Ok... first of all, please spare me the judgment. I know it's wrong, I know how that makes me look, but ignore that fact for a few minutes
We met a few days ago, had coffee for 20 mins and then we went to his place and had the best sex I've ever had. He's the kind of guy who can have anyone he wants and he sleeps with a different boy almost every day. So it's obvious that he's not about to get into e relationship or anything, not to talk about the fact that he's married with children. However, I really like him... he's smart, gorgeous, treats me like nobody before... he's the kind of guy I've always wanted. But if I see him again, there's a big chance that I will start falling in love with him... I'm not the kind who has one night stands, I'm not used to that way of life.
So do you guys think I should continue seeing him... or just let it be the only one night stand I've had with the best guy I've met and move on?
You are confusing love with sex. If you feel you cannot control your own emotions, and it sounds like you can't "there's a big chance you're falling in love", you should not continue to see him!
Treats you like nobody before?? He's just using you to get off. Sorry you have been treated so poorly in the past!! Find a guy you can fall in love with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
MikemikeMike saidYou are confusing love with sex. If you feel you cannot control your own emotions, and it sounds like you can't "there's a big chance you're falling in love", you should not continue to see him!
Treats you like nobody before?? He's just using you to get off. Sorry you have been treated so poorly in the past!! Find a guy you can fall in love with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
well, of course he's using me to get off, I'm not retarded. I was planning on doing the same with him, but I didn't expect him to be such a great guy. That's the thing... I am not sure I want a guy I can fall in love with because I'm not even sure I want a relationship. I don't know what I want, I just know two things - I like him a lot and he's married So either I keep seeing him for sex and nothing more or I stop. Yeah, I guess I know what's the right thing to do .... but it just feels wrong to say no to something that makes me feel so good.
If he sleeps with a different boy every day, then chances are it's not your decision. He's going to move on if he hasn't already.
Plus, if it makes you feel any better, he is probably great at first impressions and the hot fleeting encounter, but long term your needs aren't going to matter to a guy like that.
I am going to assume he is still with his wife and that she doesn't know he is sleeping around.
He is cheating on his wife. Now, I wont judge you for sleeping with him. Because, if he doesn't sleep with you he will sleep with someone else. That is not your problem. However, what happens if you fall in love and convince him to leave his wife for you?
He is a cheater. And cheaters are ass holes. He will cheat on you. If he leaves his wife for his fuck buddy, he will leave you for a new fuck buddy. In his life, you are just a minor player in a cast of thousands. If you feel like after 20 minutes of conversation and a fuck you might be in love, stay the fuck away. You are just going to get yourself more hurt than you will be when he stops returning your calls. Move on before it is too late.
I'm not going to say I haven't done the one night stand thing, because I have. I will say this though, if you want to see him again, go for it, if that's what he wants, but, maybe you should tell him when you do see him, or at least mention that you really aren't into just hooking up. See how he reacts, he might say, well, this is just sex for him, or who knows. I'm sure his story probably goes along the lines of having gotten married and had kids before realizing he was really into guys and that he couldn't possibly come out now. Not that I've had this kind of situation before, well not the great sex part anyway.
Moral judgement aside, I have never seen such a case of poor judgement so blatantly displayed in the annals of RJ. (lol, I just said "annals"). Your age explains a lot, however. At the age of 19 I would fall in love pretty easily too. I guess it took a few years for me to realize first impressions can be incredibly inaccurate.
You already know the plusses and minuses of the situation. You already know the outcome. There is nothing more that will come of this contact except sex, if your lucky.
I'm not sure I understand you. The guy is a great guy because he has a wife and children at home waiting for him while he fucks you and a different guy everyday? Since you went to his place, I imagine you had this great sex in the same house he shares with his wife and children.How is any of that great ? You don't know what you want ? Maybe you shouldn't think so much about yourself but try thinking about the pain you may be involved in causing his family or maybe that's not important to you. Just a thought, but how do you respect yourself ? On second thought, I don't want to know. If it wern't so sad for his wife and children it would be the perfect add for Ashleymadison.com.
MunchingZombie saidI am going to assume he is still with his wife and that she doesn't know he is sleeping around.
He is cheating on his wife. Now, I wont judge you for sleeping with him. Because, if he doesn't sleep with you he will sleep with someone else. That is not your problem. However, what happens if you fall in love and convince him to leave his wife for you?
He is a cheater. And cheaters are ass holes. He will cheat on you. If he leaves his wife for his fuck buddy, he will leave you for a new fuck buddy. In his life, you are just a minor player in a cast of thousands. If you feel like after 20 minutes of conversation and a fuck you might be in love, stay the fuck away. You are just going to get yourself more hurt than you will be when he stops returning your calls. Move on before it is too late.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I strongly urge you to listen to MunchingZombie, I think his advise is spot on, and I would add too, that a married man like this man you describe, who is routinely adding notches to his belt over the number of new guys he's fucked, shows signs of being very very insecure, and out to prove something to himself. Don't keep adding your name to his list because insecure people are dangerous and never satisfying in the long run, his insecurity that's pushing him to multiple partners will only hurt you in the long run. Stay away from him !!! (if you don't believe me that insecurities are the driving factor in guys like him, do some reading on the subject)
fulldelight saidI really like him... he's smart, gorgeous, treats me like nobody before... he's the kind of guy I've always wanted. But if I see him again, there's a big chance that I will start falling in love with him... I'm not the kind who has one night stands, I'm not used to that way of life.
What makes you think you are the only boy of all the boys he sleeps with every day that doesn't have the SAME exact sentiments the first time they sleep with him?
Stop wasting your time! He's never going to be yours in any other way besides sexual. Nevermind the fact that he's married; he's sleeping with a different boy everyday which means, he's closeted, deceitful, and not as great of a guy as you've become delusional to think.
Work on your own self confidence and I suggest you go learn and value your own worth.
Hey fulldelight, You falling for this person is exactly why 'He's the kind of guy who can have anyone he wants and he sleeps with a different boy almost every day.'
You're probably just one of many of those 'boys' that feel the same way as you about that guy. Now you know the secret of his success. It comes at your expense.
Kid, you sure are taking a big risk for playing the game. Just be sure you can deal with the consequences, whatever they are. If not, I'd get out while ya still can.
You're lucky he didn't give you the old "my wife/bf doesn't understand me" bs. At least you're not in doubt about the fact that this hookup has absolutely nowhere to go.
But when I was 19 sound advice didn't stop me from embarking on a totally doomed infatuation with months and months of pointless self-inflicted suffering. Some things you can only learn by experience.
I agree that the young age of the OP has a lot to do with his bad decisions. To the OP, your dream man most likely has found another boytoy so even if you wanna get together together again he may not.
He is a cheater. And cheaters are ass holes. He will cheat on you. If he leaves his wife for his fuck buddy, he will leave you for a new fuck buddy. In his life, you are just a minor player in a cast of thousands. If you feel like after 20 minutes of conversation and a fuck you might be in love, stay the fuck away. You are just going to get yourself more hurt than you will be when he stops returning your calls. Move on before it is too late.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I strongly urge you to listen to MunchingZombie, I think his advise is spot on, and I would add too, that a married man like this man you describe, who is routinely adding notches to his belt over the number of new guys he's fucked, shows signs of being very very insecure, and out to prove something to himself. Don't keep adding your name to his list because insecure people are dangerous and never satisfying in the long run, his insecurity that's pushing him to multiple partners will only hurt you in the long run. Stay away from him !!! (if you don't believe me that insecurities are the driving factor in guys like him, do some reading on the subject)
These two sum up everything important you need to know...PAY ATTENTION !!!
When your own statements are contradictory, that's a good sign that it's time for introspection.
You say that you're not the type of guy to have a one night stand -- which, as best as I can tell, is primarily because you haven't had one before. You also say you were planning to use him for sex and weren't expecting to find him to be such a great guy (minus that whole frequent cheating on his wife angle). Those two statements don't exactly mesh. The only way to use someone for sex without it being a one night stand is for it to be some sort of fuck buddy relationship. So either a) you were looking to establish a fuck buddy relationship (despite indications that you prefer an emotional involvement with the guys you sleep with), or else b) either you wanted a one night stand or to end up in a relationship with this guy -- one of your two earlier statements is incorrect.
From what you've posted here, it sounds like you're not the sort of guy who can have a fuck buddy relationship without getting emotionally attached to the guy. If that's true, then you have to weigh the inevitable pain (when you get attached to him and he's not reciprocating, as the odds of him reciprocating in the way that you want are essentially zero, with his track record) and the likely pain to others (his wife and kids) against the fun of the sex in the short term. Whether the fun outweighs the pain is a decision you're going to have to come to yourself.
There's nothing inherently immoral about casual sex, as long as no one is pretending that it's something that it's not. There's also nothing wrong with a nonmonogamous relationship if everyone's eyes are open going in. That being said, I don't agree with MunchingZombie on your lack of blame in this situation. When someone is in a relationship with a reasonable expectation of monogamy and you know about, you are not entirely blameless if you have an affair with one of the members without first getting some sort of believable statement that it's an open relationship and what the groundrules for that are...and that statement needs to pass the laugh test. Yes, the person doing the cheating is committing the greater wrong, but that doesn't give you a free pass. To invoke an analogy, robbery is a greater crime than receiving stolen goods, but the latter is still a crime too.
Wuz good lil man...I hope you are reading what everyone is saying. It's easy to see it as "love"....seeing how you might have never truly been in love, so believe me when I say thats not it man it's lust. Not trying to down you or anything like that but ask yourself....will "love" allow you to fuck off on someone you care about....and if he's doing this to his wife what make you think he wouldn't do it to you if you guys were be together. There is a lot to think about. So please try and look pass the good looks and all the charm, and ask yourself "could I take the pain of begin second, being called whenever he's able to see me?" I don't think love is or would do that man. Take care of yourself bruh...hopefully you'll do the right thing.
How do you know he is sleeping with a different guy every night? (Bad assumption).
And since when does being a "hot guy" automatically mean not wanting or needing a relationship? (bad assumption).
And why do you say you will automatically fall in love and get burned? (bad assumption).
Ummmm....getting to know someone is a process. There is no written timeline.
Enjoy his company. If it turnes out it was only for hot sex, so be it. That's not love. But if there is any chance for you and him to connect on a broader level, it won't happen with bad assumptions.
Just fuck him until you're no longer able. Be the cake he has and eats too. Let him frost you with many strokes and flavors. After all, it appears his wife is just the cake he keeps, frozen until thawed for company. He's probably not eating her. Or maybe he is. Just fuck him until you're no longer able. Until you're the cake he has and no longer tastes. As you go stale on the table of his delight, enraptured as you are by the chef's caress.
just to add a perspective from another married and dangerous guy. i am happily married with two wonderful kids. i was 100% hetero until just after college, when i ended up hooking with my best friend from college, and we had a relationship for a year. i was proud of my relationship, i came out, but the guy was promiscuous and it didn't last. i met a few other guys, but it never worked out, and i went back to dating guys and women. eventually i met my wife to be, was completely honest about my sexual activity, she accepted me for what i am/was, we were married (my "best buddy" and first guy love came to the wedding). she is definitely the right life partner for me, and my life is almost complete...except for the fact i have a high sex drive, and am definitely very attracted to men. i have had a series of long term "monog" sexual friendship relationships with guys over the course of my marriage, which seem to be the best way to manage the situation. my wife is generally aware of my external activity, although i never mix the two.
long way of saying, this can sometimes be more complicated than it seems at first glance. that said, this particular married guy seems like a narcissistic, self-centered guy...but i guess guys in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
I would never touch anyone that was married, because I absolutely know how I would feel if my man was cheating on me while I was taking care of our children.
If you are the kind of person that finds ths setup acceptable, then you have already made up your mind.
I don't know. I guess I just wish that the married men thought more about their own actions.
... and when you say " treats me like nobody [sic] before ... " foretells that you may already have constructed feelings for the physical rather than the immaterial, being that you've directly related such to sex.
over_and_over saidTrust the voice of experience young one... your [sic] traveling down a hard road that is rough to rebound from. No one wins... *no one*.
Actually, have revised my thoughts...play this guy for all he's worth...suck him dry...BUT...DO NOT GET EMOTIONALLY INVOLVED...if you do end up getting hurt, it will be an invaluable lesson for you...you are young and have a lot to learn...this is as good a place as any to start.
MunchingZombie saidI am going to assume he is still with his wife and that she doesn't know he is sleeping around.
He is cheating on his wife. Now, I wont judge you for sleeping with him. Because, if he doesn't sleep with you he will sleep with someone else. That is not your problem. However, what happens if you fall in love and convince him to leave his wife for you?
He is a cheater. And cheaters are ass holes. He will cheat on you. If he leaves his wife for his fuck buddy, he will leave you for a new fuck buddy. In his life, you are just a minor player in a cast of thousands. If you feel like after 20 minutes of conversation and a fuck you might be in love, stay the fuck away. You are just going to get yourself more hurt than you will be when he stops returning your calls. Move on before it is too late.
MunchingZombie, Great Advice, spot on, OP, you should listen to him.
So you have a thing for married guys huh! Cool, not that I'm judging! How old is this guy? and what kind of a guy is he - that he has to chase/sleep around on his wife with a 19 yr old? Well, might as well enjoy it while it lasts, ask him to buy a lot of gifts and stuff, do it in your own playboy style.
So this dude has slept with how many boy toys? To think that his sleeping around could be spreading STDs from you to the next guy he sleeps with along with passing it to his wife. Eventually it'll catch up with him because if she catches an STD, and they're supposedly both in a monogomous relationship with one another, then she'll catch on to what he's doing. Or perhaps she knows and doesn't give a f#&^....and let's him do it to satisfy his own pleasure. Regardless, you need to separate yourself from this reckless activity before someone gets hurt in the process.
Hey Aren't you the one who did a post "feeling unattractive when there's noone on my tail"? Was it on the 24th you posted it? and you did this post "married but gorgeous" on the 26th?
I think I even suggested to Hit the gym and start focuing on yourself. Looks like my advice didn't go through your head or maybe it did but it didn't stay in there for very long?
Not only me, alot of RJ gave you good advice but what's the use of it if you are not going to follow them?
This post might be just another one of your attention seeking post, just like you wanted some delusional attention from that guy.
I just feel really unsafe for you, not just with the whole "sleep with one boy a night" part which can lead to alot of STDs but also about your own physical safety. Alot of potential serial killers are "nice", remmember Ted Bundy?
fulldelightSo do you guys think I should continue seeing him... or just let it be the only one night stand I've had with the best guy I've met and move on?
The best guy you've ever met?
1. He's married with children and being unfaithful to his wife. 2. He sleeps with a different guy every night. 3. He has no intention on ever settling down with one person. He's engaging in high risk behavior and probably putting his wife at risk. Worst case scenario is that both his wife and children will have to suffer the consequences of his shameless self indulgence.
He seems like a great guy because guys like that are con artists, manipulators, and charmers who put on a great act..
I hope for your own sake, you pull the plug on this one. He can't add anything to your life except a bunch of drama. You won't win him, and you can't change him (though I think you know that). So why get into it any deeper.
You know, this sounds eerily like a situation I got into when I was younger. I met a guy, big and buff, extremely nice, financially stable- Who gave it to me better than I had ever had it before. It was the first time I really felt completely satisfied in sex.
Naturally, I began to fall in love with him.
Unfortunately, he too was married and had a daughter, though he had recently come out to her and separated, and really was just hitting me on a rebound. We had wonderful sex a few times, but then he started blowing me off. Apparently I just didn't meet his standards for a relationship.... too young, didn't have a career lined up, too wild, etc.
It broke my heart.
It is so easy to fall in love when you are young and finally find a real man that can rock your world. But it is so easy for some of those men to use you for your youth and take advantage of your affection.
Watch out. A broken heart takes time to mend. Best to save your heart for someone who can reciprocate the feelings, not just give good sex. If you can't have sex with him and not be attached, let go and move on.
Hello again The reason I posted this was not because I didn't know what to do. Of course I know what's right, but I wanted to see what you have to say. And you told me exactly what I expected, so thank you.
The next day the guy asked me out on a date, we went out and he said he had a great time and wants me to "stick around him for a while". Then I told him that fucking him once was enough for me to know that it's wrong and that it was about time he realized it too. I'm never gonna see him again and that is not something I regret.
I was absolutely honest with you and blunt because I don't really care if you guys are gonna think I am just another irresponsible 19yo boytoy, which you probably do think. Some of you said they would never even consider dating a married man. Well, let me tell you something - a few days ago I would never even consider dating a guy who's almost 40, I would never consider fucking a man I've known for about an hour and I would never consider talking about it on a gay fitness forum. But sometimes things just happen and I don't think it was bad judgment, it was just sex. He was hot, treated me with respect and I was horny - end of story.
Once again - thanks for the posts and I hope you keep in mind that things aren't always as black and white as they seem.
fulldelight saidHello again The reason I posted this was not because I didn't know what to do. Of course I know what's right, but I wanted to see what you have to say. And you told me exactly what I expected, so thank you.
The next day the guy asked me out on a date, we went out and he said he had a great time and wants me to "stick around him for a while". Then I told him that fucking him once was enough for me to know that it's wrong and that it was about time he realized it too. I'm never gonna see him again and that is not something I regret.
I was absolutely honest with you and blunt because I don't really care if you guys are gonna think I am just another irresponsible 19yo boytoy, which you probably do think. Some of you said they would never even consider dating a married man. Well, let me tell you something - a few days ago I would never even consider dating a guy who's almost 40, I would never consider fucking a man I've known for about an hour and I would never consider talking about it on a gay fitness forum. But sometimes things just happen and I don't think it was bad judgment, it was just sex. He was hot, treated me with respect and I was horny - end of story.
Once again - thanks for the posts and I hope you keep in mind that things aren't always as black and white as they seem.
I'm glad you can feel good about yourself. Just remember, when children are involved things are always as black and white as they seem . You still don't seem to care about them or feel any remorse . Yes you are a 19 yr old boytoy.
My advice is to work on your self-esteem and start loving yourself more. Ask yourself the tough questions, as to why your attachments are continuously turning out to be men that you know you can never truly have? That in some way will always be detached from you? Can it be that you truly have intimacy issues that you haven't dealt with. Are you perhaps afraid that you may make the wrong choice and thus its easier to string people along and be strung along by others without true commitment?
I tell you this because I've been there, falling for men I knew I could never have. Straight guys, curious guys who could never bring themselves to experiment, etc.
and if I had cared more about myself, if I had truly felt that I was worthed, had considered that I had just as much to give as I had room to receive, I never would've put myself in that situation.
in the end you're going to do what you're going to do anyway. None of us can change that. But ask yourself why? Why him? Why a married guy? Why a married guy who sleeps around non stop? What about the situation does it for you? What is it that your mind is telling you, that allows you to feel so grateful that he is willing to have sex with you? What thrill and aspect of it makes you feel like you're cheating the system?
Truly ask yourself these questions and let the healing process begin. Otherwise you are going to put yourself in many hurtful situations in your lifetime.
Halfstep, are you talking to me or to yourself? ;) I have more than enough respect for myself. Just because I have fallen for a married guys once, does not mean it is a pattern or anything. I have always said that bisexuals, confused and guys who in any way pretend to be straight, should just stay away from me. And I usually stay away from them. This does not have anything to do with intimacy issues... it's simply attraction. And as it turns out it was mutual, since he won't stop calling me the whole day... so pathetic.
leothelion saidI just feel really unsafe for you, not just with the whole "sleep with one boy a night" part which can lead to alot of STDs but also about your own physical safety. Alot of potential serial killers are "nice", remmember Ted Bundy?
I had a stalker for a year and a half, the freak show made my life a living hell complete with home break ins, police reports, restraining orders, court hearings, attorneys (10k in fees) and endless harassment for over a year.
There are freaks out there... be careful for the attention you seek, you just might get it.... and then some.
leothelion saidI just feel really unsafe for you, not just with the whole "sleep with one boy a night" part which can lead to alot of STDs but also about your own physical safety. Alot of potential serial killers are "nice", remmember Ted Bundy?
I had a stalker for a year and a half, the freak show made my life a living hell complete with home break ins, police reports, restraining orders, court hearings, attorneys (10k in fees) and endless harassment for over a year.
There are freaks out there... be careful for the attention you seek, you just might get it.... and then some.
I've actually been through something similar, but it was a long time ago... what did I know back then. Not that I know everything now, but just because the guy is married does not mean he's a psycho killer ;)
fulldelight saidHalfstep, are you talking to me or to yourself? ;) I have more than enough respect for myself. Just because I have fallen for a married guys once, does not mean it is a pattern or anything. I have always said that bisexuals, confused and guys who in any way pretend to be straight, should just stay away from me. And I usually stay away from them. This does not have anything to do with intimacy issues... it's simply attraction. And as it turns out it was mutual, since he won't stop calling me the whole day... so pathetic.
Definitely not trying to offend. I get what you mean. But 17 through 20 really are those vague years. Maybe my advice will make more sense a few years from now or maybe not.
RESIZED TEXT GOES HEREfulldelight, you are waaaaaaay too self absorbed. I am certain you will end up being hurt in this situation. Hopefully you will learn from the pain you invariably end up feeling - clearly you are not conscious of your responsiblity in this situation, or the pain you will cause his wife and children. COLORED TEXT GOES HERE