GAY FOR PAY; ARE THEY REALLY STRAIGHT?

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    May 06, 2007 7:54 AM GMT
    Its been my observation that the straight guy fantasy has been very popular among us,but whatever reasons we have for fantasizing the breeder boy next door,it makes me wonder if these guys really are and if they truly are hetero, then what motivates them to cross to our side of the fence? is it for cash (apparently,the moguls of militaryclasssified and 2scm are rich enough to pay these guys a lot so they can cater to our fantasies)? are they curious enough to experiement and in a way, satisfy their questions about how it feels to be with another man? and what does this say about them as heterosexual men? is human sexuality not as rigid as we thought? and how does this affect us as gay men,how does this influence our sexual taste, behavior and interaction with straight men?
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    May 06, 2007 10:44 AM GMT
    Fantasy! As long as it is with someone who they think is clean so they don't infect the wife or girlfriend and you must be descrete about the encounter.

    Where I live I have gotton a few advances from "attached" men and I stay away from them.

    In many cases you are not his first nor his last!

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    May 06, 2007 10:45 AM GMT
    And they will never leave thier partner for you!
  • OptimusMatt

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    May 06, 2007 5:07 PM GMT
    See above for the reason why those sites exist.

    Much like straight guys getting off on virgins or something close to it...I think the gay community finds it hot to be someone's 'first'. It's pure fantasy they're selling.

    Witnessing someone's 'conversion' or experimentation is a 'personal' thing, exposing a very vulnerable part of that person...it gives you power, and control. Obviously these emotions are not completely true when you're watching a porn, but the feeling is there, fed by the fantasy, which is rooted in reality.

    Is it hot to think that someone you know was so attracted to you that they had to try it, just with you? They might never do it again, but you woke something inside them, a passion they'd never felt before, and only you got to experience that.

    F*ck yeah.
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    May 06, 2007 5:31 PM GMT
    Gay for pay is two things, in my view:
    1. Someone who needs to make some cash.
    2. Someone who rationalizes man on man for cash is somehow different if they're comped.

    While a few have a strong stomach, and do it strictly for the cash, for do it because it's easy money and they like it.

    If someone can charge for what most people can't give away, more power to them.
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    May 06, 2007 6:40 PM GMT
    I still think people are mixing up definitions.

    First, "gay" does not mean "effeminate". "Gay" means being exclusively attracted to males, sexually (if you are a guy).

    "Straight" means being exclusively attracted to females, sexually (if you are a guy).

    Those are the opposite ends of the Kinsey scale. In between, are "bisexual" men, who can be attracted to males or females in varying degrees.

    Hence, if a guy can get a hard on and cum with another guy, he is not "straight", by definition. And that includes all the guys on the seancody site that Peter refers us to, regardless if they have wives or girlfriends.

    Those guys are bisexual, and probably are more strongly attracted to men sexually...

    John
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    May 06, 2007 7:40 PM GMT
    These stereotypical labels that are placed on people of many different backgrounds, male or female, gay or str8 or bi ( see what I mean) are only labels to categorize people into different subclasses. Gay, as most people see it is a man who likes men, and only men.. Bi is a bender with the likes of both sexes.. but really, in the end, labels only promote discriminatory behavior towards others. "straight" men and women have the curiousity to venture into untreaded waters. WE ALL DO.. som supress those feelings, and some go with it. the most masculine man can be into men, and the most "faggy, queeny" man, can be straight.. (nor really common for this one).. but really.. we all have thoughts, and some act upon it.. go with it.. take advantage of situations in which you can fulfill your fantasies, or in some cases your subconscious thoughts...
    Be discreet if you dont want the world to know.. and really, its nobodys business other then yourself..
    str8, gay, bi... meh!! Its all just about sex in the end.. even animals in nature have accepted it. ;)
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    May 06, 2007 11:21 PM GMT
    well lets flip it around. If your strapped for cash and someone offered you money to sleep with a woman, would you? Some gay guys might and not have a problem. Straight "gay porn" stars watch straight porn to get them in the mood and then they go for it. They probably are straight and just need money. However, I'm sure some of these "stright guy" fantasies are just gay guys who are "masculine" and all the campy scene type gay guys just buy into it.
  • GQjock

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    May 06, 2007 11:54 PM GMT
    Sexuality is much more fluid than we think it is
    ...why do men suddenly resort to homosexual behavior in prison?
    and why throughout history has homosexuality
    been up and down with the passage of time?

    Think about it...most gay men can and sometimes do have sex with women...gay men have had to be married in the past and while it doesn't suit them...it'll do
    same with str8 men in prison
    same with str8 in in porn

    this is a major reason why homophobia is rampant in teens....because they have these burgeoning feelings and it scares them
    they may prefer women but they KNOW that they can have sex with a man
  • canuckdave

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    May 07, 2007 2:12 AM GMT
    In the 50's social scientist Kinsey created a scale of 1-6, exclusivley Homosexual to exclusively hetrosexual. Most people lie somewhere in the middle. Without social prejudice many men would experiment more than their inner homophobia would allow. See post no. 4. who seems to confuse gay with feminity and straight with masculinity. those terms are interchangeable. Bisexuality exists, is enjoyed by many, and some men can see finacial reward in playing straight. Personly I could care less if the guy on the screen self-identifies as a pumpkin, as long as he has qualities to arouse me.
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    May 07, 2007 7:35 AM GMT
    Re: to opening statement

    straight guys for PAY. That's a fuckin' laugh and a half !!!!!!
    Make them pay us is more like it !

    I detest that Queer eye mentality.
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    May 07, 2007 2:56 PM GMT
    I don't think that there is a quintessential answer to this question. It's my belief that straight men may have gay sex for a variety of reasons. I wouldn't try to read too much into it. After all, look at children and the crushes they have on members of their own sex. Good grief, when I was in elementary school, I had a big crush on one of my male student teachers. Jay Angel. He was beautiful, kind, and everything a guy could want. Surprised that I can remember that? LOL

    Seriously, just be happy that the straight guys are willing to unzip their pants for a few bucks so that the rest of us can enjoy watching them get jiggy with it.
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    May 07, 2007 3:20 PM GMT
    It is what it is
    people enjoying life - making the best
    of it
    Even if there is a Dollar amount at the end
    of it
  • ChuckE

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    May 07, 2007 10:05 PM GMT
    Simply put, if a man is having sexual contact with another man, it is a gay action.

    I do volunteer work with the State Health Department, and they do have classifications of men who do not claim a sexual preferrence but are what we call MSM's (men who have sex with men).

    So the whole thing about porn stars saying that they are gay for pay only, is chickensh!t not to be comfortable with themselves to own up to their actions. But then, why have do we even have to be labeled right?

    I do not discriminate against these men, as I think it's an added arrousal as well, the whole idea of a "straight" man getting dicked is pretty hot!

    If a man is arroused by another man.... He's definitely GAY!
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    May 07, 2007 11:16 PM GMT
    Human sexuality is not rigid and you cannot categorize humans like insects although there are plenty of people, gay and straight, who like to. I think people feel more powerful when they are a part of a large group, i.e. LGBT, and you can add XYZ all you want to make it bigger. I'd rather be set apart on my own. I feel more powerful as an individual. There are many people like that espcially here so if someone says they are "straight" but has sex with other men maybe that's their way of seperating themselves from the herd which I can understand totally. If there are straight people who say they don't understand homosexuality and say it's a choice then how can gay people turn around and constantly say there is no such thing as bi or bi curious etc??
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    May 07, 2007 11:18 PM GMT
    Here's another thought: Why does gay trump straight? If someone is openly gay and has sex with a woman (and lots of gay guys do) he is never accused of being straight. But if a guy who is straight has sex with a guy (and lots of them do) he is immediately pegged as gay. Why does gay trump straight?
  • GQjock

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    May 11, 2007 6:09 PM GMT
    Sad to say that it has to do with that society still looks down on it...by comparison
    Like many years ago before the civil rights era
    if you had any Afro-American blood in your family...you were considered black no matter how small that amt was
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    May 12, 2007 12:46 PM GMT
    The gay-for-pay concept, as I see it, is mostly a marketing ploy (hey it's catchy). If you strip away all the labels, it is simply sex between two men. All that background information is there to feed the various fantasies of individual consumers.

    Personally, I only care that the two men are enjoying themselves and each other. If it is apparent that one guy is trying to avoid acknowledging the homosexual situation or if he is clearly watching women on another screen, I lose interest.
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    May 14, 2007 10:08 PM GMT
    liltally makes a valid point. E.g., girls that fuck are sluts; guys that don't are queers.

    Just another bullshit stereotype.
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    May 17, 2007 7:46 PM GMT
    I was watching this tv show on HBO called something down in the valley, its about all the porn being made in california. Its more of a series but the episode I was watching concentrated on gay porn. anyways the gay porn actors on there were not all gay, one guy said he only does gay porn because it pays a lot more than straight porn. He even had his wife with him on the set. Its just like gay guys acting in straight porn. so I have to disagree with some people who say having sex with another man automatically makes you gay. Sure some guys who act in gay porn are gay to begin with because they even entertained the idea, others just need the good pay and are straight.
  • BlackJock79

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    May 20, 2007 1:28 PM GMT
    Maybe I'm the only one but I just can't see a "straight" man sucking dick, kissing, getting fucked or fucking another man unless he is at the very least bi-sexual. I guess I can see them having to watch straight porn first and then when their dick is hard keep the act going but if a guy was 100% straight wouldn't he loose his erection if someone he wasn't attracted to sucking it? I just don't believe those guys are straight, most of the time the ones that are "gay for pay" act like they like dick more than I do and if they are that good at acting they deserve an Oscar.
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    Jun 09, 2007 3:59 PM GMT
    I know of a few 'gay' porn stars that are married, some with kids. Are they 'bi?" Caesar is one. Always has something stuck up his ass, only done gay porn movies but he's married to one of the most beautiful women I've ever met. Does he do it for the cash? I'd guess (don't really know) that maybe gay pays more than straight porn. He's got his own web site as many do. Curious question I've thought about, too. Maybe they are just 'sexual' and that's it. They can turn on and off their preference and simply enjoy what they are doing with whom they are doing it at the moment. Sounds like total freedom to me.


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    Jun 09, 2007 10:36 PM GMT


    Chucky... you remind me of something I heard at the gym the other day...

    "What's the difference between a slut & a whore?"

    "A slut sleeps with everyone... a whore sleeps with everyone - but YOU!"

  • Drewboo

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    Jul 05, 2007 3:49 AM GMT
    1. No, they are not straight, they are gay. I was asked several times to do porn for various studios (as many of us on this site have probably been). I was given a form once that they wanted me to fill out. On the form it had an area where you check everything your willing to do. It listed Straight porn, bi porn, gay porn, gay for pay... then next to gay for pay in parenthasese it said "(just means youll make more money than gay porn)".

    2. I would like to point out that increased levels of testosterone is believed to be one of the primary causes of homosexual orientation in men. Gay men in general have higher levels of testosterone across the board. And if you like guys, it means your gay. Being gay has nothing to do with how masculine/femminine you are. REALJOCK Gay Fitness Community. You're gay.
  • Drewboo

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    Jul 05, 2007 3:51 AM GMT
    oh... and no I have never done gay porn... but I do imagine myself in the scenes when I watch it!!!