Bashed for being gay and fighting back!

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    Oct 28, 2009 7:28 PM GMT
    Heya guys

    the other night at the age 0f 38 i was confronted by three drunk teenagers who saw me come out of a gay pub/bar.......they got in my face....i warned them i had Judo training....they kept getting in my face, i gave them two more warnings..then i copped 1 hit to the head, cheek and jaw.....and i did something i am not proud off....

    .......upper cut with my fist the central teenager..breaking his jaw...and roundhoused the other two with my ankle.....breaking thier jaws.

    the police i could see off in the distance had started running before i took my blows.....the police could see they had knives in thier pockets.....

    [b]now the nagging question............why do i feel so bad for hurting these guys? I never learned judo to so severley hurt people! [/b]icon_neutral.gif

    has anyone felt this way before????

    did i do the right thing.....i kinda think i did as I could have been knifed

    when i got to the club i was going to and word got around what I did i didnt have to buy any drinks for myself and got a lot of congratulations....which kinda made me feel more remorseful.

    i didnt come out unscathed turned out i had a concussion and a fractured cheek......

    opinions???????

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    Oct 28, 2009 7:33 PM GMT
    Don't even feel sorry. They deserve to be in jail. You could be dead, and you have to do whatever you can in a situation like that to keep yourself alive. I hope that the hate crimes bill is signed and that they are tried under the new laws. They should have never harassed you and they definitely shouldn't have laid their hands on you. You are completely in the right.
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    Oct 28, 2009 7:36 PM GMT
    unfortunately underage aboriginals ( indigenous) ...and i am not being racist, get a smack on the wrist.........
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    Oct 28, 2009 7:41 PM GMT
    Yeah, I missed that you were from Australia.

    So if they normally get away with it, I think that it is great that you gave them more than a slap on the wrist.
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    Oct 28, 2009 7:49 PM GMT
    3 against 1, I don't think you should feel bad.
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    Oct 28, 2009 8:03 PM GMT
    You absolutely did the right thing.

    I have had quite a bit of defense training, including the use of defensive weapons. You don't want to be in a knife fight. It's not if you get cut, it's how bad. And unless you're very, very, very good, it's going to be pretty bad. Nobody "wins" one except in West Side Story.

    Kudos to the police for being there extremely quickly.
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    Oct 28, 2009 8:39 PM GMT
    The fact that you feel remorse just displays how big your heart is. That you will only result to defending yourself because you life was at risk.

    The fact that you are a diffrent race does not make you a bigot. Bashers comes in all shapes and colors these idiots just happen to be a diffrent race.

    I'm sure if they were white you would have reacted the same. Glad no one was killed.

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    Oct 28, 2009 8:42 PM GMT
    Craigjd saidHeya guys

    the other night at the age 0f 38 i was confronted by three drunk teenagers who saw me come out of a gay pub/bar.......they got in my face....i warned them i had Judo training....they kept getting in my face, i gave them two more warnings..then i copped 1 hit to the head, cheek and jaw.....and i did something i am not proud off....

    .......upper cut with my fist the central teenager..breaking his jaw...and roundhoused the other two with my ankle.....breaking thier jaws.

    the police i could see off in the distance had started running before i took my blows.....the police could see they had knives in thier pockets.....

    [b]now the nagging question............why do i feel so bad for hurting these guys? I never learned judo to so severley hurt people! [/b]icon_neutral.gif

    has anyone felt this way before????

    did i do the right thing.....i kinda think i did as I could have been knifed

    when i got to the club i was going to and word got around what I did i didnt have to buy any drinks for myself and got a lot of congratulations....which kinda made me feel more remorseful.

    i didnt come out unscathed turned out i had a concussion and a fractured cheek......

    opinions???????



    Good for you. I'm proud of you. This will perhaps make them think twice about doing so ever again

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    Oct 28, 2009 8:45 PM GMT
    Was I the only one that 'LMAO' while reading this?
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    Congrats on defending yourself though. You did nothing wrong- you not only saved yourself, but also others that could have been potential victims that might have not been as well prepared.
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    Oct 28, 2009 8:47 PM GMT
    i'm glad you defended yourself. you definitely could have been knifed and any number of things may have happened to you from knife wounds: arterial cuts, pneumothorax/punctured lungs, lacerated liver, etc etc

    don't feel bad, you stood up for yourself in more ways than one. Proud of you! icon_biggrin.gif *hugs*
  • EricLA

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    Oct 28, 2009 8:48 PM GMT
    This just demonstrates how much better you are than they are. You have remorse and empathy for others. But, they were threatening and outnumbered you, three-to-one. You gave them several warnings. You probably were not aware of the proximity of the police when you struck the first guy, but even so, you were defending yourself. What if one of them had pulled a knife while you were waiting for the police to get there? And whether you knew of the knives before or after is of no matter. When three people are threatening you, I think it's safe to assume they might be armed.

    You showed great restraint and struck only after ample warning out of self-defense. You did the right thing.

    And, hopefully, as these guys mend from their wounds and eat through straws, that they think twice before victimizing someone else.
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    Oct 28, 2009 8:48 PM GMT
    Well, you hurt another human being and remorse is natural.

    You need to place more consideration on the damage they may have done to you had you not been so well trained.

    Try to balance both outcomes and understand you did the right thing in defending yourself and potentially protecting someone else that could have been a victim of these punks that night.

    Hopefully, you have given them a life lesson which will deter another attack on an innocent person.
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    Oct 28, 2009 8:49 PM GMT
    good job bro, i dint want to read another sad story of another gay being beaten up.
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    Oct 28, 2009 8:55 PM GMT
    Don't feel bad -- feel great! They got what they deserved, and you defended yourself well. But you don't tell us the rest of the story.

    Did the police arrest them? Or did they get away? Will you be testifying against them?

    Hopefully the court will make an example of them, and keep their kind off the streets. You did a service to yourself, to the community overall, and to the gay community in particular. I would have bought you a drink myself, had I been at the club afterwards.
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    Oct 28, 2009 9:00 PM GMT
    Here's something to consider:

    In defending yourself and causing those guys bodily injury, it's very possible that you may have saved lives in the future! There's a much lower chance that they will try that again; as a result some innocent Gay person just might be safer thanks to your courage!
    I'll bet that those guys will think twice about trying to mug somebody ever again for fear that the next time they might get killed!

    Good on ya, mate!
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    Oct 28, 2009 9:06 PM GMT
    I am sorry to doubt someone's story, but something just dosn't add up here. I've trained in judo and judo is almost completely grappling training. Judo teaches you how to: throw, joint-lock, choke, and hold someone down.There is not much striking/kicking training in Judo. The OP would need other training besides Judo to been able to carry-out the strikes he discribed.

    This is judo:
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    Oct 28, 2009 9:07 PM GMT
    I was jumped by two drunk gay bashers in San Francisco one night when I was walking home from the gym.
    I was wearing sweats, a hoody and a backpack. I guess they thought I was some Castro street hustler. They were yelling all sorts of obscenities at me but I seriously didn't realize they were talking to me. In my mind, no one has any reason to talk to *me* like that. I was 33, work a professional 9-5 job and live in a nice neighborhood... I use hand sanitizer and wipe off my dogs paws after walks... "me a street hustler?"

    I haven't encountered behavior like that since high school and I literally thought they were fighting with each other. I've lived in rough neighborhoods, I've traveled to third world countries and I've always found as long as I mind my own business I'm fine. I was oblivious to what was happening.

    I realized they were talking to me after I absently walked right past them and was delivered a mind rattling blow to the back of my head. By the time the situation was clear they were trying to choke and restrain me with my backpack.

    I elbowed the one choking me, slipped out of my backpack, back kicked one guy and felt his ribs give, I turned jabbed the other guy with my left and then round house kicked him in the side of the head knocking him into the parked cars.

    They both jumped up and ran.
    The funny thing is when I was looking at the second guy, I held back when I hit him. I didn't want to hurt him, I wanted him to just go away. My jabs were like warnings that he didn't heed.

    When I kicked him in the side of the head I remember grimacing because I was so conflicted about hurting him. What I realized afterward was that I wasn't afraid of them, I was sad. I was so sad that people can be so mean and that I had to resort to hurting someone to prove a point. I didn't like it, even if they did deserve all that and more.

    I had multiple lacerations to my head and scalp, minor bruising but none to my face. I was so shaken that I didn't tell my boyfriend. I didn't want to tell him till I was calm and focused and no longer upset because I knew it would upset him if he saw me not able to deal with it. It took me three weeks to be ok with what happened.

    I've been in bar fights and street fights before but for some reason this time was very different... it was full of hate and as much as they deserved it, I didn't enjoy it.

    No matter the ending, hate crimes are filled with just that, *hate*, and there is no way to dress them up to be pretty.

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    Oct 28, 2009 9:43 PM GMT
    phemt saidI am sorry to doubt someone's story, but something just dosn't add up here. I've trained in judo and judo is almost completely grappling training. Judo teaches you how to: throw, joint-lock, choke, and hold someone down.There is not much striking/kicking training in Judo. The OP would need other training besides Judo to been able to carry-out the strikes he discribed.

    This is judo:
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    your right i didnt just use judo I was trained to box as a kid as well......it all came into play..............my dad was irish, i was taught to fight quick and nasty..though the judo calmed that a bit with discipline

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    Oct 28, 2009 9:46 PM GMT
    OP: sorry for casting doubt. I am glad you were able to defend yourself. I also don't think you should feel bad at all doing what you did.
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    Oct 28, 2009 9:47 PM GMT
    over_and_over saidI was jumped by two drunk gay bashers in San Francisco one night when I was walking home from the gym.
    I was wearing sweats, a hoody and a backpack. I guess they thought I was some Castro street hustler. They were yelling all sorts of obscenities at me but I seriously didn't realize they were talking to me. In my mind, no one has any reason to talk to *me* like that. I was 33, work a professional 9-5 job and live in a nice neighborhood... I use hand sanitizer and wipe off my dogs paws after walks... "me a street hustler?"

    I haven't encountered behavior like that since high school and I literally thought they were fighting with each other. I've lived in rough neighborhoods, I've traveled to third world countries and I've always found as long as I mind my own business I'm fine. I was oblivious to what was happening.

    I realized they were talking to me after I absently walked right past them and was delivered a mind rattling blow to the back of my head. By the time the situation was clear they were trying to choke and restrain me with my backpack.

    I elbowed the one choking me, slipped out of my backpack, back kicked one guy and felt his ribs give, I turned jabbed the other guy with my left and then round house kicked him in the side of the head knocking him into the parked cars.

    They both jumped up and ran.
    The funny thing is when I was looking at the second guy, I held back when I hit him. I didn't want to hurt him, I wanted him to just go away. My jabs were like warnings that he didn't heed.

    When I kicked him in the side of the head I remember grimacing because I was so conflicted about hurting him. What I realized afterward was that I wasn't afraid of them, I was sad. I was so sad that people can be so mean and that I had to resort to hurting someone to prove a point. I didn't like it, even if they did deserve all that and more.

    I had multiple lacerations to my head and scalp, minor bruising but none to my face. I was so shaken that I didn't tell my boyfriend. I didn't want to tell him till I was calm and focused and no longer upset because I knew it would upset him if he saw me not able to deal with it. It took me three weeks to be ok with what happened.

    I've been in bar fights and street fights before but for some reason this time was very different... it was full of hate and as much as they deserved it, I didn't enjoy it.

    No matter the ending, hate crimes are filled with just that, *hate*, and there is no way to dress them up to be pretty.



    Good for you guy. Sorry you held back though. You should have bust those bitches good
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    Oct 28, 2009 9:55 PM GMT
    Striking techniques are called atemi waza in Judo.
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    Oct 28, 2009 10:04 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidStriking techniques are called atemi waza in Judo.


    My sensei sometimes mixed in some basic self-defense and striking training. The punching and kicking were very basic though. I don't recall ever learning anything like a round house kick during judo practice. I was one belt away from brown belt when I stopped training. Maybe others training at higher levels or at other dojos do more advanced kicking, but I didn't.
    The OP has more training outside of Judo so I would predict his effective roundhouse was probably learned outside of judo.
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    Oct 28, 2009 10:06 PM GMT
    Cool. There are many people who wouldn't have been able to defend themselves when confronted like that. I say they got what they deserved and perhaps it will teach them to think twice before fucking with someone else.
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    Oct 28, 2009 10:20 PM GMT
    good for you man...I think if there were more stories like this of us fighting back and beating the shit outta these guys there would be less confrontations....I really think "they" think because we are gay that its ok and you just proved its not. Fuck them! they got what they deserved.