone had too much jesus juice
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    Oct 20, 2009 5:13 AM GMT
    TheGuyNextDoor saidWow,, yesterday it was the Mormons and not the JW's....
    Who's next, The Holy Rollers and their snakes?
    The snakes come here on their own icon_redface.gif
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    Oct 20, 2009 5:27 AM GMT
    TheGuyNextDoor saidWow,, yesterday it was the Mormons and now the JW's....
    Who's next, The Holy Rollers and their snakes?



    Oh my,,, the snakes Ssssssssssssssssss!


    Want a little shock? Check out Holly Roller televangelist Paul Crouch's houses in Beverly Hills here. What a compound. He and his wife own both of those mansions - plus more in Newport Beach. There's more........the gravy-training kids have mansions of their own. When you think how be begs for dollars from poor, uneducated people around the country - - - and then buys houses, jets, boats and God knows what all else........it just makes me ill.
    http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/paul-crouchs-house-1/view/?service=1#
  • mynyun

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    Oct 20, 2009 5:27 AM GMT
    I'm a trouser snake handler. Does that count.?? icon_biggrin.gif
  • nominatio

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    Oct 20, 2009 12:46 PM GMT
    ssguy69 said
    nominatio saidJehovas Withnesses..
    Gays doesnt have a part in the new world mate! But keep praying for your soul and Jehovas Plan!

    "God made us(humans) perfect"
    Do you remember what does Bible says about Sodoma?
    Archangels came down and did first gaysex!
    God destroyed all of them with Sodoma...

    So, i suggest you to leave Jehovas Withnesses (to defend yourself and Jehovas Organization), but you can stay close to God on your own.(pray for healthy mind)
    Its Satan's curse that you are gay. If you keep praying, God will see you wanted to destroy him out of you, but u were too weak to do it. And He will see that u had to leave the Organization to protect it! On last day, God will resurrect you and all who tried to fight against Satan. Just read the Bible...

    Mail me if wanna talk...


    You okay???icon_eek.gif


    No im not okay... O-O
  • Celticmusl

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    Oct 20, 2009 2:09 PM GMT
    I've been going to Bible study for over a year with the JW's. I appreciate a lot of their research and understanding on the Bible. Under JW beliefs, if I understand it, none of us are perfect after the first sin. I agree a little bit with Nominatio, God made us and he knows all of our imperfections, so why would he expect us to go against how we are made.
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    Oct 20, 2009 4:17 PM GMT
    My father was a jehovah's witness. I still remember to this day him sitting my brother and I down and reading to us about paradise. He didn't celebrate holidays and followed a lot of strict rules. It was very stressful to deal with as a child.

    Not just because his religious beliefs were so strict and limiting, but because my mother wasn't a jehovah's witness and she told us his bible was fake and not to listen to him. So my brother and i lived double lives. At home were what mom wanted us to be and when we visited our dad, we were jehovah's witnesses.

    By the time i reached 13 I stopped going to church altogether. There was one point around age 17 that I started studying with the witnesses again and two teens around my age would come over and we'd read and interpret verses and stuff, but one day I asked the younger one who always stayed quiet and never said much, what has this religion done for you. He waited until the other guy wasn't looking and he whispered to me, Nothing.

    At that point I kind of decided I was officially done. With all religions.
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    Oct 20, 2009 4:52 PM GMT
    I had Jehovah Witnesses ring my bell this morning. I work non-traditional hours and they woke me up! Only reason I got up to answer the door was because I am expecting an UPS package. I told them how rude it is to disturb people at home (and in my case waking me up) with their personal beliefs. I asked for their home address so I, and others, could go to their homes and disturb them - of course they wouldn't give that information.

    I've known Jehovah Witnesses and overall they are decent people. I used to see them all the time handing out the WatchTower near a train station. They are usually very polite unlike other screaming street preachers I come across. Their practice of disturbing people at home, however, is really annoying.
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    Oct 20, 2009 4:54 PM GMT
    Any religion can be "cultish" and the members, while sharing beneficial teachings and prayers, also tend to shun the rest of the world and think of themselves as god's chosen.

    JW people believe that there is a finite # of people who wil be allowed in heaven...............a rather arbitray number.......something like 186,000. Do JW people really believe this?

    Any religion that sets up a lottery system for admission to heaven doesn't sound right.
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    Oct 20, 2009 5:01 PM GMT
    I think the number is 144,000. Besides the "knocking at your door". Jehovah Witnesses don't concern me as much as other "Christians" (yes I am aware some don't consider JWs to be Christians). Besides securing their rights I am really not that aware of them being invovled politically to deny gay rights or other traditional religious right issues.
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    Oct 20, 2009 5:04 PM GMT
    I was walking on Broadway a couple months back when I got approached by a guy with a stack of Watchtower rags. He asked if he could talk to me. Knowing what it was about, I said no. He said "you don't have to be a fucking asshole about it". I agreed, he was doing a good enough job for the both of us. I don't think I'd ever heard a missionary curse during the course of his work.
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    Oct 20, 2009 5:08 PM GMT
    My bf was raised JW. His family disowned him at the age of 16 because he came out. Pulled him out of school and threw him to the streets. He's had to struggle for everything ever since, and this happened 10 years ago. JW are terrible people. Being gay is one of the worst things to JW, and they are enemies of gays in this country.
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    Oct 20, 2009 5:14 PM GMT
    McGay saidI was walking on Broadway a couple months back when I got approached by a guy with a stack of Watchtower rags. He asked if he could talk to me. Knowing what it was about, I said no. He said "you don't have to be a fucking asshole about it". I agreed, he was doing a good enough job for the both of us. I don't think I'd ever heard a missionary curse during the course of his work.


    I am sure he was having a a bad day after having is "message" rejected so often. I wonder if the Elders hold members to a quota? Like are those people on the street expected to bring in a certian number of people.
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    Oct 20, 2009 5:27 PM GMT
    KissingPro saidAny religion can be "cultish" and the members, while sharing beneficial teachings and prayers, also tend to shun the rest of the world and think of themselves as god's chosen.

    JW people believe that there is a finite # of people who wil be allowed in heaven...............a rather arbitray number.......something like 186,000. Do JW people really believe this?

    Any religion that sets up a lottery system for admission to heaven doesn't sound right.


    Like someone else posted, it's 144,000. It is in the book of Revelations from the Bible so it is based on the teachings of the Bible. They believe this is true, but the rest of us will live in the "Heaven On Earth" with Jesus being the ruler, which is also in the book of Revelations. "Thy kingdom come, they will be done, on earth as it is in heaven". The kingdom will come to earth and the 144,000 are to help teach others how to live a life that pleases God. Another thing, JWs do not believe in hell. Either you will be in heaven, or on earth in God's kingdom, or you will no longer exist....those are the three states of being.
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    Oct 20, 2009 5:53 PM GMT
    hey. I was also raised a JW. Celtic is right, the bible does say that only a specific number of people will go to heaven, to rule with Christ as kings and priests. If you read the bible, God's original purpose was for man to live on earth forever, not for earth to be a testing ground for people to go to heaven or burn in hell forever. His will has not changed. The scriptures tell us that he will resurrect the vast majority of all mankind who have died to live forever in the conditions he originally intended.

    I also find it hard to believe that a witness would swear at somebody while in the ministry, but hey, even good people have a really bad day every now an then.

    The Witnesses are good people, tho like any imperfect organization, there are a few bad apples. They genuinely care about people and want to help them. They only bother people at their homes because they feel that people's lives are at stake and they want to help. Of course they know some people are aggravated by it, but they feel that people's lives are worth a little aggravation sometimes.

    And unlike these "christians" you hear so much about, they do not campaign against the rights of others. In fact, they have taken more cases to the Supreme Court to defend their own rights and the rights of others than any other organization. True, they require all of their members to live by bible standards, and so you cannot be a baptized member in good standing if you are a practicing homosexual, but the same goes for straight people who are not married and are sexually active, drug abusers, drunks, thiefs, etc. They don't believe that homosexuality is a sin worse than any of the others. Sin is sin, end of story.

    That being said, I am struggling with everything because tho I know that what they teach is the truth, I am attracted to men, and having a very hard time living by bible standards (obviously, as I am looking at this site) Being gay and a JW is extremely stressful, especially if you make the mistake of getting married thinking you can change your orientation. It's hard enough trying to remain celibit when you're horny as heck, let alone trying to maintain a relationship with someone you are not attracted to physically.

    So, just wanted to set the record straight on a couple points. The JWs don't hate you, they love everyone, they just want you to know that God asks you to conform to his moral standards, regardless of your sexual orientation.
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    Oct 20, 2009 6:08 PM GMT
    profile1111 saidhey.
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    They genuinely care about people and want to help them. They only bother people at their homes because they feel that people's lives are at stake and they want to help. Of course they know some people are aggravated by it, but they feel that people's lives are worth a little aggravation sometimes.
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    How about Jehovah Witnesses post their phone numbers/address so people of other faiths can try to save them. I am sure there are several Evangelical Christians wouldn't mind aggravating a few Jehovah Witnesses at home to "save" them as well. Maybe the Jehovah Witnesses might even convert some of them also. If they are really serious about "helping others in faith" why don't they reach out to those willing/wanting to disucss such matters instead of annoying those of us at home who do not wish being borthered. I personally know an Evangelical Baptist Pastor and I am sure he will be more than willing to set up meetings with Jehhovah Witnesses. I wonder how Jehovah Witnesses would feel having these Evangelicals pay them a personal vist. icon_wink.gif

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    Oct 20, 2009 6:11 PM GMT
    Was a baptized Jehovah Witness for 26 years. I was a pioneer, meaning I was the one knocking on your door 90 hours a month. I am glad I was. Gave me a strong moral upbringing, kept me from drugs and promiscuous sex. I deeply miss my old friends.

    When I decided to be who I truly was, I had to disassociate myself from all my friends and family. (family sucks to begin with)

    To say the least I have as strong distaste for organized religion and continue to grapple with my own spiritual beliefs. It take me years to overcome a lot of teaching and beliefs, and a strong hatred/disappoint of who I am.
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    Oct 20, 2009 6:14 PM GMT
    OCN8 saidWas a baptized Jehovah Witness for 26 years. I was a pioneer, meaning I was the one knocking on your door 90 hours a month. I am glad I was. Gave me a strong moral upbringing, kept me from drugs and promiscuous sex. I deeply miss my old friends.

    When I decided to be who I truly was, I had to disassociate myself from all my friends and family. (family sucks to begin with)

    To say the least I have as strong distaste for organized religion and continue to grapple with my own spiritual beliefs. It take me years to overcome a lot of teaching and beliefs, and a strong hatred/disappoint of who I am.


    Do you still consider yourself Christian, or are you more agnostic/atheist now? If you still consider yourself Christian have you checked out any of the more progessive/liberal churches out there?
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    Oct 20, 2009 6:17 PM GMT
    From Bible Study, what profile1111 says about the religion rings true. I grew up Catholic and had theology classes from 1st to 12th grade. None of my questions about the Bible could be answered by the priest or the nun because Catholicism doesn't seem to follow the Bible but more the teachings of Popes and Cardinals after the Bible was written. If you actually believe the Bible is the Word Of God then I think the JWs try to follow it "by the book". I could never be a JW because I will never shun an alcoholic or an adulterer, and I can never become straight for that matter.

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    Oct 20, 2009 6:17 PM GMT
    Oh and the 144k is a ruling/judge class, as read about in revelations. Those are the only people who get to go to "heaven"

    Everyone else that is resurrected and survives Armageddon get to live on earthly paradise foreevvvveerr.

    That's how it works, although I don't believe in the bible very much anymore.
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    Oct 20, 2009 6:20 PM GMT
    Celticmusl saidFrom Bible Study, what profile1111 says about the religion rings true. I grew up Catholic and had theology classes from 1st to 12th grade. None of my questions about the Bible could be answered by the priest or the nun because Catholicism doesn't seem to follow the Bible but more the teachings of Popes and Cardinals after the Bible was written. If you actually believe the Bible is the Word Of God then I think the JWs try to follow it "by the book". I could never be a JW because I will never shun an alcoholic or an adulterer, and I can never become straight for that matter.



    Common misbelief, Witnesses do drink alcohol. Jesus made wine and drank, so it's cool. remember "wine makes the heart rejoice"

    They have a problem with being a "drunkard" but they do drink. No drugs or sex out of wedlock, and no "homo"