The importance of vaccination

  • MSUBioNerd

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    Oct 20, 2009 6:26 PM GMT
    For those who have been living under a rock for the past decade, it may come as a bit of a surprise that in the US a large (though thankfully still definitely minority) number of parents have become convinced that childhood vaccination leads to autism. There is absolutely no scientific evidence for this, and, in fact, there are numerous large well-designed studies that refute this claim. Nonetheless, under the stellar public health thought doled out by such luminaries as Jenny McCarthy, a growing number of parents are choosing not to vaccinate their children.

    So, of course, their children are more likely to contract these childhood illnesses that the rest of the first world has essentially conquered -- measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, etc. It's bad for these children, but ultimately, many children suffer in various different ways from the stupid actions of their parents.

    What's lost in this discussion, though, is how these parents are actually putting other people's children at risk. One of the major concepts in public health is that of herd immunity; essentially, if enough individuals in the population are immune to a particular disease, then even those individuals who would be susceptible to it are protected, because there aren't enough vulnerable individuals for an epidemic to take hold and spread. Those parents who don't vaccinate their kids are exploiting this herd immunity, betting on the fact that if enough other kids are immunized, their kids won't be exposed to the disease in the first place. * But the more parents who exploit this herd immunity, the less protection it becomes. And that is a major problem for those children who have to depend on herd immunity, because they are too young to be vaccinated, or because their immune systems are compromised for other reasons. The anti-vaccine fundamentalists rely on the sympathy people feel for the autistic children they claim are the result of vaccination programs, and sick children are a great way to gain sympathy.

    To that end,
  • MSUBioNerd

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    Oct 21, 2009 1:56 PM GMT
    (odd, the rest of it got cut off)

    To that end, this article is a good personal account of how parents refusing to vaccinate their children places others at risk. This woman's son has lukemia, and the chemotherapy has made it so that he cannot be effectively vaccinated against several standard childhood diseases. He also can't attend a preschool if even one child hasn't been vaccinated against whooping cough, as there's a good chance that a case of that would be fatal to him. Instead, the author and her husband have had to hire a sitter to come to their home to watch him, and he misses out on the socialization aspects of preschool. When the time for kindergarten comes around, they'll have to hope that none of those philosophically unvaccinated kids is harboring some disease which is annoying to most children but deadly to those with a compromised immune system.

    * Essentially, this is the free rider problem from game theory. If enough others are vaccinated, you can choose not to vaccinate your child, and the slight but non zero risk of vaccine complications (which do NOT include autism, the medical brilliance of a certain actress notwithstanding) can be larger than the increased risk of catching that disease because you child is not vaccinated. Except that the more people who make this tradeoff, the riskier it becomes, until you reach a point where it is significantly more dangerous to not be vaccinated.
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    Oct 21, 2009 2:43 PM GMT
    This is very true! I used to treat a large number of autistic children. The parents were convinced vaccinations and dental amalgam were to blame. They would present to me these "scientific articles" written by private dentist who would be trying to promote their practice as being amalgam free. Recently the ADA and FDA stated there is no correlation or risk between amalgam and autism. God those parents were a pain the butt! It's one thing to care about your childs condition but some go too far.

    http://www.fda.gov/MedicalDevices/ProductsandMedicalProcedures/DentalProducts/DentalAmalgam/ucm171094.htm
  • metta

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    Feb 02, 2015 4:55 PM GMT
    Chris Christie Tours Vaccine Manufacturer, Offers Support To Anti-Vaxxers

    http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/chris_christie_offers_support_to_anti_vaxxers


    Christie is wrong. Vaccination is not a personal decision. It's a social obligation.

    http://www.vox.com/2015/1/31/7955947/vaccination-herd-immunity
  • metta

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    Feb 02, 2015 4:55 PM GMT
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    Feb 02, 2015 5:13 PM GMT
    And now New Jersey Governor and potential 2016 Presidential Candidate Chris Christie, who also apparently fancies himself a distinguished physician and medical researcher, has spoken on the topic of vaccinations - sort of.

    First he made a public statement that the decision to vaccinate children is a matter for their parents. Sounding very rural and Southern conservative. (He's gotta appeal to that voter block if he wants to win the Republican primaries)

    Within hours his office started backtracking and doing damage control, when they realized the press was having a field day with those comments. Not what the Christie camp wants in the middle of a measles outbreak caused by parents declining vaccinations for their kids. The most recent thing I read was that Christie really does support vaccinations for children. Never mind... icon_redface.gif
  • metta

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    Feb 02, 2015 6:00 PM GMT
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    Yes, yes he did. Here it is:


    CHRIS CHRISTIE CLARIFIES POSITION ON MEASLES VACCINATION AFTER SAYING PARENTS SHOULD HAVE A 'CHOICE' IN THE MATTER


    http://www.towleroad.com/2015/02/chris-christie-clarifies-position-on-measles-vaccination-after-saying-parents-should-have-a-choice-i.html
  • metta

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    Feb 03, 2015 1:54 AM GMT
    Rand Paul: Vaccines Can Cause 'Profound Mental Disorders'

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rand-paul-vaccines-mental-disorders
  • metta

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    Feb 03, 2015 4:06 PM GMT
    CDC urges measles vaccinations amid nationwide outbreak; 100 cases confirmed so far


    http://www.foxnews.com/health/2015/02/02/more-than-100-cases-measles-now-confirmed-in-us/
  • HottJoe

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    Feb 03, 2015 6:02 PM GMT
    metta8 saidRand Paul: Vaccines Can Cause 'Profound Mental Disorders'

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rand-paul-vaccines-mental-disorders

    Rand Paul and his father are both such fools. It's hard to believe they even get attention from the mainstream media... but I guess that goes to show how unscrupulous the media is.
  • metta

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    Feb 03, 2015 8:53 PM GMT
    Congressman Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL): Measles Outbreak May Be Caused By ‘Illegal Aliens’

    http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2015/02/03/3618647/mo-brooks-measles-immigrants/
  • metta

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    Feb 03, 2015 10:23 PM GMT
    Doctors Say Politicians Who Question Vaccines ‘Fail At The First Duty Of A Politician’

    Seth Mnookin, an MIT professor who has authored a book about the myth that vaccines are linked to autism called The Panic Virus, told the Washington Post that the latest remarks from Christie and Paul “basically fail at the first duty of a politician, which is to calm his constituents in moments of irrational crisis.” He called their statements about vaccines “incredibly, incred­ibly irresponsible.”

    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/02/03/3618394/vaccine-election-issue/
  • musclmed

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    Feb 04, 2015 2:39 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidAnd now New Jersey Governor and potential 2016 Presidential Candidate Chris Christie, who also apparently fancies himself a distinguished physician and medical researcher, has spoken on the topic of vaccinations - sort of.

    First he made a public statement that the decision to vaccinate children is a matter for their parents. Sounding very rural and Southern conservative. (He's gotta appeal to that voter block if he wants to win the Republican primaries)

    Within hours his office started backtracking and doing damage control, when they realized the press was having a field day with those comments. Not what the Christie camp wants in the middle of a measles outbreak caused by parents declining vaccinations for their kids. The most recent thing I read was that Christie really does support vaccinations for children. Never mind... icon_redface.gif


    In the most liberal areas of the country , namely Santa Monica Beverly hills and Pacific Palisades the vaccination rate is below that of third world Africa.

    Its not a economic issue its the parents who fill out the slips. And its not a new issue, the Pertussis outbreaks of the last few years squarely fall on the coasts.

    Christie said Parents should have a say in the matter. As they should. They also dont also have a right to send the kids to a public school.

    This isnt even up to a federal debate. Its a local state issue and continues to be.
  • musclmed

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    Feb 04, 2015 2:44 AM GMT
    metta8 saidCongressman Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL): Measles Outbreak May Be Caused By ‘Illegal Aliens’

    http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2015/02/03/3618647/mo-brooks-measles-immigrants/


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/robert-kennedy-jrs-belief-in-autism-vaccine-connection-and-its-political-peril/2014/07/16/f21c01ee-f70b-11e3-a606-946fd632f9f1_story.html

    This is a non issue. Especially since as it pans out the most liberal bastions of the country have the worst vaccination rates.

    Metta8 is going to have to do better than this than try to make this a Republican issue. It isn't really. It just shows how quick the liberal media spin machine will churn out bullshit without really checking with its base.
  • metta

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    Feb 05, 2015 1:42 AM GMT
    California bill would require more vaccinations

    http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article9275870.html
  • metta

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    Feb 05, 2015 1:45 AM GMT
    Autistic woman shreds anti-vaxxers: ‘They rather have dead children than have children like me’


    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/02/autistic-woman-shreds-anti-vaxxers-they-rather-have-dead-children-than-have-children-like-me/
  • bmikesell2012

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    Feb 05, 2015 6:12 AM GMT
    before you say oh you are a conservative which I am not nor I am a liberal. I am pissed off at both parties for saying stupid shit! Vaccinations are important however it shouldn't be required or have a law saying that people have to vaccinate their children. I can understand how schools have a requirement for vaccinations before they go to school, which I totally agree on. It should be at the parent's discretion if they want to or not! My parents vaccinated me because it was their choice however the Doctor did recommended to them.
  • metta

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    Feb 06, 2015 5:37 PM GMT
    Anti-vaccine megachurch hit with measles epidemic, now offering free vaccinations

    "An outbreak of the measles at Kenneth Copeland's Texas megachurch has gotten some attention because (1) measles is something children are generally vaccinated for, these days and (2) Kenneth Copeland is, of course, an anti-vaccine crackpot. In what seems to be yet another bitterly ironic attempt by God to teach noisy religious fundamentalists what-for, the church has thus become the epicenter of a small but worrisome outbreak that has so far infected 10 and resulted in the Department of State Health Services issuing an alert spanning North Texas."

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/26/1234055/-Anti-vaccine-megachurch-hit-with-measles-epidemic-now-offering-free-vaccinations
  • metta

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    Feb 06, 2015 6:18 PM GMT
    Measles Outbreak Is A 'Hoax' Says Conspiracy Theorist Glenn Beck

    http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/measles_outbreak_is_a_hoax_says_conspiracy_theorist_glenn_beck_video
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    Feb 06, 2015 7:12 PM GMT
    Seems to be mainly a red-state issue.




    I say let Natural Selection take care of it.
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    StudlyScrewRite said Seems to be mainly a red-state issue.

    I say let Natural Selection take care of it.
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    Actually, it's a mix of misinformed/paranoid parents on both the right and the left who are not getting their children vaccinated. Interestingly, California and the Amish communities of Middle America have both been hit hard with measles. The Amish, to their credit, are getting their kids vaccinated now. This is also a problem in some other developed countries, too.

    Another thought - vaccination should be taught about in public school health classes.