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    Dec 16, 2007 7:46 PM GMT
    okk...Im from Iran and you can imagine how my life would be like there...and i signed up on this site because of forums and too find some nice friends.. and there is another site like this one called "manjam" which our people would know each other from there and Date each other and ... (cuz there's no other way) and nowadays i heard that they're arresting guys who have a photo there...and i've heard it from my friends about 20 times, so i canceld my membership there ....but really there is no other way for us to communicate with each other and find friends in our country icon_sad.gif and it really sux being arrested for being gay...PLEASE pray for us icon_cry.gificon_cry.gificon_cry.gif
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    Dec 16, 2007 7:50 PM GMT
    It is as a feared =(

    I'm so sorry to hear this. I really hope this doesn't escalate into anything serious for you.

    I am at a loss for words.

    You'll be missed. And I'll be thinking of you and hoping for the best. Maybe, hopefully soon, things will change.
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    Dec 16, 2007 7:50 PM GMT
    hows gay.com in iran?
  • farfle

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    Dec 16, 2007 8:28 PM GMT
    I am praying for you, my friend.

    I wish you would have told me about this before.

    Take care...
  • BlackJock79

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    Dec 16, 2007 8:33 PM GMT
    I'm so sorry man. May GOD be with you and protect you. It's mind blowing that people could actually get arrested for being gay.
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    Dec 16, 2007 8:43 PM GMT
    Why don't you just change your address to London, unless they track you by IP address who is ever going to know?
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    Dec 16, 2007 8:56 PM GMT
    Come to Tennessee! We'll protect you.

    I hope things change over there one day icon_sad.gif
  • NickoftheNort...

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    Dec 16, 2007 9:14 PM GMT
    If you have the resources, your best solution (from my not-particularly enlightened position) is to leave Iran for a gay-friendly EU member for either occupation immigrant status or asylum.

    Unfortunately, sexual orientation / alignment / identity is not considered immediate grounds for asylum due to the difficulties of proving this form of identity and the abuses asylum seekers have done with it; it may be worth it, nonetheless.

    I doubt that Iran will develop any gay-friendliness in its legal codes or social structures for the conceivable future; reasons include:

    • the current swing toward reactionary authoritarianism following the end of Khatami's reformist presidency
    • the perpetuation of '79 Revolution mentality and individuals, including those old enough to recall the corrupt US-supported ("West-supported") Shah prior to the Revolution
    • Iran's continued (and still relatively young) identification as an Islamic (part-)theocracy, including the use of Sharia law
    • Iran's geographical location, surrounded by gay-hostile neighbors
    • the bungling US foreign policy initiatives toward Iran fail to strengthen or enable indigenous reformist movements

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    F*ck, we (as in the global conglomerate LGBTQ community) are still struggling for rights of assembly and public dignity in Poland and the Baltics, all of which are part of the EU and officially subscribe to EU directives regarding the movement toward human rights for LGBTQ persons. Barring extraordinary occurences, Iran's going to take decades before it can constructively reconcile its society with LGBTQ rights.
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    Spartacus: International Gay Guide suggests Homan as an online resource for Iranian gays. It is an exile organization based in Los Angeles, California, USA.

    From the 2006 edition
    Homan
    "Exile international organization with offices in several countries. Information on the gay legislation as well as list of other gay and related sites in Iran is available on their website"
    http://www.homanla.org/
  • HndsmKansan

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    Dec 16, 2007 9:16 PM GMT
    Well I certainly have to say you have courage and guts.
    I'm sure many of us here would like to hear from you on a regular basis to hear about your life and "living as a gay man" in Iran. I'm glad you feel comfortable enough to be a member of RJ.

    Please let us know how you are doing!
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    Dec 16, 2007 9:19 PM GMT
    He is barred from leaving Iran by the Revolutionary Guard.
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    Dec 16, 2007 9:24 PM GMT
    Personally bared or is anyone in general kept in country?
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    Dec 16, 2007 9:35 PM GMT
    It is very difficult to have documentation, visas, and even a necessary exit permit to travel out of Iran. Even some professors are barred from leaving the country. The means necessary to leave the country are, no doubt, exorbitant.
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    Dec 16, 2007 9:37 PM GMT
    I found this, which may be of interest/use.

    http://viewfromiran.blogspot.com/2007/04/there-are-several-ways-to-leave-iran.html

    Though I am not sure if any of it is practical.
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    Dec 16, 2007 9:43 PM GMT
    Good find.

    I wonder how many countries would send back asylum seekers on the grounds being gay isn't considered a persecution group.

    And I'm still wondering how Iran can execute gays if according to their own president they don't exist in Iran.
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    Dec 16, 2007 9:49 PM GMT
    According to international law, it is illegal to extradite an asylum-seeker if the person be subjected to torture, inhumane treatment, or persecution upon return.

    I am just not quite sure how practical it is. I have no doubt the Iranian government would be suspicious of anyone traveling to Sweden or the Netherlands with the knowledge that they offer asylum to homosexuals, Christians, and any other expected of being inflicted with torture if deported back to Iran. I do not think they easily allow someone to just pack up their bags, hop on a flight, and enjoy freedom.

    And that is precisely why they don't "exist" - they kill them all.
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    Dec 16, 2007 10:13 PM GMT
    I'm so sorry. I hate that violence like this happens to anyone. May you find peace, my friend.
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    Dec 16, 2007 10:31 PM GMT
    I believe that no single country, with the apparent exception of the Netherlands, currently necessarily grants asylum on the basis of sexual orientation, but that it has been successfully used by individuals in previous cases on the grounds of possible torture or execution upon return.

    It is important to keep in mind though that Schengen rules, which cover most of Europe, establish that an asylum seeker needs to seek asylum in the first Schengen-participating state he arrives in (this rule seeks to ensure that all participant states take responsibility for border security).
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    In terms of the former, I'll point to Mullah Krekar, a terrorist participant and former leader that Norway seeks to expel; the Norwegian government is thus unable to extradite him Iraq as he risks execution upon returning there.

    If a terrorist that personally threatens Norwegian national security gets to stay due to the threat he faces abroad, then f*ck, a man who risks execution for loving men deserves it as well, in my not-so-humble opinion.
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    Dec 17, 2007 12:53 AM GMT
    If only I had the means to effect a rescue :-/ ...
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    Dec 17, 2007 1:00 AM GMT
    It is really sad the way some people treat gays in their country. I feel sorry for you all your friends.

    All my hopes and my best wishes.

    Mike icon_smile.gif
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    Dec 17, 2007 1:59 AM GMT
    If you can get out of Iran somehow, apply for refugee status in Canada. (And live in Vancouver, it's not any colder than Seattle!)

    See http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2006/06/todays_toronto_.html about Iranian gay refugees here.


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    Dec 17, 2007 4:48 AM GMT
    Well, your joke sucked.
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    Dec 17, 2007 4:50 AM GMT
    And that has what to do with an Iranian in danger of losing his life?
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    Dec 17, 2007 4:53 AM GMT
    Go run against oncoming traffic.
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    Dec 17, 2007 5:03 AM GMT
    Getto I can't even see much humor in trying to be funny off a problem that could cost the poster his life.

    I think the bigger joke is the wall of text in your profile. As we used to joke in WoW:

    Wall Of Text Crits Trance 23 for 1,400,650!
    Trance23 Dies

    I can only give my best wishes that people in Iran can grow out of their hatred and overthrow the real devils. The ones who use use twisted words and fear to rule.
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    Dec 17, 2007 5:32 AM GMT
    As-Salāmu ‘Alaykum wa-Raḥmatullāhi wa-Barakātuhu

    Allāhu Akbar, al-rahman, al-rahim bless you and keep you safe.

    So much sorrow in such a beautiful people and country.

    You are in our prayers.