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  • Mepark

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    Oct 25, 2009 8:49 PM GMT
    NY special election: this race could ultimatly shape the future of the Republican Party, especially turning it center or left when it comes to social issues.

    http://www.wwnytv.com/news/local/65759612.html
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    Oct 25, 2009 10:21 PM GMT
    Mepark saidNY special election: this race could ultimatly shape the future of the Republican Party, especially turning it center or left when it comes to social issues.

    http://www.wwnytv.com/news/local/65759612.html
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Didn't I read that Ms Palin came out for the independent candidate over the RNC choice candidate? I read that she considers the RNC candidate as a moderate Democrat and not conservative enough for where she thinks the RNC should be. If that's the case she must be trying to get her party totally in line with the far right. It appears to me that the far right is winning the battle for the RNC, I think their heading far right in line with the southern christian right, will take them further away from where the American public is and will ensure their obscurity. How I hope they stay in that 'christian right' lane they are in so we dems/progressives can keep moving things forward for the citizenry, rather than for big business interests.
  • Mepark

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    Oct 26, 2009 12:42 AM GMT
    What exactly has Sarah Palin said that makes her on the far right on these issues? That she has gay friends? That she supports civil unions? I'm not that happy to defend her, but let's be realistic she's is not apart of the southern bigoted right (a very FRINGE right). She's from Alaska for Christ's sake, a gay friendly state. The RNC has backed the gay marriage supporter, Michael Steele has said numerous times he wants to reach out to gay people, a senior Republican senator said back in July that he'd vote a gay SCOTUS nominee. Sorry, I see the opposite, the party is finally coming to the center on our issues. Some of us continue to lambast the party for their bigotry but we don't credit them or don't want to credit them when they moderate. (i.e. John McCain went all the way to the Ellen show, and that is a very very big deal in my opinion.)

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    Oct 26, 2009 2:18 AM GMT
    Mepark saidWhat exactly has Sarah Palin said that makes her on the far right on these issues? That she has gay friends? That she supports civil unions? I'm not that happy to defend her, but let's be realistic she's is not apart of the southern bigoted right (a very FRINGE right). She's from Alaska for Christ's sake, a gay friendly state. The RNC has backed the gay marriage supporter, Michael Steele has said numerous times he wants to reach out to gay people, a senior Republican senator said back in July that he'd vote a gay SCOTUS nominee. Sorry, I see the opposite, the party is finally coming to the center on our issues. Some of us continue to lambast the party for their bigotry but we don't credit them or don't want to credit them when they moderate. (i.e. John McCain went all the way to the Ellen show, and that is a very very big deal in my opinion.)

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well I got my info. from the far right net news NewsMax who stated that she is backing the independent candidate specificly because the RNC Candidate is moderate. I see the moderate republicans (which I wish would win out in the current struggle) losing to the far righters who seem hell bent on not moderating and being more adament about not giving any conservative ground to the moderates in the party. Hense the party of no with only one republican voting for health reform. Hell 30 + republicans even voted against the Franklin bill to force military contractors on foreign soil to allow suits over rape/abuse cases into the the US courts. That shows an extreme right majority influence to vote against such a thing. That vote alone is bound to come back to bite them when the public understands the import of what they did. Wait until immigration comes up and lets see how many republicans come out and take a moderate stand in favor of a plan like Bush and now Obama want to do. The far right seem to be gaining on the battle over moderating the RNC if you ask me.
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    Oct 26, 2009 3:22 AM GMT
    Well they are the "opposition" after all. I think 5 or 6 Republicans voting with democrats is more than we can ask for. Not everyone has to be on board on everything. There are political calculations to make, and if they think a certain vote will help or hurt them, trust me they'd be thinking twice about it. It was calculated that 9 Republicans voting for Sonio Sotamayor would help the party with hispanics, while not alienating their base, which still consists of human beings, and not just some "cooks" or "nuts" as we often refer to them.

    Obama is president today only because he stood in steadfast opposition to President Bush. Sarah Palin appears to be taking a few pointers from him.
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    Oct 26, 2009 3:43 AM GMT
    I think your right on it with why Obama got elected. but I sure don't think the RNC would be doing themselves any favors if they run Palin as their candidate in 2012. I think she'd be a desaster no matter who she takes lessons from.
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    Oct 26, 2009 12:43 PM GMT
    Blah, I remember when they said that about the NY-20 special election.

    Apparently, rather than become a party with ideas again, they just pin their image on an election, but only if they win. If they lose, they need to find another election to reinvent themselves with. If they win, then they are doing just fine and no need to change. Carry on status quo with your love of guns, freedom, eagles and shit and your hate of gays, women, and people darker than Jeff Sessions.
  • Webster666

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    Oct 28, 2009 9:02 AM GMT
    " She's from Alaska for Christ's sake, a gay friendly state."
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    Palin came out against civil unions.
    A court of law forced her to sign the legislation.

    She's a nut case.
    Didn't you learn anything from watching her bizarre rantings and inability to coherently answer the simplest questions ?

    She is the face of the Republican party.
    Thank goodness.
    As long as she's in the headlines, almost every Democrat in America has an automatic edge on their Republican opponents.

    BTW,
    Only about 20% of voters identify themselves as being Republican.
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    Oct 28, 2009 10:23 AM GMT
    While it may be true that only 20 % of the public identify themselves as republicans, and Miss Huffington may be right on this. The new Gallup Pole shows that 40 % identify as conservative, 38% as moderate and only 21% as liberal. And by the way the new Pole shows that in NY 23 Conservative Doug Hoffman is at 37.5%, Democrate Bill Owens is at 28.4% and Republican Dede Scozzafava is last at 13.5% among definate voters. As for Sarah Palin, you can say what you want about her, but she scares the hell out of the liberals! Otherwise they wouldn't spend so much time going after her !
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    Oct 28, 2009 10:27 AM GMT
    "As for Sarah Palin, you can say what you want about her, but she scares the hell out of the liberals!"

    You mean "tickles the hell out of the liberals".
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    Oct 28, 2009 10:44 AM GMT
    Webster-

    You are making a huge mistake if you think America prefers Pelosi to Palin. They hate both. Hate both.
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    Oct 28, 2009 10:47 AM GMT
    Obama's numbers are dropping. And they keep on dropping. 78% approval.

    Now 52% approval. What gives?
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    Oct 28, 2009 11:03 AM GMT
    McGay said"As for Sarah Palin, you can say what you want about her, but she scares the hell out of the liberals!"

    You mean "tickles the hell out of the liberals".


    No I ment scares! If they wern't so afraid of her they sould spend less time trying to margonalize her like they do everyone they fear !
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    Oct 28, 2009 11:06 AM GMT
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    McGay said"As for Sarah Palin, you can say what you want about her, but she scares the hell out of the liberals!"

    You mean "tickles the hell out of the liberals".


    No I ment scares! If they wern't so afraid of her they sould spend less time trying to margonalize her like they do everyone they fear !


    I don't think they're scared of her....they are scared of a world order where such an individual (by which I mean a complete moron) could potentially rise to the highest office in the land...

    There's supposed to be checks and balances to prevent this kind of thing !
  • HndsmKansan

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    Oct 28, 2009 12:27 PM GMT
    The Palin woman has no part in a "new GOP", she gives her brand to the same old right wing doctrine that was rejected (thank god) by the voters at the national level....... any new GOP must draw centrist voters thus must come across as reasoned, moderate (thus new)...
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    Oct 30, 2009 9:32 AM GMT
    If everyone's so scared, what's all that laughing I hear? Ah, it must be nervous laughter. Uh huh, yep, that's it.
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    Oct 30, 2009 10:26 AM GMT
    shybuffguy saidWhile it may be true that only 20 % of the public identify themselves as republicans, and Miss Huffington may be right on this. The new Gallup Pole shows that 40 % identify as conservative, 38% as moderate and only 21% as liberal. And by the way the new Pole shows that in NY 23 Conservative Doug Hoffman is at 37.5%, Democrate Bill Owens is at 28.4% and Republican Dede Scozzafava is last at 13.5% among definate voters. As for Sarah Palin, you can say what you want about her, but she scares the hell out of the liberals! Otherwise they wouldn't spend so much time going after her !


    The new "Pole" ? You mean like Wojciech Jaruzelski or Jarowslaw Kaczynski? Probably not Jaruzelski, he is more of an old Pole.
    Or perhaps, could you have talking about a "poll" ?
    Miss Huffington? Not Ms. Huffington?
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    Nov 01, 2009 11:58 AM GMT
    I am not right or left. I am the outsider looking at you all and lauging. Left or right, it really makes no matter to me. I think the Obama left is nuts. But the right is nuts. But the left is in power. Let them rule....lol. They will fuck it up for the rest of you. I am just sittig back and laughing. It wont effect me. But it will effect ya'll. Kids 30 years or younger. Who is gonna pay for all this? lol not me. Thank you Obama Make the kids pay...lol....
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    Nov 01, 2009 12:07 PM GMT
    Triggerman saidI am not right or left. I am the outsider looking at you all and lauging. Left or right, it really makes no matter to me. I think the Obama left is nuts. But the right is nuts. But the left is in power. Let them rule....lol. They will fuck it up for the rest of you. I am just sittig back and laughing. It wont effect me. But it will effect ya'll. Kids 30 years or younger. Who is gonna pay for all this? lol not me. Thank you Obama Make the kids pay...lol....


    If you're looking to criticize someone for spending money like water and saddling the burden on the younger generation, then clearly you must be talking about the Bush administration.... because Obama has been a penny-pincher compared to the trillions of dollars Bush so freely and frivolously threw away.
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    Nov 01, 2009 12:12 PM GMT
    As an independent and as a tax payer, I am all for everything Barack Obama is doing. I love it. I am 46.. I will not have to pay for anything. I prefer a responsible Government, but at my age, I will get all the best paid for by the 20yo kids. The hot kids will pay for everything.

    The hot young guys that would not sleep with me will now pay for my everything. My healthcare, my social security. YESSSSS....Obama, I gotta love ya
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    Nov 01, 2009 12:30 PM GMT
    I am 46. I have been a Conservative since 24. When I learned to think free of the Universtiy world.

    I am now an Obama fan. He is going to take care of me. OHHHH, yes. Hell, yes, he is giving me free health care? YESSS.

    My family company has 110 employees. We spend almost $500 thousand a year for employee health care. Will we take a hit to put them on the public dole? Hell, yeah. Obama, hit me wih %4 for not insuring them.

    And so will every company I know. Dump their health insurance on the public? Hell yeah. I can't wait.
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    Nov 01, 2009 12:37 PM GMT
    I love this kid Obama. He has made me money already. lol Whatever he keeps doing, he makes me money. Keep talking Public HealthCare, I make money......
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    Nov 01, 2009 12:45 PM GMT
    New GOP? no way, new name yes, but same old same old. Remember Palin is the one who helped make up Obama's death panel story saying she wants to protect her baby. This come from the women who said to reporters as she was resigning from office to "stop making things up". I say the same thing to Palin and the GOP, stop making things up.
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    Nov 01, 2009 12:46 PM GMT
    Triggerman said
    I am not right or left. I am the outsider looking at you all and lauging. Left or right, it really makes no matter to me. I think the Obama left is nuts. But the right is nuts. But the left is in power. Let them rule....lol. They will fuck it up for the rest of you. I am just sittig back and laughing. It wont effect me. But it will effect ya'll. Kids 30 years or younger. Who is gonna pay for all this? lol not me. Thank you Obama Make the kids pay...lol....


    If you're looking to criticize someone for spending money like water and saddling the burden on the younger generation, then clearly you must be talking about the Bush administration.... because Obama has been a penny-pincher compared to the trillions of dollars Bush so freely and frivolously threw away.


    HUh? Obama tripled, tripled, no I guess numbers mean nothing.

    Have at at it, kid. My generation is not paying for it. You are paying for it so you can decide what the number is....kid

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    Nov 01, 2009 12:52 PM GMT
    I am 46. I made my money. The taxes will be on the young. If you do not believe it or want to, fine. Attack me. it makes no difference. Attack me. Who cares?