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NY special election: this race could ultimatly shape the future of the Republican Party, especially turning it center or left when it comes to social issues.

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Mepark saidNY special election: this race could ultimatly shape the future of the Republican Party, especially turning it center or left when it comes to social issues.

http://www.wwnytv.com/news/local/65759612.html

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Didn't I read that Ms Palin came out for the independent candidate over the RNC choice candidate? I read that she considers the RNC candidate as a moderate Democrat and not conservative enough for where she thinks the RNC should be. If that's the case she must be trying to get her party totally in line with the far right. It appears to me that the far right is winning the battle for the RNC, I think their heading far right in line with the southern christian right, will take them further away from where the American public is and will ensure their obscurity. How I hope they stay in that 'christian right' lane they are in so we dems/progressives can keep moving things forward for the citizenry, rather than for big business interests.

What exactly has Sarah Palin said that makes her on the far right on these issues? That she has gay friends? That she supports civil unions? I'm not that happy to defend her, but let's be realistic she's is not apart of the southern bigoted right (a very FRINGE right). She's from Alaska for Christ's sake, a gay friendly state. The RNC has backed the gay marriage supporter, Michael Steele has said numerous times he wants to reach out to gay people, a senior Republican senator said back in July that he'd vote a gay SCOTUS nominee. Sorry, I see the opposite, the party is finally coming to the center on our issues. Some of us continue to lambast the party for their bigotry but we don't credit them or don't want to credit them when they moderate. (i.e. John McCain went all the way to the Ellen show, and that is a very very big deal in my opinion.)

Mepark saidWhat exactly has Sarah Palin said that makes her on the far right on these issues? That she has gay friends? That she supports civil unions? I'm not that happy to defend her, but let's be realistic she's is not apart of the southern bigoted right (a very FRINGE right). She's from Alaska for Christ's sake, a gay friendly state. The RNC has backed the gay marriage supporter, Michael Steele has said numerous times he wants to reach out to gay people, a senior Republican senator said back in July that he'd vote a gay SCOTUS nominee. Sorry, I see the opposite, the party is finally coming to the center on our issues. Some of us continue to lambast the party for their bigotry but we don't credit them or don't want to credit them when they moderate. (i.e. John McCain went all the way to the Ellen show, and that is a very very big deal in my opinion.)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well I got my info. from the far right net news NewsMax who stated that she is backing the independent candidate specificly because the RNC Candidate is moderate. I see the moderate republicans (which I wish would win out in the current struggle) losing to the far righters who seem hell bent on not moderating and being more adament about not giving any conservative ground to the moderates in the party. Hense the party of no with only one republican voting for health reform. Hell 30 + republicans even voted against the Franklin bill to force military contractors on foreign soil to allow suits over rape/abuse cases into the the US courts. That shows an extreme right majority influence to vote against such a thing. That vote alone is bound to come back to bite them when the public understands the import of what they did. Wait until immigration comes up and lets see how many republicans come out and take a moderate stand in favor of a plan like Bush and now Obama want to do. The far right seem to be gaining on the battle over moderating the RNC if you ask me.

Well they are the "opposition" after all. I think 5 or 6 Republicans voting with democrats is more than we can ask for. Not everyone has to be on board on everything. There are political calculations to make, and if they think a certain vote will help or hurt them, trust me they'd be thinking twice about it. It was calculated that 9 Republicans voting for Sonio Sotamayor would help the party with hispanics, while not alienating their base, which still consists of human beings, and not just some "cooks" or "nuts" as we often refer to them.

Obama is president today only because he stood in steadfast opposition to President Bush. Sarah Palin appears to be taking a few pointers from him.

I think your right on it with why Obama got elected. but I sure don't think the RNC would be doing themselves any favors if they run Palin as their candidate in 2012. I think she'd be a desaster no matter who she takes lessons from.

Blah, I remember when they said that about the NY-20 special election.

Apparently, rather than become a party with ideas again, they just pin their image on an election, but only if they win. If they lose, they need to find another election to reinvent themselves with. If they win, then they are doing just fine and no need to change. Carry on status quo with your love of guns, freedom, eagles and shit and your hate of gays, women, and people darker than Jeff Sessions.

" She's from Alaska for Christ's sake, a gay friendly state."
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Palin came out against civil unions.
A court of law forced her to sign the legislation.

She's a nut case.
Didn't you learn anything from watching her bizarre rantings and inability to coherently answer the simplest questions ?

She is the face of the Republican party.
Thank goodness.
As long as she's in the headlines, almost every Democrat in America has an automatic edge on their Republican opponents.

BTW,
Only about 20% of voters identify themselves as being Republican.

While it may be true that only 20 % of the public identify themselves as republicans, and Miss Huffington may be right on this. The new Gallup Pole shows that 40 % identify as conservative, 38% as moderate and only 21% as liberal. And by the way the new Pole shows that in NY 23 Conservative Doug Hoffman is at 37.5%, Democrate Bill Owens is at 28.4% and Republican Dede Scozzafava is last at 13.5% among definate voters. As for Sarah Palin, you can say what you want about her, but she scares the hell out of the liberals! Otherwise they wouldn't spend so much time going after her !

"As for Sarah Palin, you can say what you want about her, but she scares the hell out of the liberals!"

You mean "tickles the hell out of the liberals".

Webster-

You are making a huge mistake if you think America prefers Pelosi to Palin. They hate both. Hate both.

Obama's numbers are dropping. And they keep on dropping. 78% approval.

Now 52% approval. What gives?

McGay said"As for Sarah Palin, you can say what you want about her, but she scares the hell out of the liberals!"

You mean "tickles the hell out of the liberals".

No I ment scares! If they wern't so afraid of her they sould spend less time trying to margonalize her like they do everyone they fear !

shybuffguy said

McGay said"As for Sarah Palin, you can say what you want about her, but she scares the hell out of the liberals!"

You mean "tickles the hell out of the liberals".

No I ment scares! If they wern't so afraid of her they sould spend less time trying to margonalize her like they do everyone they fear !

I don't think they're scared of her....they are scared of a world order where such an individual (by which I mean a complete moron) could potentially rise to the highest office in the land...

There's supposed to be checks and balances to prevent this kind of thing !

The Palin woman has no part in a "new GOP", she gives her brand to the same old right wing doctrine that was rejected (thank god) by the voters at the national level....... any new GOP must draw centrist voters thus must come across as reasoned, moderate (thus new)...

If everyone's so scared, what's all that laughing I hear? Ah, it must be nervous laughter. Uh huh, yep, that's it.

shybuffguy saidWhile it may be true that only 20 % of the public identify themselves as republicans, and Miss Huffington may be right on this. The new Gallup Pole shows that 40 % identify as conservative, 38% as moderate and only 21% as liberal. And by the way the new Pole shows that in NY 23 Conservative Doug Hoffman is at 37.5%, Democrate Bill Owens is at 28.4% and Republican Dede Scozzafava is last at 13.5% among definate voters. As for Sarah Palin, you can say what you want about her, but she scares the hell out of the liberals! Otherwise they wouldn't spend so much time going after her !

The new "Pole" ? You mean like Wojciech Jaruzelski or Jarowslaw Kaczynski? Probably not Jaruzelski, he is more of an old Pole.
Or perhaps, could you have talking about a "poll" ?
Miss Huffington? Not Ms. Huffington?

I am not right or left. I am the outsider looking at you all and lauging. Left or right, it really makes no matter to me. I think the Obama left is nuts. But the right is nuts. But the left is in power. Let them rule....lol. They will fuck it up for the rest of you. I am just sittig back and laughing. It wont effect me. But it will effect ya'll. Kids 30 years or younger. Who is gonna pay for all this? lol not me. Thank you Obama Make the kids pay...lol....

Triggerman saidI am not right or left. I am the outsider looking at you all and lauging. Left or right, it really makes no matter to me. I think the Obama left is nuts. But the right is nuts. But the left is in power. Let them rule....lol. They will fuck it up for the rest of you. I am just sittig back and laughing. It wont effect me. But it will effect ya'll. Kids 30 years or younger. Who is gonna pay for all this? lol not me. Thank you Obama Make the kids pay...lol....

If you're looking to criticize someone for spending money like water and saddling the burden on the younger generation, then clearly you must be talking about the Bush administration.... because Obama has been a penny-pincher compared to the trillions of dollars Bush so freely and frivolously threw away.

As an independent and as a tax payer, I am all for everything Barack Obama is doing. I love it. I am 46.. I will not have to pay for anything. I prefer a responsible Government, but at my age, I will get all the best paid for by the 20yo kids. The hot kids will pay for everything.

The hot young guys that would not sleep with me will now pay for my everything. My healthcare, my social security. YESSSSS....Obama, I gotta love ya

I am 46. I have been a Conservative since 24. When I learned to think free of the Universtiy world.

I am now an Obama fan. He is going to take care of me. OHHHH, yes. Hell, yes, he is giving me free health care? YESSS.

My family company has 110 employees. We spend almost $500 thousand a year for employee health care. Will we take a hit to put them on the public dole? Hell, yeah. Obama, hit me wih %4 for not insuring them.

And so will every company I know. Dump their health insurance on the public? Hell yeah. I can't wait.

I love this kid Obama. He has made me money already. lol Whatever he keeps doing, he makes me money. Keep talking Public HealthCare, I make money......

New GOP? no way, new name yes, but same old same old. Remember Palin is the one who helped make up Obama's death panel story saying she wants to protect her baby. This come from the women who said to reporters as she was resigning from office to "stop making things up". I say the same thing to Palin and the GOP, stop making things up.

Triggerman said
I am not right or left. I am the outsider looking at you all and lauging. Left or right, it really makes no matter to me. I think the Obama left is nuts. But the right is nuts. But the left is in power. Let them rule....lol. They will fuck it up for the rest of you. I am just sittig back and laughing. It wont effect me. But it will effect ya'll. Kids 30 years or younger. Who is gonna pay for all this? lol not me. Thank you Obama Make the kids pay...lol....


If you're looking to criticize someone for spending money like water and saddling the burden on the younger generation, then clearly you must be talking about the Bush administration.... because Obama has been a penny-pincher compared to the trillions of dollars Bush so freely and frivolously threw away.


HUh? Obama tripled, tripled, no I guess numbers mean nothing.

Have at at it, kid. My generation is not paying for it. You are paying for it so you can decide what the number is....kid

I am 46. I made my money. The taxes will be on the young. If you do not believe it or want to, fine. Attack me. it makes no difference. Attack me. Who cares?

'I am 46. I am conservative. I am 46. I am 46."

-Triggerman

"My name is Elmer Fudd. I own a mansion and a yacht."

-Elmer Fudd

Like I said. I am 46. I made my money. Obama can't touch it. He can touch your money and if you are fine with that. Let him have at it. If it does noi bother you why should it bother me? OBAMA CARE FOR EVERYONE...that would save my company about $500 a ayear

McGay said'I am 46. I am conservative. I am 46. I am 46."

-Triggerman

"My name is Elmer Fudd. I own a mansion and a yacht."

-Elmer Fudd

ROFLMAO
That was bloody hysterical!
I needed that this morning. Thank you!
Cheers,
Keith

No, Mc Gay-

I started a business that employess 100pp +.

You have not.

You are just snarky.

Those that can't, bitch.

I'm gonna take a shot in the dark here and guess that your family business is anger managment.

Triggerman saidNo, Mc Gay-

I started a business that employess 100pp +.

You have not.

You are just snarky.

Those that can't, bitch.

Oh come on now Triggerman. Politics aside, even you have to admit the Elmer Fudd quote was funny.
Cheers,
Keith

McGay said
'I am 46. I am conservative. I am 46. I am 46."

-Triggerman

"My name is Elmer Fudd. I own a mansion and a yacht."

-Elmer Fudd


If anyone says that this is a a blog about ideas, read the above. Apparently, if you are 46 and conservative, you are Elmer Fudd.
Conservatives do not apply. Or think for yourself, do not even think about talking, cause if you are not part of the liberal mindset, they will be ridiculed as an Elmer fudd.

But kids, I say this and I have said it over and over, do not let these guys be the controllers of our minds.....

SPEAK UP!!!! Even if they call you Elmer Fudd. They did that to make fun of me. Just like straight people have done for many years. Do not let the Gay Majority silence your voice like they are trying to do mine. Speak up. The Gay majority can silence me, but not you. I speak with a different voice. ALL VOICES ARE IMPORTANT!!!
Straights used to try to drown us out. Now, some gays are using the same tactics.

Silly, Tigger. It's repetition that garners you the Elmer Fudd label.

Shit, if I only spoke English.....


Silly, Tigger. It's repetition that garners you the Elmer Fudd lab


Repitition? Name it. Show it.

How about this? Show an original idea?

"I am 46."

Now, unless you edit your posts, just at a glance, I see it in this thread 3 times (without scrolling), and that's just this thread. For example.

What's up with the "Pelosi House of Horrors" RNC ads on RealJock, like the one in this thread? Yes, I know they rotate. Still. Ick.

Also, Dede Scozzafava is suspending her campaign, so I guess the creepy conservatives still rule the GOP. So, it is not so new after all.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/01/nyregion/01upstate.html?_r=1&hp

And another thing that not only irritates me but shows a lack of respect that I never show anyone that debates me. I never do it. I respect those that debate me. It is small but it is huge. I never make fun of those I debate and I never disrespect them by purposely mispronouncing their name. And it is happenning constantly. It is Triggerman. Not Tiger, or whatever.

I debate you all honestly. I debate what you say, not who you are. I debate the words that you say. Do you somehow need an extra boost by mispelling Triggerman? Does that somehow give you a boost? My words are my words. My ideas are my ideas. If you can't beat them on their face, do you really need to intentionally mispell Triggerman as if that somehow makes your argument? It does not ,matter. I have rules that I live by and I have a code of honor. Call me whatever. I will call you by the name you give me.

Two more words for you:

Rodney Dangerfield

I love Rodney Dangerfield....he knew comedy
He had the lowest hanging balls yu ever saw.,

This is funny and how sad it is. I am getting guys attacking me, a life long liberal and a guy that has never signed on for any political group or mindset. But they feel a need to attack someone, and god forbid they actually question. Instead they atack me.

You make a lovely victim. Are you crying tears of blood?

WOW McGay....you almost had an original though not dictated by some political party. Does Nancy Pelosi sniff your ass?

Bring it........

You flatter yourself. You flatterer.

McDad could not have an original thought if you paid him. Well, paid him allott. He isa Pelosi Butt Boy paid and bought, if he had an originall idea not from Rham i WOULD BE SHOCKED.

Are Nancy and Rahm discussing cartoon characters these days? Pshaw! I had no idea.

McDad--I respect my opponents? Oh, well. There goes the neighborhood. As to the original post. Events have shown that the old GOP is what we've got. I am not enamored with either party, although I do like a lot about Obama. He inherited a huge mess and has taken an unpalatable course. It hasn't produced wonderful results, just prevented disaster. One doesn't get much credit for preventing disaster.

I'm not certain that Obama's prevented disaster as much as he's just delayed the inevitable. Everyone who's really interested should watch this video (it's multipart, watch them all).

Brooksley Born's ignored warnings to Greenspan

Some of the same players are in positions of power today, which may explain why things haven't really been corrected.

Some folks would have us believe that man lives by derivatives alone.

dfrw saidWhat's up with the "Pelosi House of Horrors" RNC ads on RealJock, like the one in this thread? Yes, I know they rotate. Still. Ick.

Yeah, that is strange. How dare one put an ad criticizing socialism on a site where 99% of the members are socialists (but of course they won't admit to it).

southbeach1500 said

dfrw saidWhat's up with the "Pelosi House of Horrors" RNC ads on RealJock, like the one in this thread? Yes, I know they rotate. Still. Ick.

Yeah, that is strange. How dare one put an ad criticizing socialism on a site where 99% of the members are socialists (but of course they won't admit to it).

Rule 2.4.3

No american may use the word "socialist" during the presidency of Barak Obama


This is largely because no-one seems to understand what it means.

It's a buzz word

Republicans are good at these "scary" terms
they don't know what the hell they mean but they sure sound scary ... OOOOH!

He's a "socialist" oooooooooo .....

Stop drinking the kool-aid, for pete's sake. Socialism, indeed.