MARIJUANA vs ALCHOHOL

  • extravagrind

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    Oct 23, 2009 3:20 PM GMT
    do you think the government could benifit more from marijuana then alchohol?
    im very interested to read LOGICAL benificial statements. dont get me wrong im on both sides here, but if i had to choose one that would benifit the ppl and the gov the most, marijuana won due to the millions saved by the dea, the billions gained in tax revenue, millions of jobs created, and the green aspect lol literaly, plus, well at least for me, you dont get puky when smoking, and it puts you to sleep rather a drunken induced coma.

    but this is all my opinion that i am willing to share, what do you think?


    LOL well of course she is not the same when she smokes, she is listening to a fucking talking dog, what shit is she smoking LMAO
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    Oct 23, 2009 3:30 PM GMT

    I've seen alcohol DESTROY a person. I've seen weed make a person press his face up against a window and breath it foggy. You do the math.

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    Oct 23, 2009 5:24 PM GMT
    GuiltyGear said
    I've seen alcohol DESTROY a person. I've seen weed make a person press his face up against a window and breath it foggy. You do the math.



    I agree with this. I have a lot of police officer friends. All have told me something similar. They end up getting physical with a lot of drunk people who attempt to assault them or others. Not one has ever had a somebody high on marijuana get violent.

    Obviously neither are good, but I don't think portraying marijuana as a lot more dangerous is accurate.
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    Oct 23, 2009 6:34 PM GMT
    I am watching alcohol destroy a person I love and care about. Now if I try to get a new job and get pee tested and pee hot well then I'm outta the job. Though I would only smoke pot after work. I see some of the guys that I work w/get so sloppy drunk that no one even wants to be around them. I am one of the believers that pot is the totally lesser of two evils...
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    Nov 23, 2009 7:00 PM GMT
    I've been working for over a year on seperate economic analyses of both the medicinal and legal recreational marijuana markets. Sponsors are all corporate and agricultural trade associations (so you can see where this issue is likely headed).

    In the process, I've learned a great deal about the science on the medical, physiological and public health aspects of weed. In a nutshell, the risks are low. The medical value is tremendous.

    The economic value is phenomenal, esp given that, as a mostly cottage and artisanal industry, the economic multiplier is huge. (That is, each dollar earned very quickly generates additional earnings throughout the value chain.) And, around the globe, where it has been legalized, drug related crime has fallen, and the taxpayers' cost of drug policy enforcement has been reduced.

    If anyone is interested in detailed cites, let me know. No time to type them out here.

    For the record, my shoulder and old spinal fractures were re-operated on by a very prominent orthopod in LA. Several months post-op, the "entry level" pain meds had become ineffective, as is usually the case. My options were opiates, e.g., OxyContin, or med marijuana. My doc strongly recommended the mj. It took about 3 weeks to find the right strain and right dose to eliminate the pain without making me high. Now I'm back on the mountain bike and snowboard, back in the pool, and within 10 lbs of my elite rowing weight.
  • Joeyphx444

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    Nov 23, 2009 7:12 PM GMT
    Marijuana is not chemically addictive like tobacco and other drugs. But it does consume people's lives. People get hooked on it and are always doing it and trying to get you and other people to try it. Yeah, they may not act violent like a drunk person but they are still putting poison into their bodies. I don't think it's right for the government to profit off this. Once again, the problem isn't whether it should be regulated or whatever, the issue is not letting people get into it. We need to educate young kids about it and the effects of it. We need to get to the root of these problems. Why sit back and say, fuck it, we can't do anything so let's just legalize it, etc?
  • michaeltex

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    Nov 23, 2009 7:42 PM GMT
    I dont smoke...I think it should be legal and taxed.We shouldn't spend money on housing people in jail for it.No light at the end of that war ! Money should go into rehabilitation centers and school learning.
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    Nov 23, 2009 8:10 PM GMT
    As far as those who think weed is poison (as in you're putting poison into your body) consider the fact that God or Nature put that plant on this Earth. It's not man-made, like almost every other "drug" out there, it's natural, and I believe it was intended by God or Nature to be used properly, and within moderation and reason, as a safe mood-alterant, or mood maintenance "helper", as those of us in the Native American life prefer to call such things.

    Also, consider all the many other uses of the plant in its various forms, such as textiles, oils, greening of the growing areas, etc., and it's obvious that this plant should be legal for all it's uses.
  • klinci3

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    Nov 23, 2009 8:26 PM GMT
    zeebyaboi saidAs far as those who think weed is poison (as in you're putting poison into your body) consider the fact that God or Nature put that plant on this Earth. It's not man-made, like almost every other "drug" out there, it's natural, and I believe it was intended by God or Nature to be used properly, and within moderation and reason, as a safe mood-alterant, or mood maintenance "helper", as those of us in the Native American life prefer to call such things.

    Also, consider all the many other uses of the plant in its various forms, such as textiles, oils, greening of the growing areas, etc., and it's obvious that this plant should be legal for all it's uses.


    so what about all the poisons that were also put natrually on this earth?

    that argument doesn't make sense natural =/= good for you

    not that i think pot is evil but just that, that argument isn't logical.
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    Nov 23, 2009 8:31 PM GMT
    The 35+ year old "War on Drugs" is a abysmal failure at best. It's proof positive that supply will meet demand.

    Most regular countries treat drug use as a medical issue rather than a criminal one. We would do well to learn from them, and their various statistics.

    If you haven't yet, I encourage you to view "American Drug War", which speaks to the waste, mistakes, and propaganda of this so called "war."

    With regard to deaths, the stats have been in for years. Being a fat ass is the leading contributor is morality in our country. Period. Hands down. No ifs, buts, nor ands about it: 2.5 million annually. This compares to about 1 million for tobacco, and about 800,000 for alcohol, with 3100 for all illicit drugs COMBINED.

    Pot, by almost any measure, is not nearly as dangerous as alcohol.

    It's insane that we have 2.5 MILLION folks in jail on any given day (almost 3 times as many as China) of which 85% are for NON-VIOLENT, drug offenses. The partly privatized prison system is a growth industry that has no interest in rehabilitation, but, rather is about charging the taxpayers for the highest occupancy possible. Criminal justice is anything but, and, true to the Puritan heritage of our country, is punitive, rather than rehabilitative. True of our capitalistic greed, it's about having a growth industry that, like our medical system, leaves the poor, and unfortunate, to fend for themselves, and rotting away, or marked for life.

    We would do well to have a better sense of "village", across the board, and look abroad for examples.
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    Nov 23, 2009 8:42 PM GMT
    It's a no brainer
    Alchohol is way worse
    Pot isn't bad
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    Nov 23, 2009 8:45 PM GMT
    Neither is really good. If we are comparing the acute issues only, then of course alcohol is far more dangerous. However there are some newer studies done as to the long term impact of Marujuana use and its contributing to clinical depression.

    Use either with caution...better to use neither...
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    Nov 23, 2009 9:00 PM GMT
    DrEric saidNeither is really good. If we are comparing the acute issues only, then of course alcohol is far more dangerous. However there are some newer studies done as to the long term impact of Marujuana use and its contributing to clinical depression.

    Use either with caution...better to use neither...


    Dependency on both is possible. Why enslave oneself to unnatural introduction of chemicals? Get out and run around the block if you want some stimulation.
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    Nov 23, 2009 9:06 PM GMT
    I am all for the herbs...THINK GREEN!!!!! Honestly, I know lots of people who use marijuana for medicinal purposes, from ADD to back pain. I don't encourage the heavy use of marijuana...but alcohol KILLS your liver, eventually...these are just my opinions...