Gay Friendly Chiropractor -- Needed

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    Oct 22, 2009 12:45 AM GMT
    Anyone (LA based) know of a gay-friendly Chiropractor?

    Operating without insurance, so someone honest would be best. Went to this one guy this morning only to be told, that he wouldn't treat me unless I committed to doing at least 8 sessions at (65 bucks a pop).

    Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated!

    Cheers!
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    Oct 22, 2009 2:01 AM GMT
    LEANMUSC28 saidAnyone (LA based) know of a gay-friendly Chiropractor?

    Operating without insurance, so someone honest would be best. Went to this one guy this morning only to be told, that he wouldn't treat me unless I committed to doing at least 8 sessions at (65 bucks a pop).

    Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated!

    Cheers!


    8 sessions is not too many and $65 is very reasonable. Most charge a lot more than that, but be sure to let him know you have no insurance. They often charge patients who have no insurance less. Most chiropracters are not concerned about one's sexuality when treating patients, so most are gay friendly.
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    Oct 22, 2009 3:49 AM GMT
    Thanks for the response.

    Chiropractors I've seen in the past have seen me immediate needs regardless of how many times I have visited, hence it seemed a bit odd to me I would need to commit to so many treatments. Your right in that 65 is probably not that bad in price, its just the fact he wouldn't give me a make due treatment. And at the moment i can't really afford to do more than one or two sessions.

    As to finding a gay oriented doctor... I like to support family where I can ;)
  • MikemikeMike

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    Oct 22, 2009 6:52 AM GMT
    I guess in LA no money gay friendly chiro-BJ HJ =no charge. Why limit yourself to a gay chiropractor. What if there is a better more qualified one who happens to be married with kids and not gay and reduces your cost because of self pay??icon_idea.gif
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    Oct 22, 2009 7:50 AM GMT
    Why not see an actual doctor rather than resort to pseudoscience like chiropractic?

    And when you do see an actual doctor, go to one that is most qualified, or geographically convenient, etc. Going to a gay doctor because you are also gay is no different than a white guy prefering to see a white doctor.

  • Oct 22, 2009 8:03 AM GMT
    Chiropractors ARE doctors. you jerk at the bottom who called them pseudoscience doctors. If you go to an MD for this problem they'd give you prescription pain killers when in fact pain is the indicator that there's a problem. My chiropractor is amazing and has cured me of some of my structural conditions and has changed my life.
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    Oct 22, 2009 6:06 PM GMT
    LEANMUSC28 saidThanks for the response.

    Chiropractors I've seen in the past have seen me immediate needs regardless of how many times I have visited, hence it seemed a bit odd to me I would need to commit to so many treatments. Your right in that 65 is probably not that bad in price, its just the fact he wouldn't give me a make due treatment. And at the moment i can't really afford to do more than one or two sessions.

    As to finding a gay oriented doctor... I like to support family where I can ;)


    The number of sessions depends on what exactly you are seeing him for. I had to have about 8 sessions to get rid of pain in my lower back. The pain was being caused by poor alignment. He showed me on the x-rays how I was out of alignment. With each adjustment, I felt a little less pain, until after about 8 times, it was completly gone. I've never had any more pain. I didn't exactly tell him how I threw my back out, though. I was nude wrestling a guy and I knew right away some bones shifted in my lower back. lol A guy in his 40's should not be wrestling. lol I was scared to go to a chiropracter because I had never been to one before and didn't know what they do. It's wierd what they do. But he had me lay flat on my back and then he lifts my leg up and twisted it into a wierd postion and then he just threw his entire body weight into me. He did this on each side. Then after each adjustment he had me lay on this cot and he puts electrodes on my back and sends electricity into my back for 10 min. I really liked that and helped a lot.
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    Oct 22, 2009 6:11 PM GMT
    actorathlete10 saidChiropractors ARE doctors. you jerk at the bottom who called them pseudoscience doctors. If you go to an MD for this problem they'd give you prescription pain killers when in fact pain is the indicator that there's a problem. My chiropractor is amazing and has cured me of some of my structural conditions and has changed my life.


    You are so right. Doctors give pain pills and will take LOTS MORE of your money, rather than take care of what is causing the pain so you don't need any pain pills icon_smile.gif
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    Oct 22, 2009 6:20 PM GMT
    I've got a great chiropractor in LA. He practices a form of chiropractic called SOT. For more info:

    http://www.sorsi.com/

    After years of chronic low back pain, a few treatments with him were a revelation and totally started me on my journey to better health. I can't even tell you how much time, money and energy I had poured into the black hole of big pharma/western medicine before seeing him. That was about 8 years ago. Since then, I almost never see western doctors, haven't taken any big pharma drugs, and I'm the healthiest I've ever been. Go figure.

    I'll email you his contact info. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me.
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    Oct 22, 2009 6:29 PM GMT
    I was so happy to find a gay friendly waste disposal company in my area. Those straight boys can be absolute brutes with my trash. Hmmph!
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    Oct 22, 2009 6:30 PM GMT
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    Oct 22, 2009 6:31 PM GMT
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    actorathlete10 saidChiropractors ARE doctors. you jerk at the bottom who called them pseudoscience doctors. If you go to an MD for this problem they'd give you prescription pain killers when in fact pain is the indicator that there's a problem. My chiropractor is amazing and has cured me of some of my structural conditions and has changed my life.


    You are so right. Doctors give pain pills and will take LOTS MORE of your money, rather than take care of what is causing the pain so you don't need any pain pills icon_smile.gif


    Exactly. Western medicine is all about the Benjamins!
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    Oct 22, 2009 6:32 PM GMT
    $65 per session is way too much for a non-insurance rate. The last guy I went to here in Long Beach charged $35 per visit and he was amazing. I know of a couple of guys here who charge $20 per visit for cash patients. My suggestion would be to shop around!
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    Oct 22, 2009 6:35 PM GMT
    I'd like to encourage anyone interested in chiropractic treatment to check out Rolfing:

    http://www.rolf.org/

    It's nothing short of amazing. I've experienced so many positive and visible changes in my body since I started. And movement therapy is really helpful in unwinding patterns that have developed over years and years. Chiropractic often provided (sometimes long-term) relief for my symptoms, but Rolfing has actually helped make lasting, positive changes in my body. Check it out!
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    Oct 22, 2009 8:10 PM GMT
    scftnsguy said$65 per session is way too much for a non-insurance rate. The last guy I went to here in Long Beach charged $35 per visit and he was amazing. I know of a couple of guys here who charge $20 per visit for cash patients. My suggestion would be to shop around!


    You are right, chiropracters will lower their rates to the uninsured and will just charge what you can afford. Have you ever heard of a doctor who will do that?

    There are different styles of chiropractic treatments. You just need to find one that works for you. All I know is the guy I had did miracles for me and he is in business all by himself with an office. He does his own billing and doesn't even have a secretary to answer phone. He is young, good looking, cute, and has a great personality and has a love for people and wants to help you be pain free. He is great. And if you don't have insurance, he will charge you only what you can afford. How nicer can a guy be? They are rare.
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    Oct 22, 2009 10:09 PM GMT
    My chiro likes to say (in private) that he is a 'crack' dealer. LOLicon_lol.gif
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    Oct 23, 2009 5:16 PM GMT
    lol I thought mine did crack me in half--I even heard the crack. But, wow, he knew what he was doing to get rid of my back pain. I haven't had to go back to him since.
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    Oct 24, 2009 4:15 AM GMT
    I know a great one (Gary) in San Diego, sorry not close enough for the OP.

    The one I see now (Dean) comes 75 miles once a week. I only need him 2 or 3 times a year. He is good but not as good as Gary.

    Neither is gay, not that is matters.
    I never talked about sexuality with Dean because it is irrelevant.
    I know that Gary is hetero and that he treats many patients gay or straight.
    Gary is open-minded and has no aversion to treating people with spines.
    Do you have a spine?
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    Oct 27, 2009 10:06 PM GMT
    As a chiropractic student, I'll tell you $65 a visit is pretty reasonable. 8 visits is also pretty reasonable too. Look at it this way, your structural issues did not happen due to one incident. You've had falls and injuries your whole life that contributed to your pain. Therefore it is safe to say you would need more than one adjustment to put you back together. Beware of doctors who charge the uninsured less. Its actually illegal. Law states there should be one fee for all patients unless it is free. Not saying that those are bad doctors. It just makes you wonder what other dishonest methods they are using.
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    Oct 28, 2009 10:10 AM GMT
    Delivis saidWhy not see an actual doctor rather than resort to pseudoscience like chiropractic?

    And when you do see an actual doctor, go to one that is most qualified, or geographically convenient, etc. Going to a gay doctor because you are also gay is no different than a white guy prefering to see a white doctor.


    "actual" doctors are often clueless on muscular-skeletal problems. I´m not sold on chiros (it´s an american thing), but some sort of physical therapist is probably the way forward once you know that it is simply a muscular-skeletal problem.
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    Oct 31, 2009 6:27 AM GMT
    I have worked with trainers, physical therapists, chiropractors, and massage therapists in dealing with back problems. All have have had part of the solution. My trainer loosened up my hips with active isolated stretching, the chiropractor did adjustments and gave me some effective exercises, the physical therapy program (physician's neck and back clinic) strengthened my obliques and my back extensors so i could do cardio and strength training. Most physicians are clueless regarding muscular-skeltetal problems--the quality of the others varies from excellent to piss poor. I have had useless physical therapy and excellent physical therapy. Bad news chiropractic and wow, is this better chiropractic. The physican at the neck and back clinic was a physiatrist (specialize in body mechanics) did a very good exam and prescribed the treatment. Massage therapists have been helpful at identifying problems, but massage didn't fix them.
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    Nov 01, 2009 8:43 PM GMT
    From this website I have learned something about Chiropractics, thanks to a member who I might consider has opened the door to learn about the subject. As a back pain sufferer myself, I wondered whether this practice might help. So little I knew about it, that I confused it with Chiropody, a practice dealing with injuries of the feet.

    Daniel David Palmer was a "magnetic healer" who thought up the idea of "innate intelligence" or a vital force of God's presence which is responsible for maintaining good health. He believed that a vertebral subluxation, or minor misplaced vertebrate of the spine interfered with this innate intelligence, causing impairment to health. This is exactly the equivalent of the Far Eastern philosophy of Yin and Yang, the two forces within the body which if perfectly balanced, would result in good health. Illness is the result of an unbalance of Yin to Yang, and I think, herbal treatment and massaging are administered to the patient.
    Such is the idea of "vertebrate subluxation interfering with the innate intelligence" places Chiropractics on the same level as Alternate Medicine, the New Age movement and generally, a branch of the Occult, as religion here plays a role, along with holistic medicine (treating the whole body, not just the affected site) and homeostasis (the maintenance of a stable equilibrium in health of the body).
    D.D. Palmer at first kept his practice a family secret for a while (Why?) before founding a school of Chiropractics in Devonport, Iowa, in 1898. His son, Bartlett J. Palmer continued with his father's invention and took over the college in 1906. A year later, B.J. Palmer introduced X-Rays to aid in diagnosis. This resulted in the practice dividing into two routes, "mixed" where practitioners accept help from mainstream medicine, and "straight" Chiropractics, which was fully separate from mainstream medicine,and which D.D. Palmer originally advocated. The idea that an arm of mainstream medicine was grasped by this practice seem to me what a tragic failure straight Chiro was, and even now the majority of practitioners have chosen the mixed version.
    Many colleges sprouted, including Palmer School of Chiropractics, 90 East Tasman Drive, St. Jose, a school dealing with sports related injuries, where the referred RJ member trained. The address itself seem to indicate a very small campus.
    Although I'm both skeptical and cautious about seeing a Chiro, the idea has crossed my mind. Rejecting all the New Age stuff on which the practice was founded, perhaps the manipulating of my spine might, JUST MIGHT, do it good.
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    Nov 01, 2009 9:16 PM GMT
    actorathlete10 saidChiropractors ARE doctors. you jerk at the bottom who called them pseudoscience doctors. If you go to an MD for this problem they'd give you prescription pain killers when in fact pain is the indicator that there's a problem. My chiropractor is amazing and has cured me of some of my structural conditions and has changed my life.


    Wow....you call the guy a jerk because he doesn't believe in Chiropractic care? He's not the one who came off looking like a jerk.

    That being said, I have to absolutely take acception with Delivis' statement, "Going to a gay doctor because you are also gay is no different than a white guy prefering to see a white doctor."
    This a completely foolish thing to say, in my opinion. I have 2 doctors, my GP, and my Dentist. Both are Gay. My GP is white, and my Dentist is black. I ALWAYS try to support Our community/family first. How you, (Delivis), equate this to racial biggotry is bloody mindblowing! So a Gay man, seeking to support other Gay businesses (spelling?) first, is predjudicial? Really? icon_eek.gif
    Do others agree with this way of thinking? icon_confused.gif

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    Nov 01, 2009 9:25 PM GMT
    actorathlete10 saidChiropractors ARE doctors. you jerk at the bottom who called them pseudoscience doctors. If you go to an MD for this problem they'd give you prescription pain killers when in fact pain is the indicator that there's a problem. My chiropractor is amazing and has cured me of some of my structural conditions and has changed my life.


    Now, if only your mother had taught you a bit of decorum. You've done a great job of showing you aren't very bright, and certainly have issues with communications skills. Chiropractors are NOT medical doctors. They have some basic training in that area, but, they are not doctors of science. Had you spent some time reading on chiropractic, you would know that. You've shown us that not only do you lack manners, but, knowledge, too. Just FYI, because of their lack of medical, and pharmacological, knowledge chiropractors are NOT regarded as MDs, of any kind, and do not have prescription privileges. Next time, before making yourself look silly, you need to know what you're talking about. Much of chiropractic is based on mumbo jumbo of its followers, although it's starting to evolve in the recent past. Clearly, you're just a bit ignorant. I recommend that you spend more time studying before posting.

    To the original poster:

    Most back pain is resultant of being either to fat, or out of shape, and improper use.

    Manipulation has some value but does NOT treat the underlying cause. Much of chiropractic is complete nonsense, and is more about ongoing treatment, rather than fixing the underlying problem.

    I've met some chiropractors who were complete idiots and others who were a bit better.

    A better choice would be an osteopath, who IS a M.D. and and O.D. who is a true medical doctor, and NOT a chiropractor, but who understands manipulation, as well as medicine and surgery.

    Often, getting in shape or correcting an imbalance or behavior fixes the problem. Fixing the underlying problem is a much better choice.

    I've been lifting for 34 years, and know that to pop my very low back, and can sit with my knees crossed and twist (just like a real wrestler does). For my low back, I can also put a bunch of weight on the leg press and it'll pop right in. For my mid back, I simply grab a couple of heavy dumbbells and plop down on a flat bench in the weight room, and pop,pop,pop. For my upper back, I can often just roll on the floor, or have someone use their hand or find someone strong enough to pull me over (like a real wrestler does).

    My experience with chiropractors has been that most are incompetent.

    I can't imagine why a professional doing manipulation would need to know about your sexuality. It seems very self-centric / paranoid from here.

    If there is a school near you (here, in DFW, we have Palmer right up the road) you can get treatment on the very cheap.

    You may consider, as I said, addressing the underlying problem, instead.
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    Nov 01, 2009 9:30 PM GMT
    Live Well on Pico near Fairfax. Matt Gloin is my chiro and he knows his stuff:
    http://www.livewell-la.com/